whats the difference between everyone needin to wear a flag pin and nazi's wearin swastica armbands?

just wondering?

Nationalism is Nationalism.

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Stupid people need visual comforters to help them forget their pin was made in China.

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Seriously though - no difference. If you don't wear it, you're labeled unpatriotic or worse.

I have friends that bombed the Nazis. Some died to end fascism. Fascism says, 'wear this symbol or you are not patriotic'.
Oh, by the way fuck Republicans.:dem:

Except, Double fuck republicans....is the op doing a little polling for the little fascists????

I happen to agree, too bad so many deomcrats fell into their trap....

And I venture to say some of these same people would have been proud to wear that armband if they were living in 1939 Germany. There is a certain personality type that is attracted to nationalism and it is rather frightening.

Could be a good bumper sticker.

I think Americans attach FAR too much importance to displays of patriotism - much like they attach too much importance to public piety.

"Patriotism - the last refuge of scoundrels"

I don't need someone to wear a fucking tag on their lapel to let me know that they are residents of the United States, okay?

Why don't they just get a fucking atomic bomb stapled to their forehead, or tattoo the american flag on their peckers.

I can't stand this jingoistic shit

or engage in any other kind of jingoistic display of pseudo-patriotism.

Everything.

Nazis were Nazis.

Americans are Americans.

There is all the difference in the world.

Period. End of discussion. If you can't tell the difference, then you are a complete fool.

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Go show your patriotism in Cheney's oil war.

comparing Americans to Nazi's. What the OP was saying was: why does someone have to wear a flag pin to prove they are patriotic? I heard Sam Seder say this yesterday, and it pretty much says it all: "They are questioning his patriotism? The guy is running for President, how patriotic can you get?

You are missing the point here friend. Bush and all his crony's wear their little pins yet they are the ones with the most disdain for that document that Bush called "just a piece of paper. You know.. The Constitution.

Welcome to DU...

..I have mastered. Yet, I think the actual point is that the OP was in fact comparing the American flag to a Swastika in an offhanded and inflammatory insinuation. It is like a certain type of whistle that is intended to make dogs bark on cue. Apparently it works.

They weren't all Hitler. They wanted to show their dedication to their country. They were afraid of foreign invasions. They were proud to be Germans. People are, after all, people. They weren't all homicidal maniacs. We all have that capacity for affiliation.

There certainly are Americans who are as bad as those Nazis were. History and social experiments have shown that Americans can commit atrocities. Just hope they don't get the power. Are you naive -- or pretending to be?

--IMM

And the best person to do it is the person coming up with the idea in the first place. It saves everyone a lot of time.

interesting post though. well done.

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um, you really don't know much about america or americans, do you?

What a conundrum that is!

What if I put an american flag lapel pin on a german? What is that? What if osama bin laden wore an american flag pin and a nazi armband? What if all the folks wearing american flag lapel pins were actually secretly working with bin laden to destroy america? Should we wear nazi armbands in protest? What if I burnt up an american flag using a flaming nazi armband to light it on fire? Should I have to wear two american flag lapel pins, one on each ear? If I just wear one american flag lapel pin on my left ear, what does that mean?

I need to know the answers as I am a complete fool and you are a very wise person.

All of those things are fascist drag. Go ahead and flaunt it, baby.

Point is, when someone uses inflammatory language to make a political point, he or she (and his or her supporters) shouldn't squeal when someone uses inflammatory language to criticize it.

And the flag pin on your left ear means you aren't gay. I do know some things.

Did you know there is a "smilies lookup table" right above the "Subject" space when you post? There is a really nice :sarcasm: smiley that is good to be used if you are fairly new and your personal snark style is unknown. It can help the sarcastically impaired and those who get tired of nasty people posting here.

Trolls are rampant. :hi:

I know what the flag should stand for and that's why I fly it in front of my house. But that's not the same as saying I "need" to fly it or that anyone should be required to do so (or wear a pin).

But I also know what the swastika stood for and can see the difference between the two.

I've never been one for jewelry, lapels, etc.-- but the pins you've made are absolutely something I'd wear. Those are great! Very, *very* nice job!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'd love to see one of those caught on camera!

about 40 or 50 of them to John Conyers, for him to hand to whoever he thought was on our side and would wear it.

As I was nearing completion of my little idea, he did one of his disappointing turnarounds and I was so pissed off and upset, I set the project aside. I don't recall now what the disappointment was... there have been so many and I don't keep track anymore.

I just am not inspired by any of our congress members enough anymore to resurrect the project.

Seemed like a good idea at the time. I have had the wind and spirit knocked out of me. I don't think congress gives a fuck about we the people.

until you run out, anyway. Maybe then one ONE of them will "get it".

And for the same reason. It is just the way conservatives think think.

that a campaign say that wearing a flag pin is the same as wearing a Swastika. The whole Hitler/Nazi card has been played out. We need to stop comparing ourselves to shitty dictatorships/fascists and whatnot. Once we get the Executive, the Senate and the House it's time to start setting an example by instead of saying "well, we're better than the Nazi's".

The Swastika was not. I question anyone who overtly refuses NOT to wear a flag pin and anyone who overtly refuses to wear one. In other words, if someone cannot stand to NOT wear one I equate that with someone who cannot stand to wear one. Different sides of the same coin.

And yes,only 15 pieces of flair are required, but, we expect our leaders to want to do more....to show their exuberance for jingoism.

by wearing one or not wearing one is the same thing. I think it is weird that some people feel they always HAVE to be wearing one and conversely, that some people feel they always MUST NOT wear one. Seems like the same thing to me.

That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. How large is the set of things that "..some people feel they always MUST NOT wear..."? Think about what you're saying. It's idiotic. So anyone who's never worn the stupid fucking flag pin is making a statement by NOT wearing one? Or only some people? And how can you tell?

No, the only people you can say are obviously "making a statement" are the idiots who feel they MUST wear them and that it actually makes them patridiotic to do so and somehow beyond criticism. Wearing one is a disgusting piece of propogandistic groupthink.

"Seems like the same thing to me."

Not even close. Consciously NOT wearing one when it may be expected of you shows courage. Wearing one because it's expected of you and you don't dare buck the system by not wearing one shows craven cowardice and pathetic servitude.

on my head. My convictions on this matter are very strong. I will not waiver.

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The people, the true believers in the audience are waving smaller versions of the national banner in a crazed, grinning, drooling frenzy of nationalistic sentiment, carrying signs, and banners, wearing shirts, hats, and neckties on which the same theme is repeated, ad nauseum projectillum.
All in all, there are more flags in attendance at this rally than swastikas at Hitler's lovely Nuremberg torch light soirées of the thirties.

Such is the face of American politics, American policy, in the 21st century, lurid, self righteous and jingoistic, the face of rabid, belligerent sanctimony.

There is significant part of this crowd as all the throngs in attendance at these events who wish that, along with the flags there would be represented, with equal prominence, the cross, the symbol of the God that they believe has led them to ravage large portions of the world, to slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocents, to maim, to cripple and traumatize, and to displace millions more, to drive hundreds of millions of others to despise with a nearly everlasting hatred, the very symbols that they display in their leering, insensate, mocking pride.

If you can, imagine this scene, which has become so typical of these modern American political debates, rallies, or other functions, so carefully crafted, the throwing of red meat to the circus crowds, displaying for the cameras the totality of the zealous support of an admiring public.

Imagine, if you will, that the cameras have panned back, way back to display the crowd watching from the distance, from other shores, in other climes, crowds who lack the same enthusiasm for the gong banging thirst for empire of their gleefully celebrating oppressors now displayed on the television screens or newspapers in Baghdad or Amman, Lima or Jakarta, Islamabad, Mexico City, Agra or dozens of other locales on every continent.

Imagine what must occur in the minds and hearts of those who treasure other flags, other histories, those who treasure other Gods.

swastika armband was a Nazi. This is not necessarily the case for person wearing a flag pin. They could be Democrats, Republicans or Independents.

Questioning patriotism because of the lack of a flag pin is the height of stupidity. Does that surprise anyone?

Hey, give the Germans credit for good design principles.

And if you're not wearing a cross, you aren't a Christian. And if you are wearing a fancy cross and you aren't a Christian, then it's blasphemy.

I hate this shit.