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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:11 AM
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Florida bill calls for ultrasound scan before abortion (Republican smash and grab continues.)
Bill calls for scan before abortion

By Jennifer Liberto, Times Staff Writer
Published February 29, 2008


TALLAHASSEE - Women would be required to get ultrasounds before having abortions under an antiabortion proposal that gained a powerful ally in the Florida Senate on Thursday.
Republican Sen. Dan Webster, the Senate majority leader, signed on as sponsor for the measure during the 2008 legislative session, which begins Tuesday. A similar measure requiring ultrasounds for abortions passed the Republican-controlled House last year along party lines, but was not debated in the Senate.

Webster's bill would require women to have the test, which uses high-frequency waves to produce images of internal organs, including a fetus. It would also require doctors to "allow the woman to view the live ultrasound images" unless she's a victim of rape, incest or human trafficking. Under the bill, a woman could decline seeing the ultrasound image by signing a form.

Tampa Republican Rep. Trey Traviesa has a similar measure before the House this year.

"It's important legislation, because we want fewer abortions," said Traviesa, who is close to House leadership.

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Webster, a consistent social conservative, could not be reached Thursday ..... This is his last year in the Senate due to term limits.

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Critics say the ultrasound bill injects fear into doctor-patient relationships and pushes government into micromanaging medical care, as lawmakers did in the Terri Schiavo case, where a feeding tube was removed from a woman in a vegetative state.
"This is legislating medicine, which isn't the job of legislators," said Adrienne Kimmell, executive director of Florida Association of Planned Parenthood Affiliates. "It creates barriers and ties the hands of doctors to do what they think is in the best medical interests of patients."

Traviesa's House bill would also require ultrasounds for abortion, but goes much further, including making women wait for 24 hours to get an abortion.

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Term limits will force out of office several of the most damaging Republicans in the FL Legislature at the end of this year. That includes House Speaker Marco Rubio, Jeb's surrogate.

Hurry, January, 2009.

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:17 AM
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1. OK, so who pays for these ultrasounds?
A quick Google search found ultrasounds can cost anywhere from $200 to $1,000.

Who pays for this?
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:38 AM
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6. Why couldn't we spend that money on effective contraception for women at risk of electing to abort
if they found themselves pregnant? Because doing it this way makes too much sense??? Because that doesn't punish the woman enough for not being a virgin???

Reducing access to contraception/morning-after/RU-486 while cutting back services to mothers and children living in poverty is one of the cruelest, most abusive schemes I've ever encountered, and I hope the Republicans who are behind this suffer terribly for it, professionally if not personally.
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galadrium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:21 AM
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2. I love how republicans are so against government waste, unless its to suck up to religious nuts
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kedrys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:21 AM
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3. Wasn't there a blurb this week about abortion rates being highest
in conservative states and regions?

I can't wait to get out of here. :scared:
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:25 AM
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4. Reminds me of the old Bill Mauldin cartoon from WWII: the officer says to the clerk, "Here, put
these documents in alphabetical order and burn them."
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:36 AM
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5. Freedom of choice is something we will DEFINITELY lose if a repuke is elected in November.
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 10:37 AM by BrklynLiberal
Scary as hell....
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Psychmd Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:45 AM
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7. Differnt view for me recently
A good friend of my partner found out she was pregnant this month. She decided after a lot of soul searching to have an abortion. She is in Grad school and not in a long term relationship with the father. I had a very strange reaction to this as a gay man who has struggled for over 10 years with the realization that I could not have children( at least not very easily). My partner and I have been able to adopt 3 children in the last 4 years. One from a woman who decided to seek us out to take her child at 8 months because she realized she did not want to raise him(she had backed out of an arrangement to give him up at birth to another couple). The other two were adopted from the foster care system in Indiana. Believe it or not this was not difficult in our usually backward state. I had obsessive thoughts about how our lives would be different if our children's mothers decided to abort their children. I was literally an emotional wreck for several days and broke down crying sponaneously whenver i thought about it. I have always been aggressively for a woman's right to have an abortion, but honestly never had any personal experience with anyone(to my knowledge) who had to make that decision. We were ready to approach her and give her the option of us adopting her child when she told us that she and the father went to planned parenthood together, had an ultrasound and found out she was having twins. Not sure if this was required in Illinois, but because of this she changed her mind and plans on having the children and raising them jointly with the father. She had wanted a family eventually, but wasn't sure this was the time or the right man to start a family with. I don't feel that an ultrasound should be forced on people, but it does add a significant piece to the decision process. Not trying to pass judgement on anyone, just sharing a personal story.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:47 AM
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8. Who DOESN'T want fewer abortions?
Come on. Not even George Tiller wants more abortions.

But you don't do it by coming up with all this bullshit, you do it by having real sex education and by easing access to contraceptives.

I personally think that we could totally end teen pregnancy through a very simple method: put "Hey Kids! Your Parents Want You To Screw Your Brains Out!" on the back bumper of every police car and fire truck in America. Who ever heard of a kid who did anything his parents wanted him to do? Obviously "Just Say No To Sex" ain't doing it.
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