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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:31 PM
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THE BUSH TRAGEDY-NYT-"The Most Diasastrous President In Our History"
“The Bush Tragedy” is, nevertheless, an intelligent and illuminating book. It takes much of what we already know and uses it to create a mostly persuasive account of the character and behavior of a man whom many observers have already called the most disastrous president in our history.

Jim Bourg/Reuters
President Bush with his father in 2002.

THE BUSH TRAGEDY

By Jacob Weisberg.

An Excerpt From 'The Bush Tragedy' in Newsweek (newsweek.com)Weisberg sees Bush’s life, and his presidency, as the product of a series of relationships — with his family and with the two men who most decisively influenced his administration: Karl Rove and Dick Cheney. All these relationships, he argues, contributed to Bush’s failures, but none more importantly than the complicated one with his father.


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Weisberg also attempts to explain the extraordinary roles that, in different ways, Rove and Cheney played in fashioning Bush’s actions. To Rove, Bush was a hero from the moment they met. (“He was exuding more charisma than any one individual should be allowed to have,” he later recalled.) Long before anyone else imagined a big future for Bush, Rove was already planning the ascent to the presidency, and he would spend many years devoted to Bush’s career — using a large arsenal of political skills. (His tactics included ugly and effective whispering campaigns, which he heedlessly employed in both local and national races.) He was among the first to urge Bush to run for governor of Texas. After being set on his course, Bush needed little urging to imagine a race for president and entered the campaign as if the White House were a kind of entitlement; but it was Rove who had laid the groundwork for it within the party. Seldom has a candidate reached the presidency with so little personal effort or engagement. Once in office, Bush allowed Rove to continue shaping his political strategy, which overlapped extensively with public policy. The many concessions to the religious right were not the result of the president’s religiosity, but of Rove’s political calculations. He was determined to increase the evangelical turnout, which in 2000 had been so low it almost cost Bush the election. Sacrificed to this electoral strategy was the broad, cross-party appeal that Bush had created in Texas and the “compassionate conservatism” he had promised in his 2000 campaign. They were replaced with a narrow, base-driven strategy that alienated many of his initial supporters and undermined Rove’s ambitious goal of creating a permanent Republican majority.

Bush had a very different, but no less important, relationship with his vice president. Cheney did not share Rove’s belief in Bush’s great political gifts. Instead, Weisberg argues, he saw in the new president an easily manipulable vehicle for his own longstanding agenda. He did not strive to be Bush’s friend, but he became the president’s continual and loyal courtier. “Cheney had figured out how to play on the son’s sense of his reborn self, flattering the maturity of his judgment,” Weisberg notes. “There was no need to spell out the implicit proposition: You have the self-confidence and inner security to rely on me.” Cheney was not alone in persuading Bush (who needed little persuasion) to launch the disastrous war in Iraq, but without Cheney the conflict might never have overcome the opposition of many in the administration. Cheney was even more central to some of the other damaging actions of Bush’s presidency: the assaults on due process and civil liberties; the defense of torture; the heightened secrecy; the contempt for international law and international organizations; and, perhaps most of all, the imperial view of the presidency, based on Cheney’s theory of the “unitary executive” and (in Weisberg’s words) his “lifelong goal” of “making the presidency stronger.”

Is the story of George W. Bush in fact a tragedy? Many Americans, of course, believe that his presidency has been a tragedy for the nation and for the world. But Weisberg provides few reasons to think it has been a tragedy for Bush himself. He portrays Bush as a willfully careless figure, only glancingly interested in his legacy or even his popularity. “To challenge a thoughtful, moderate and pragmatic father,” Weisberg argues, “he trained himself to be hasty, extreme and unbending. He learned to overcome all forms of doubt through the exercise of will.” Tragedy, in the Shakespearean form that Weisberg seems to cite (although there is nothing tragic about Henry V either), requires self-awareness and at least some level of greatness squandered. The Bush whom Weisberg skillfully and largely convincingly portrays is a man who has rarely reflected, who has almost never looked back, and who has constructed a self-image of strength, courage and boldness that has little basis in the reality of his life. He is driven less by bold vision than by a desire to get elected (and settle scores), less by real strength than by unfocused ambition, and less by courage than by an almost passive acquiescence in disastrous plans that the people he empowered pursued in his name.

more at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/books/review/Brinkley-t.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:38 PM
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1. worst. president. ever.
'nuff said.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:46 PM
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60. Been There. Got the T-Shirt.
Three of them, actually, in different colors.

For yours, see bartcop.com

(with whom I have no commercial affiliation)
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:42 PM
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2. K&R, and bookmarked.
thanks, kpete.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:52 PM
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5. 19% still support this Silver Spoon Sociopath.
He still has a year to inflict even more damage upon Amerika & the World.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:55 AM
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13. And sadly, that 19% includes many Democratic Senators and Representatives
:argh:
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:01 AM
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25. The Silver Spoon Sociopath. I'm stealing that. Perfect.
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:30 PM
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72. Amongst the 19%
Lovers of tyranny, supporters of death, liers, and manipulators
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:48 PM
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3. He nailed the boy-king with this one:
"Seldom has a candidate reached the presidency with so little personal effort or engagement." It was evident in 2000...how could so many not see this as well? Oh yeah, we had a media that was complicit in getting this guy selected.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:11 PM
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7. as was his fathers Supreme Court Appointee
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 06:00 PM
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74. Precisely how I saw it, also!
I had just moved back to Tulsa after three years living and working in Dallas, while "Dubya" was governor. He was such a lightweight and so clearly uninterested in governing.

I could hardly believe anyone was considering him a serious candidate for the presidency in 2000, and he himself seemed to view the idea almost the same way, too!

I still recall quite clearly one bit of news film footage, where a small number of reporters were asking questions of GWB. He was traveling, on the "campaign trail," supposedly, in its earliest stages. But he seemed entirely unengaged and almost totally uncaring about the whole process -- or its result.

One reporter asked him something direct about his chances then, and he offered in reply that goofy smirk (before it grew confident and contemptuous, back when it held more of an embarrassed aspect that acknowledged his awareness of his own incompetence).

Then he said something to the effect of, "If I don't win, (shrug), I'll just come on back to Texas."

He honestly sounded like the LAST thing he expected was to actually become president! I felt he couldn't imagine the people buying it at all, just like I couldn't imagine that, either.

And he certainly did NOT seem one bit perturbed at what seemed obvious: that he likely would not get past the first hurdles. The entire idea seemed to amuse him as ridiculous on the face of it.

Well, ridiculous it was; but we had all yet to learn just how easily Rove could play the system and the media to produce ridiculous and disastrous results....

Bet we never underestimate such wretched men or their ploys again! Or at the very least not anytime soon.


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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:48 PM
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4. What is also bad is that now
almost any future president can claim

"At least I'm not as bad as GWB "

The new bar has been set in a presidential Limbo contest.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:30 PM
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9. I'm guessing the relatives of James Buchanan are happy to have Bush come along
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:22 PM
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49. The heirs of Polk, Harding, and Nixon are also thrilled.
Now nobody can claim any of those also-rans was our worst president.
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wilt the stilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:25 PM
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52. his mother
is a Buchanan and I believe a relative. they are keeping it in the family
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:05 PM
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54. Babs is/was a Pierce, as in Franklin -
Barbara Pierce Bush - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Bush

Franklin Pierce - '...His good looks and inoffensive personality caused him to make many friends, but he suffered tragedy in his personal life and as president subsequently made decisions which were widely criticized and divisive in their effects, thus giving him the reputation as one of the worst presidents in U.S. history....

'...After losing the Democratic nomination, Pierce continued his lifelong struggle with alcoholism as his marriage to Jane Means Appleton Pierce fell apart. His reputation was further damaged when he declared support for the Confederacy. He died in 1869 from cirrhosis....'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Pierce
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:10 PM
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6. Time to play Tag at Amazon:
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:26 PM
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8. Hasnt been disasterous for his or his friends pocketbooks...nt
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:36 PM
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10. The "Bush" Tragedy deserves the name the same way we call the NO hurricane the "Katrina" tragedy...
New Orleans was drowned in a hurricane named Katrina -- the tragedy was wrought on the city and people of New Orleans.

Bush is unaffected by the disaster he has brought the American people, so it is not his tragedy, nor is it a tragedy for his family and friends, who have profited enormously in money and power gained. However, the massive damage he has done to everyone else deserves to be called the "Bush" tragedy.

In that reading, the title of the book is accurate.

Hekate

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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:11 PM
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11. Someone will coin a name for this tragedy that is the Bush era.
Wonder what it will be?
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:23 PM
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12. The dark ages redux.
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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:12 AM
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14. You mean the Bush "error".
:D

Speaking of coins....

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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:40 AM
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16. bu$h-wacked
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:14 AM
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15. He is a terrible man....verging on evil...n/t
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:22 AM
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21. Verging? The man that has been behind the death of about a million people when he
premeditatedly lied to go to war? The man is an evil sociopath.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:01 AM
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17. A Worse Tragedy -- Failure To Impeach Him
Because without formal objection, the rest is just whining.

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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:17 PM
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41. YES! Bingo. n/t
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Pluvious Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:18 PM
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57. YES - and we fail to demonstrate to the world...
...that we realize our mistakes, and will try to not repeat it !!!

They just can't fathom how we "re-elected" the criminal in the first place...
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:48 PM
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62. exactly!
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 06:25 AM
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18. k&r n/t
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 06:41 AM
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19. Of course, he was never really President.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:14 AM
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20. Possession is nine-tenths of the law...
He got into the White House and wielded power for seven, almost eight years so far.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:30 AM
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22. Absolutely. But how sad that he loses his Worst President Ever™ award on a technicality.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:06 AM
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28. totally, all this focus on a front man misses the point. Several thousand evil fuckers,not one
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:03 PM
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45. We didn't ever have a President: Commodus
Over the past seven years we lacked a President. Instead, we got a prop pushed on us by the Elites. Bush reign parallels few historic figures in his ineptitudes but his rule seems some what similar to that of Roman leader Commodus.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:43 AM
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23. Can there be anything worse than the worst, because if there can be, Bush is it!
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:43 AM
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24. Cheney was the puppetmaster for the chimp- no denying that.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:23 AM
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26. The asterix Presidency
Every time history books mention George W. Bush's name there will be an asterix or a footnote number next to it for voluminous references to the disaster he was for the country and the planet. Just like we wrap up the persecution and paranoia of McCarthy as the McCarthy Era, we will have the generic term The Bush Era to refer to the loss of our standing in the world, all due to one Administration.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:39 AM
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27. He has all the symptoms of an alcoholic
Dry or wet, untreated alcoholics maintain the drinking personality.
Bush has all the behaviors of "King Baby" .
Done a real good job of surrounding himself with enablers, too.
His intact denial system is off the charts.

He's sick.
Cheney and Addison are truly evil.




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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:36 AM
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31. welcome to DU dixiegrrrrl!!
:hi:
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:24 AM
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36. Welcome, dixiegrrrl! And nice first post! n/t
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:56 PM
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67. Thanks for the welcome
Always appreciate hospitality.
Been lurking for awhile, much admiring DU and the folks who contribute, so thank all y'all.

:yourock:
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:12 PM
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55. the first six years it was the
publican 'majority' serving as his enablers indulging his every whim, scared of saurove & delay. The last 2 years the democrats have been mighty obliging to the serial killer, all at the expense of the country. Weenies
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:54 AM
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29. Bush is very very bad but Cheney, the puppet master, has been worse
Pulling the strings to make the "presidency stronger", having a view of the "imperial presidency". Imperialism is a scary term for the United States. Cheney wanted a steamroller for a president and in most instances, he got one. Combined with a spineless and weak congress, Democrats and Republicans alike, and we get Bush the Fascist. Keith O. is correct. Mr. Bush, you are a fascist. Mr. Cheney was the biggest supporter of this and anyone who supports him or his ideas (which were put into Bush, the puppet) are for fascism, imperialism, plutocracy, etc. All types of governments that are against Democracy. Perhaps the 19% who approve of Bush would like to move to Iran. Or North Korea. Or China. Or travel back in time somehow to Nazi Germany. Because that is the type of governments these people support. Some of Democratic and most of our Republican leaders can hitch a ride with them.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:33 AM
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30. Cheney, is the root of the evil.
I despise both of them for what they have done to the country and other countries. They both would not have lasted if they were in another country, they would have been long gone with pitchforks and torches. No one will do our bidding except us. :(
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:38 AM
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32. Saddest of all, he appears to have been born without a heart. n/t
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lutefisk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:05 AM
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34. He came through ok though- Poppy's friends gave him one..n/t
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Tikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:45 AM
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33. Welcome to DU ...Dixiegrrrrl...
:hi: glad you are here...

I believe you are correct....and there is no chance he will
ever speak to make amends to those he has harmed.





Tikki
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:09 AM
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35. I see the NYT finally got it's fill of licking morons* shoes. nt
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:25 PM
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42. Nah, it's just a book review.
The occasional book reviews or potshot editorials mean nothing.

It's the reporting style that matters and until that changes over there, it's just the same old stuff.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:33 AM
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37. Hear, hear all ye ignorant, blind, somnambulant Amurikkkans and all true-believers:
everyday joes awaken to the catastrophic consequences of your ignorance, blindness, and asleep-at-the-wheel state and true-believers revel in the magnificence of your works. :D
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:45 AM
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38. LET'S SAY 10 GOOD THINGS ABOUT BUSH----->
It would not be Christian of us to continue this line without realizing at least 10 things about president George Dubya Bush that we can appreciate....

10) Absolutly proved the age old adage that ANYONE can become president
9) Will make us appreciate Bill, Barack, Hillary, Dennis, John, etc, so much more
8) Made his heart beat long enough to avoid ever hearing "President Dick Cheney"
7) Clinton in office, only 25% of schoolchildren smarter than the sitting president
Bush has SIGNIFICANTLY raised that percentage (NCLB)
6) United America for a 2006 sweep, and the party crossover of a million Republicans
5) Has not yet attacked China
4) Gave McCain the "hug of death"
3) Has brought about the biggest expected voter turnout in US history (2008)
2) Has the entire world looking forward to a bright 2009
1) Cannot run for a third term

ALL HAIL DUBYA BUSH, ALL HAIL SUPER LEADER... (my conservative friends have been "oh so quiet"
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:13 PM
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46. Not really ...
10) Absolutely proved the age old adage that ANYONE can become president

He wasn't just any nasty shrewd, ass hole. He was a president's son and a nasty shrewd, ass hole.

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H8fascistcons Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:06 PM
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39. Democrats must never,
never let Nancy pelosi, Harry Reed, Rahm Emanuel, Stenny Hoyer off the hook for this mess. We must keep them linked to the Bush Crime Family until all four are run out of office for good!!!!!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:09 PM
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40. I hate these stupid psychological "Great Man" studies
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 12:10 PM by alcibiades_mystery
Bush is a historical effect, not the center of action that needs to be analyzed in itself. This crap is no smarter than Tweety Matthews' stupid idea that politics all comes down to who likes whom and various personal squabbles. This is the Britney Spears Watch version of politics, and it is bone-stupid.

God, we're still so fucking dumb as a culture.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:37 PM
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43. As much as I can attest to the claims of your post, I wonder.......
When he was determined as the winner- via the supreme court, why the decision was finalized. Why????? The media shares blame here too, but why? Why did the media sell bush to us as the guy you could accept as not intellectual, therefore; ok to have a beer with. Why????? John O'Neil was head of FBI in New York and quit several weeks before 9-11. Why????? Local Govt. gave bush a bull horn and said he was bringing the county together? But he wasn't. Fire fighters and police were literally duking it out after the money was retrieved from under the world trade towers, and rescue workers were stopped from saving their co-workers. Why???? I think without speaking to the experts, it's because they could make lots of money!!!!!!! Any other intellectually thought is a waste of brain power. The administration is the greediest in the lineage of greed. America will have to come to terms with greed. Why?????? Because greed is too expensive.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:39 PM
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44. Legendary failure rate.
Codex of infinite failure.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:17 PM
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47. "And you ain't seen nothing yet"- John McCain n/t
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CubicleGuy Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:17 PM
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48. Sounds like Rove borrowed from Limbaugh
To Rove, Bush was a hero from the moment they met. (“He was exuding more charisma than any one individual should be allowed to have,” he later recalled.)

Sounds a lot like Limbaugh's "Having more fun than a human being should be allowed to have."
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:24 PM
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50. So this "p"residency has been a tragedy for Dim Son as well as the rest of us...
Oh, cry me a f**kin' river!!!!

The "tragedy" is that psychopaths are able to rise so high in the social sphere due to money and family connections. (established by their ancestral psychopaths who threw in with Hitler) It's a sickness of a system that worships money and status above all else. When you think about it, BushandCheney is the perfect ruler for our market-driven system, the perfect successors to leave-em-homeless Ronnie Raygun.

It is up to us as citzens to get this country back to real compassion, and put an end to the sorriest period in US history.
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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:00 PM
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68. The Bush Administration has been a failure because they implemented
all the Neo-conservative Republican philosophy. It has proven failure at all levels and in all ways It should be remembered how complete and utterly bankrupt of real ideas this greedy bunch has been and the cost we will all have to bear because of them.
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:13 PM
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76. NIcely articulated!!! n/t
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:26 PM
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51. It took almsot 8 years for the NYTimes to wake up to the reality that many of us knew in 1999!!!!
The entire tragedy of this administration could have been, and probably was, predicted by those who knew the truth about what was going on. But the MSM, including the NYTIMES, were complicit in creating this tragedy. They did not even help in 2004 when there was a chance to repair some of the damage that may now be irreparable.
Nice of the MSM to start being so informative now, when it is way, way too late....

Where were they when their input could have had some positive effect??!!
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:25 PM
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70. You're right. All of the MSM should share in the blame
every single one of the networks and newspapers.

Is there even one that consistently warned us about this disaster of a human being?

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:42 PM
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53. I"m convinced that Rove and Bush had it going on...
Rove said of the first time he met Georgie, "He was exuding more charisma than any one individual should be allowed to have."

Okaaaaaay.

Anyone who looks at that empty-headed freak and sees an overflow of "charisma" is looking through the
rose-colored lenses of giddy infatuation. That sounds like a statement of adoration and attraction.

Rove does have that bald head that George loves so much...



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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:17 PM
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56. EEEWWWWwwwwwwwwwww...my eyes ...they burn.....LOL...but its so hilarious
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:46 PM
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61. If you google "karl rove is gay", this is
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 04:40 PM by mojowork_n
one of the links that comes up, pointing out exactly what you did:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/the-closets-of-karl-and-k_b_28669.html

Throw in the whole Jeff Gannon/Guckert business, and all those unrecorded visits to the White House by a known male prostitute, and who knows?

Edit

What am I thinking? If you type "bush blew a guy" into Google, you get more links, rounding out the whole picture. Hinted at by Kitty Kelly, in her biography, when she described 'jock-sniffer', cheerleader Bush.

2nd Edit, addition:

The closer you look at Rove, the sleazier he seems. This excerpt is from dKosopedia's Rove entry, describing the property in Texas where's he's registered to vote. I'd be curious to know who actually lives there, and where and if his wife has ever voted:

...Karl Rove is registered to vote in Kerr County, Texas, when he and his wife do not actually live there. The Washington Post explains: <58>

Kerr County, about 80 miles west of Austin in the Texas Hill Country. He and his wife, Darby, have owned property there, on the Guadalupe River, since at least 1997, according to county property records.

But as far as the locals know, the couple have never actually lived in either of two tiny rental cottages Rove claims as his residence on Texas voter registration rolls. The largest is 814 square feet and valued by the county at about $25,000.

"I've been here 10 years and I've never seen him. There are only, like, three grocery stores in town. You'd think you'd at least see him at the HEB" grocery, said Greg Shrader, editor and publisher of the Kerrville Daily Times.

Down in Texas, when you register to vote in a place where you don't actually live, the county prosecutor can come after you for voter fraud, said Elizabeth Reyes, an attorney with the elections division of the Texas Secretary of State. Rove's rental cottage "doesn't sound like a residence to me, because it's not a fixed place of habitation," she said. "If it's just property that they own, ownership doesn't make that a residence."
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:21 PM
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58. He's not even out of office and we're already seeing the writing of
his 'legacy'. He will seen as a disaster, in fact it's already being recorded for posterity.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:46 PM
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59. Gee, li'l Boots is a monster. ... Who knew?
who knew indeed
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 03:58 PM
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63. EVERYONE who buys newsweek should send their copy to the Bush household
in Kennebunkport, Maine.

If 25% of the DU members here sent the copy, we could inundate Poppy and show HIM how MUCH his son has DESTROYED this country in 6 short years.

I'm going to send mine -- will you?
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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:17 PM
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64. Tragedy? He and his gang and family shall fucking burn in hell, if justice doesn't get them on earth
I feel like strangling somebody when I think about this fuck.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:29 PM
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65. Truer words were never spoken (OK, written). Sing along with Boy George:
Home on the Range (as sung by George W. Bush)

Oh give me a home
Where no liberals roam,
And the folks all think the same way,
Where each house has a gun,
A big caliber one,
And strangers are told, “make my day!”

(Chorus)
Home, home on the range,
Where the beer and the cantaloupe lay,
Where seldom is heard a three syllable word,
Or if so, then it’s one I can say.

If they’d let me play,
And make Congress go away,
The agenda that I would put through!
Each grade through the eighth
Would be taught based on faith,
With the children all praying on cue.

(Chorus)
Home, home on the range,
Where the beer and the cantaloupe lay,
Where seldom is heard a three syllable word,
Or if so, then it’s one I can say.

The budget’s a mess,
Oh, that much I’ll confess
But I’ve got Saddam’s gun on my wall
And I’ll let the Psalms
Guide my noo-kyoo-ler bombs,
Them terrrists gone once and for all.

(Chorus)
Home, home on the range,
Where the beer and the cantaloupe lay,
Where seldom is heard a three syllable word,
Or if so, then it’s one I can say.

The video of the above song, for any who haven't yet had the pleasure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7dPISoH6Ok&mode=related&search=
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:44 PM
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66. And Part Two may soon follow...
Part Two may follow if Hillary Clinton becomes president. The woman is just beneath contempt at this point. As anyone who watches the 60 Minutes interview has realized. But then her husband was part of the cabal. And has done well by it. Follow the money trail.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:26 PM
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71. i think her crew will steal the nomination
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:16 PM
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69. Comforting thought:
Senator mCcain has hitched his wagon to all of this. :bounce:
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 05:30 PM
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73. The sound of his voice
makes me nauseous. His father had a similar effect on me but on a scale of 1 to 10 the old man was a 3.5 and the kid is a full 10.

Unfortunately, I find myself looking askance at anyone with a nasal voice these days....sort of like an audio induced PTSD.






Thanks KPete


Kicked and recommended
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 06:40 PM
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75. Without impeachment the Bush disaster is The American Tragedy
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:16 PM
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77. Hey, New York Times: Do the words "Judith Miller" ring a bell?
You NYT asswipes propped up Bush and his war, remember?
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:27 PM
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78. SATAN. Truely demonic!!!
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