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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:49 PM
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When all the smoke clears...... Gore?
If that happens, the convention could turn to a compromise candidate. Al Gore is the most obvious and perhaps the only contender who could head off a complete meltdown in the party. After all, he already won the popular vote for the presidency. It was only because of a fluke at the Supreme Court that he was denied his turn at the wheel. No one could deny that he's ready on day one to assume the presidency. "It's the rational choice if this turns into a goddamn mess, which it could," says the Clinton adviser, who doesn't want to be quoted seeming to waver about Clinton's chances of securing the nomination.

Gore has kept his silence throughout the Democratic nominating season. But his name will surely surface as his party ponders the possibility that they will not have a nominee by the time the convention rolls around—especially since John McCain enjoys a huge head start in launching his general-election campaign. We have the Ted Kennedy forces to thank for the freedom of choice that all delegates enjoy, not just the supers. In 1980, Kennedy argued for an open convention, while President Carter was determined to keep convention delegates bound. With a 600-delegate margin over Kennedy, Carter prevailed. As a result, any delegate voting against the candidate he or she was elected to represent could be replaced by an alternate and thrown off the convention floor. The rule was strict and enforceable. Kennedy couldn't dislodge any of the Carter delegates. Two years later, after Carter lost the election, the phrase "in all good conscience" was inserted into the rule, belatedly giving delegates the latitude Kennedy had sought.

What does that phrase mean? In the eyes of the Clintonites, it holds the promise of some room to maneuver en route to the nomination. By the time August rolls around, if public opinion polls show John McCain beating Obama by 15 points, then what does a delegate or a superdelegate "in all good conscience" do? This week's general-election matchups with John McCain have Obama up by 12 points and Clinton up by 6, but that could change with Clinton pounding away at Obama's inexperience on national security. She's shameless, telling a military audience this week that she and McCain bring a lifetime of experience to the job of commander in chief, while all Obama brings is a speech. An unbloodied Obama fares better against McCain, but where will he be after Clinton is through with him?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/119851
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:51 PM
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1. Please, no more FANTASYLAND posts !!!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:31 PM
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15. Well the reality we are looking at is gonna be a b*tch!!!
I'd rather keep my fingers crossed for Gore!!!
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Andrea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:31 PM
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28. If you would study up
on history and party rules, you would know this isn't "fantasyland". Please, get real.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:51 PM
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2. I wish but, frankly, he has found his niche,...a place where his influence is impactful.
Why would he choose to get back into the scummiest of rat races? :shrug:
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Andrea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:32 PM
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29. Because he would be drafted
Because he cares about the party, the country and the earth. There is a big difference between declaring your candidacy and agreeing to a draft.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:51 PM
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3. I read in an interview that Gore wasn't interested.
Can't blame him.
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DemocratInSoCal Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:56 PM
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4. This Country Does Not Have Fortune That Good
Were it even a possibility, I'd be more optimistic about this country's future. I'm not sure that Mr. Gore wants anything to do with fixing the problems. He's not an egomaniac like the current crop of candidates. Were he to become President, he would be, heaven forbid, someone who actually cared about the people and the constitution.

The forces against him ever being given a floor are too great. Both Obama & Clinton are too controlling to ever entertain his entrance as even a compromise. They crave the Throne and Power far too much. And the party leaders, do not appear interested in Mr. Gore. So far as they're concerned, he's the past, and Obama is the future.

But at this point, since I'm not excited about either candidate, I still hold a tiny candle, on the chance a fractured convention might lead, somehow, someway, to a call on Mr. Gore, to be the Democratic party candidate in November.

My thinking is this. He already ran a campaign. He already Won the election. Should he be required to actually run again, for something which should have been his 7 years ago?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:57 PM
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5. Welcome to DU
:hi:
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DemocratInSoCal Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:18 PM
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13. Thanks Underpants
Welcome "Back" To DU.

Hoping to stick to the safer subjects, and those I'm well versed in, like the future economic collapse of our economy.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:58 PM
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6. I didn't vote for Gore - I at least want a candidate who people voted for this year.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:00 PM
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7. blah blah blah blah
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:hi:

Yes, I hope this happens, and Gore is the nominee, maybe GORE/OBAMA 2008?
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:00 PM
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8. In either the Jan. or Feb. issue of AARP magazine, Gore stated
he no longer loved politics. Who could blame him??
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:05 PM
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9. What a dream that would be...
And of course, it's a possibility -not probable, but it could happen (and things like this have happened before).
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:47 PM
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19. That's what I was just about to say.
We can dream, can't we? Now days dreams are about the only thing that keeps me going!
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Andrea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:35 PM
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30. Right
I wish more people knew enough about party mechanics to know this IS possible.
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tachyon Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:10 PM
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10. I am pretty sure he could beat McCain. I don't think Clinton or Obama can.
I guess we will see.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:14 PM
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11. Gore is on his own path-done with all the bullshit
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:14 PM
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12. I'd love to have Gore
But this will be decided on the first ballot.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:28 PM
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14. Wouldn't it be loverly? Sigh. nt
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:36 PM
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16. Maybe only after Hillary challenges Barack to a duel and they both "win" so to speak
that would be the only way I can think of that would "clear the field" for a Gore run
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:59 PM
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17. "FLUKE"?
Yes, if it goes to a second ballot, Gore is very likely going to be on it. These two candidates we have now are doing a pretty awesome job bloodying each other. Clinton especially. We may very welcome someone to step into the fray in August.

And it wasn't any "fluke" that robbed him of the presidency. It was a blatant unconstitutional action perpetrated by a biased judiciary. Not a fluke. A bloody crime.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:56 PM
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22. But you'll never hear the MSM call it what it really is
Amazingly, I have a very Liberal neighbor who is the News director for a local NPR affiliate.I've related to her, and her reporters (now also friends of mine) my own personal experience with the election theft of 2000. I let them know that there were many eyewitnesses who saw the same things I did that day, that signed affidavits , and that Greg Palast is the ONLY reporter who ever listened to me and covered our story. Since it's a local (Florida) story I thought that they would want to cover it. But NO, no interest at all! They thought it was shocking and sickening, and they claimed to have never heard about the police tactics used that day-but no interest in bringing the story to the people. I'm not sure if that's because the station manager is a Right Winger, or if they just thought it was too controversial. They know me and they trust me, so I'm flummoxed. I suspect that the Newsweek staff is no different, but to call it a "FLUKE" is a real slap in the face and a gross mis-characterization!
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:20 AM
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25. I think it comes down to they need their jobs.
If they were to cover this story, they would lose their jobs and no other news agency would hire them. It's a difficult time to be a journalist with integrity. I bet we will hear some horrible stories about it if we ever get our country back.
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Andrea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:38 PM
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31. Yes, the MSM doesn't acknowledge it, and yet
Practically everybody in the public now knows the 2000 election was stolen. It took time, but the facts got out there.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:33 PM
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18. oh for fuck's sake
No, Gore will not be the nominee.

Idiots here will still be speculating about this on November 2nd. It was stupid 3 months ago, it's stupid today, it'll be stupid tomorrow.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:48 PM
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20. he quit politics to go to work with a green venture capitalist company
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Nia Zuri Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:50 PM
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21. Please stop
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:29 PM
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23. Makes a hell of a lot of sense to me!
Ah, to have my 2000 vote finally counted!
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Andrea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:39 PM
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32. Better 8 years late than never!
:)
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:00 PM
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35. Most definitely!
Although I do not believe our country can wait much longer.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:24 PM
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24. Great article.
Thanks for the link. :kick:
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 09:03 AM
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26. kick. n/t
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:31 PM
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27. Well, Let's Hope It Clears FAST!
I'm sick of this shit.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:41 PM
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33. Unlikely, but highly preferrable to the alternative. n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:43 PM
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34. You gotta be DREAMING, here! Why are you posting this?
You trying to whip up false hopes? Aren't you a Lounge Lizard on DU? Why come out and post this stuff?

But...IMHO...I've been waiting for "Neo-Gore" since 2000...and that's why I stayed here...but I did give up...and I only stay here...because I'm a Populist/Progressive.. :shrug:
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