This double standard shit is BEYOND acceptable!

I'm at a complete loss right now. What is it about America that forces a generally good man to resign over a personal incident? Similarly, why was Clinton put through the GOP ringer for his sexual encounters?

Larry Craig? Rush Limbaugh? Newt Gingrich? Hell, McCain? Republicans are caught in scandals every week! Where are their impeachment papers???

WHY THE FUCK are people letting Bush and CHeney get away with murder and mayhem? They're the ones who deserves to go down? WHY ARE PEOPLE "OK" WITH GOP HYPOCRISY?

Sorry for the "yelling," but I'm beyond infuriated at this stupid country and the stupid sheeple who love sex and hate democracy...

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prosecuted against.

carrying his high morality as his badge of honor.

"carrying his high morality as his badge of honor."

That makes him different? Think again.

I haven't made up my mind about Spitzer yet but that's not enough of a reason to differentiate him from those given as examples! Are you serious?

Craig:

"If Larry Craig were held to the standard of sexual conduct he imposes on the U.S. armed forces, he'd be out of his job."

http://www.slate.com/id/2173102/

Rush:

"If (Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders) wants to legalize drugs, send the people who want to do drugs to London and Zurich, and let's be rid of them.
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Dec 9, 1993

Mccain:

"After trying to portray himself as a "maverick" who would reform Washington, John McCain is now trying to illegally withdraw from the very campaign finance system he has claimed to champion, a move that highlights for North Carolina's voters McCain's hypocrisy on ethics."

http://www.ncdp.org/FEC+Case+Highlights+McCain+Hypocrisy

As for Limpdick, unfortunately he makes money by satiating the thirst of too many listeners to prurient details.

Because this thread is about about the double standard and you said: "carrying his high morality as his badge of honor".

Did you read what I said? They DID carry their high morality as their badge of honor and I gave you some examples of that.

Now if you really believed it's up to the voters then you'd have said that Spitzer should let HIS voters decide, but that's not what you said.

Hate him if you want, hold him to a higher standard if you want, but the argument you made was not a good one. That's all I wanted to point out to you.

But, the fact that is that articles are being drafted for his impeachment as we speak. Where is the "justice" for the GOP hypocrites?

The NY State legislature is doing exactly what a legislature is supposed to do.

Why isn't our Democratically-controlled US Congress doing its job? Isn't that the more important question, why we let a legislative body actively abdicate its responsibility?

or ours.

I don't get pissed at legislatures that do what they're supposed to do, I get pissed when they don't.

In fact, I'm sure you're on every day, on every thread about the issue, howling for the U.S. congress to impeach Bush and Cheney, immediately.

You are, aren't you?

Why are Republicans able to take down Democrats, yet the Republican criminals and hypocrites are still among us, running our government? Why the double standard?

I'm not so mad about the Spitzer impeachment, but why let all these other criminals get away?

and try as I might, I can't come up with a single plausible reason to explain why Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are such utter failures.

All I'm left with is that they are completely incompetent in leadership roles.


I say good for the NY State legislature. If a governor commits criminal activity when in office, he should be investigated, and if proven, impeached. It sucks bad when it happens to one of ours, but the PROCESS should trump politics.

The EVERY MOVEMENT and indiscretion of anti-Wall Street activists
(and out-of-line Repubs) is closely watched, as part of an organized blackmail network, as we discuissed in the Foley case.

And the sheeple on DU let it happen.

Judge on MSNBC: "If he hadn't made so many enemies on Wall Street
and Albany going after white collar crime with such excessive zeal,
he could probably survive this. He brought this on himself."

POWERFUL ENEMIES.

Do you have powerful enemies -- or power-less? If you are a Republican like Vitter and your enemies are powerless (Katrina public housing evacuees, whom even DUers care little for), your powerful Dem colleagues will stand by your every sexual indiscretion lest THEY be exposed by their much more POWERFUL enemies.

DUers are too naive to understand that.

just, you know, FYI.

The process was the Gonzalez Justice Department went on a fishing expedition because Spitzer was on a fair way to swinging control of New York state to the Democrats. :shrug:

The investigation started in October, a month after Gonzales resigned.

It is what it is.

People keep asserting this and I'd like to know if he did that.

Prosecuting prostitution rings was his job. Did he prosecute johns? Thanks.

...but Spitzer has to go?

Fucked up double standard there it seems to me...

Head of CENTCOM. A four star general, has served his country superbly for decades. And he resigns for one reason only. bush is an incompetent sack of crap.

their policy towards Iran...ie., they were gonna bomb before and they're gonna bomb now.

intimidated media to cheer for the Repugs while dumping on the Dems.

Rush Limbaugh is not running for office.

McCain's scandal had no evidence!

Newt Gingrich Resigned because of his scandal.

Spitzer ADMITTED IT - he is on a FBI Wire tap..

They should have been subjected to the same treatment, right? They are hypocrites, get them out of office, right?

dog catcher. After that, yes, the full force of the law should be applied, but forget it, You do not live in a fair society... the curtain just fell off

I guess I got them mixed up (all those crazy GOP hypocrites start to blend together after a while!).

and that is your double standard and a politicized DOJ

Limbaugh WAS prosecuted, and his $1000 an hour lawyer got him off with a slap on the wrist.

Craig plead guilty to a misdemeanor (tapping a foot in a restroom really can't be considered a felony).

Gingrich was nailing his assistant (still not a crime).

McCain was allegedly nailing a lobbyist (still not a crime in and of itself)

Vitter SHOULD have been charged.

once again, you have double standards in a politicized legal system

If you can't see it, I can't help

Oh and for heaven's sake, we had a president also having some ass on the side (sorry to be crude) like almost other chief executive since the country was founded... he is impeached...

While the current one leads the country to an illegal war, over lies.

Care to 'spain to me the double standard here?

And he got prosecuted. And he had a high priced lawyer who got him off. Thats what high priced lawyers do. The unfairness is in the justice that money can buy. Name me the last Democrat who got criminally prosecuted over a sexual matter? (and impeachment isn't a criminal prosecution.)

stupidity? Unfortunately we can't arrest people for that.

It has everything to do with misusing the politicized Bush Justice Department.

You really don't get it.

I just don't see how this can really be happening? The general apathy has allowed BushCo to forge a government in their own interests. They have everyone on their side and right wing nuts ready to scream and holler at the first sign of impropriety by the other side, regardless of their own actions. It's so sickening, it's hard to stomach.

Why aren't we more outraged by this? Why can't we bring more light to this?

"Look, a corrupt Democrat over there!"

And before we really have all facts in hand, we're jumping down the guy's throat.

When the bigger, more insidious crime is what the "Justice" Department is doing.

We allow ourselves to be distracted. :shrug:

"family values". He is a Senator, and what he did was illegal. He is still in the senate, after even more crap came out on him. So, don't tell me that Spitzer has to resign. If he chooses to do so, ok; but, we should be giving him the support that we gave to Bill when he was skewered. I believe we will learn more, and if he broke laws of money laundering, etc., then, of course, he should resign and be prosecuted. If not, he is still the Governor of New York, and I think he should stay. Or, if he has to go, I want all those pugs who are disgusting in their refusal to admit anything, to go also. Vitter did admit he was implicated in the DC Madam scandal, but refused to admit the New Orleans prostitute scandal, which is still brewing, but being controlled by the GOP in this state. of course, there are many more pugs than dems caught up in sex scandals, but they are adept in stepping aside, shaking the shit off their shoe and proceeding as if nothing has happened.

I swear some of these people, including Spitzer make Bill Clinton seem almost like a choirboy.

I'll let folks draw their own conclusions.

this is the true face of fascism... when you use justice for political ends

"use justice for political ends"

Then we have been a fascist country since our inception. I'd postulate that according to your definition, there has never been a government that is not fascist.

government. And it has not happened until recently

We have lived in an authoritarian system at times, such as John Adamn's America. But fascist, we now fit Mussolini's definition to a T

Ahhh. I missed that particular qualification in your previous post.

When I found out that part and parcel of the reason for the passage of the Alien & Sedition Acts was to shut down the Philadelphia newspaper, 'The American Aurora', I came to my own realization that no man (or country) is completely free... or completely enslaved.

That being said, I really don't think protest, criticism and the free exchange of ideas was permitted to such a degree as ours is in 1930's Italy. So I don't think we coincide quite to the degree you're making it out to be.

If the time comes that individuals are not permitted to criticize the actions of our government, then I may reconsider...

Second, the process has been slower

Third, we are moving there...

Fourth I recommend a book.. Naomi Wolf's The End of America.

These boys are following an old and tried formula

"Naomi Wolf's The End of America." I've read it (countless times), and I'm still of the opinion that we are currently on the beginning of the progressive cyclical upswing.

And we're beyond the early years of the neo-conservative movement. They appear to have taken their best shot, gave it a good try, came close in a few regards, but are ultimately failing (and realize it)

I still perceive representative democracy as being a much stronger, and a much more popular force than fascism in this country.

law... that is fascism by definition

Then we've been a fascist country since the late nineteenth century...

Pubs are also VERY VOCAL against any Dem actions...actual or imagined.

They cling together in numbers because of it. Mob mentality rules the day.

Okay, I probably shouldn't start here for my first post, but here goes....:)

Spitzer's crime is far worse than some personal peccadillo.

By utilizing the services of a prostitution ring, Elliot Spitzer "got into bed" (so to speak) with organized crime. Prostitution rings also often involve drug trafficking and money laundering. Spitzer, as a former prosecutor, knows that. Not only that, but as governor of NY, he is in a position of power. He left himself open to blackmail. He potentially compromised the state of NY.

It is a very good thing that this came out when it did. It could have led to much worse.

I think the double standard isn't so much in the actions of the accused, but the reactions of the accusers. The GOP tears Dems apart for their indescretions, but don't hold themselves to the same standard. Their liars, cheater, philanderers, criminals are still in office.

And where is the Democratic response? Why are Bush and Cheney allowed to continue? Not that Dems should be shrieking maniacs, but when a crime does occur, they should be ready to respond with impeachment. And not these lame "attempts," but an honest to goodness impeachment. Remember "when Clinton lied, nobody died." So, let's have justice all around.

I agree with you but I also understand the OP's frustration. David Vitter got a standing ovation when he returned to the House. Republicans will let this go for their own people yet they are drafting articles of Impeachment for Spitzer.

Spitzer gets what he deserves, but only because he's a Democrat. A Republican would walk away from this...

Thanks for the welcome. You're absolutely right about Vitter. I was responding to the OP, who mentioned Craig, McCain and Limbaugh. Vitter is just as guilty as Spitzer, and just as hypocritical, what with his moralizing about "the sanctity of marriage". I can only guess that he didn't p*ss off as many people as Spitzer did. The governor has developed a really bad reputation here in NY. He's called himself a "f***ing steamroller". I think he steamrolled over the wrong people. I honestly don't see this as a purely Republican/Democrat issue. I see it as retribution for arrogance. Unfortunately, politics is, and has always been, dirty business.

And payback's a bitch.

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No, he's not. Neither is Bill Clinton. Each totally violated the trust of their partner and then dragged them into the humiliating public limelight to mitigate their guilt. Should that part be criminal? No-merely reprehensible which is EXACTLY the case. The criminal part is the actions taken in violation of criminal law-in Clinton's case perjury and charges have yet to be preferred in the Spitzer case.Why people make excuses for philandering males surpasses my understanding. If it were done to you, would you as easily dismiss it as a "personal incident"? Why are US military personnel held to a higher standard of morality under pain of court martial and dishonorable discharge than the highest elected leaders of our country? Yeah, he's "one of ours" but he's toast and deservedly so.

Why aren't Republicans held to the same standard? Why aren't the Democrats drafting impeachment charges for them? Why aren't the GOP hypocrites forced to resign when they're caught?

I won't make excuses for men who cheat. I've been cheated on, and I think its despiciable (and there's no way I would stand next to a cheater at a press conference). But, I won't accept morality lectures from people who also lie, cheat, steal, use drugs, etc. Why should America put up with these GOP wing nuts when they are just as guilty (if not more so).

What about women who cheat? "Men who cheat", with a personalized and politicized lecure, as part of a discussion of double standards. The irony is thick.
And I don't accept morality lectures from anyone. No one is qualified, not one.

But 'men who cheat'? Please.

My post was in reference to if it were done to me, and I'm a woman so that was in my response. I won't make excuses for women either (or dogs, cats, horses, birds, etc), but my personal experience is with men.

Maybe you should direct your irritation at those GOP hypocrites who lambaste Democratic politicians while doing the same thing behind our backs. Gingrich impeaching Clinton for perjury (based on a cheating scandal), all while cheating on his wife. That's irony...

The pros talked about his small "thingy."

:rofl: I crack myself up. Sometimes...

Not sure about murder and mayhem.

Cloning, perhaps??

Yes, the religious right is so willing to attack the sins of another, but not the injustices of their own (as in one death from abortion is worse than 4,000 dead in a political war).

And apparently more than once. It might even be a federal crime, involving the Mann Act. Bush and Cheney have committed worse crimes all right but that is neither here nor there. Our side has to be held accountable for its crimes too. He did the same thing he prosecuted others for.

... shook my head at the irony.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2990330&mesg_id=2992830

...Dems do NOT Impeach. Dems do NOT grow spines.

Ask many DUers about Impeachment of W and Cheney and they will scream and huff and puff about there is no time for such things...it will be viewed as revenge. Bunch of damn cowards.

AMERICANS DON'T VOTE FOR COWARDS!

P.S. You forgot my favorite, the great Senator Vitter of LA who pays prostitutes to put him in diapers so he can shit himself!!!! He refused to resign and when he returned to the Senate Floor, his fellow Repugnant Senators STOOD AND APPLAUDED HIM!!!!!

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Because most don't care!

That is not what "nice guys" do.

are not constitutional officers, therefore they are not subject to impeachment according to the Consitution of the United States.

Buying women's asses as though women are commodities for sale is not a "personal incident."