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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:29 AM
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If only the Japanese had called it "harsh interrogation", nobody would have been hanged
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 11:45 AM by Kelvin Mace
(Cross-posted from Thoughtcrimes)

On September 27th, 1943, Australian commandos paddled into Singapore harbor in the dead of night. With the greatest of skill, the men attached mines to the hulls of seven Japanese ships and then paddled back out to their boat, the Krait, a Japanese fishing vessel commandeered by the Allies in 1941. Shortly before dawn, the limpet mines detonated sending all seven ships to the bottom. The Allied force had traveled over 3,000 miles round trip from Western Australia, slipped into and out of Singapore harbor completely undetected by Japanese military forces and dealt a major blow to One Asia under Nippon¹.

Operation Jaywick was a roaring success.

On October 10th, in what was to become known after the war as The Double Tenth Incident, the Kempeitai, Japan's answer to the Gestapo, moved into action. Major Sumida Haruzo raided the Changi internment camp, long suspected of subversive activities, and rounded up 57 men and women, including an Anglican bishop, the Right Reverend John Leonard Wilson, Lord Archbishop of Singapore.

Major Haruzo set about getting what is now called "actionable intelligence" from the prisoners, so as to round up any other saboteurs and in order to prevent future attacks.

His methods were brutal, and direct, and in his mind, completely justified in the interest of "national security".

One of Haruzo's methods of torture was waterboarding, an interrogation technique dating from the enlightened days of the Spanish Inquisition. Today, waterboarding is touted by people who have never undergone the procedure as a "harsh" method of interrogation that is in no way torture, despite the extreme mental and physical pain it causes, and the risk of lung/brain damage, broken bones and death. Back in 1943, they didn't bother with word games. The security of Imperial Japan justified all.

In 1946 Lt. Col Haruzo and 20 others was tried by the Allies for war crimes. Among the crimes listed was waterboarding. In the course of the trial it was noted that a number of prisoners did, in fact, confess to involvement in the sabotage and implicated other people as accomplices. This, despite the fact that NO ONE picked up by the Kempeitai was involved in the attack, or even knew who had pulled it off.

Of the 57 men and women swept up in post 9/27 Singapore, 14 people would die, 12 from the torture and abuse they received at the hands of the Japanese, one from suicide and another by execution.

At the end of the trial, Sumida Haruzo and seven other members of his staff were sentenced to death by hanging, three were given life sentences, one 15 years and two eight year sentences.

And at the time, what lessons did the world take away from the Double Tenth Trial?

1) That the civilized nations of the world would not tolerate the barbaric torture of people in war time, even people suspected of what would today be called "terrorist acts".

2) That waterboarding was a war crime and warranted swift and severe punishment for those who used it.

3) That as a means of gathering "intelligence" to prevent future attacks and as a means of extracting confessions, torture was useless. None of the people tortured knew anything, but many told their interrogators what they wanted to hear in order to get the pain to stop. It wasn't until after the war that Haruzo learned that it was Australian commandos who destroyed the ships in Singapore harbor, not local partisans.

Despite these lessons, there are Americans today who believe that waterboarding is not torture, and even if it is, it is a perfectly useful tool in the "war on terror". Sadly, many of these Americans are in positions of leadership, up to and including the so-called president of the United States, who have debased our nation with this belief, and tainted the American soul with this belief.

The spirit of the Changi interment camp is alive and well today, and is called Guantanamo. In it, and in many other secret places, the heirs of Sumida Haruzo ply his trade in the name of "national security".

But, of course, what is happening now is completely different than what happened in Singapore. After all, we're the good guys!

But will history judge us any differently than it has the Spanish Inquisition and Imperial Japan?

¹ - Details from the book Trial of Sumida Haruzo and twenty others, Haruzo, S. (1951).
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:32 AM
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1. K&R
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:33 AM
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2. K&R
"After all, we're the good guys!"

That says it all...
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:35 AM
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3. This will be Bush's legacy
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:39 AM
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4. Kicked and highly recommended!
Thanks for the thread, Kelvin Mace.:thumbsup:
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:00 PM
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5. If only dubya, dick and the others
could get the same fate as those Japanese torturers...
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:03 PM
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6. bush/cheney are going to be brought to Justus for all these crimes before this is all over and done
I don't care what anyone tries to tell me otherwise I will always believe that pay day is coming. At least all the way up to their, bush/cheney, being told by someone somewhere that they are free to go that is, but it'll be then and only then. They simply cannot walk away from all this carnage as free men.
As my sig line says I believe
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:42 PM
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9. I really hope you are right
but I don't have a lot of faith that they will be punished.

The Dem leadership has so far REFUSED to punish Bush or even talk about punishing him. They act as though people are insane for even suggesting he is guilty of war crimes.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:10 PM
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7. Bookmarking. Thanks for that.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:26 PM
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8. You know, our myth of the moral high ground we took in WWII is crumbling
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 12:29 PM by Hydra
Like 9/11 being used to excuse crimes, the myth that we did what we did in the name of justice at the time is wearing thin.

It is becoming increasingly clear that we simply did what any other superpower does when it wins a war- it buries its enemies so that they may never rise again, like the salting of Carthage.

We have proven ourselves to be the new evil empire, because we feel invulnerable.

Very educating to watch what people do when they think there will be no repercussions.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:05 PM
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11. All of this has been done before
that is the sad part. None of this wasn't predicted.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:33 PM
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10. Double kick with a half gainer. n/t
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:12 PM
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12. Final kick for the night crowd. n/t
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:18 PM
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13. Here's that cross-posted website:
http://www.thoughtcrimes.org/s9/index.php?/archives/2351-If-only-the-Japanese-had-called-it-harsh-interrogation,-nobody-would-have-been-hanged.html and here's it's homepage: http://www.thoughtcrimes.org/s9/

That looks like a website well worth following, and one I had never seen before. Thanks for the heads up!

pnorman
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:06 AM
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16. Shucks....
people will think I am paying for endorsements like that.

(surreptitiously passes suitcase full of money under the table)

:)
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:58 AM
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14. "Moonshiners routinely tortured defenseless tax collectors."
I heard that phrase the other day on a History Channel documentary. The accompanying graphic was a historical drawing of a drowning torture sorry, waterboarding.

Perhaps if they called it "enhanced taxpayer advocacy" it would have been acceptable?

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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:03 AM
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15. Once upon a time
government lived in fear of the people. Today, people live in fear of the government.

I am not saying we should have a Whiskey Rebellion every day, but Holy Nyarlathotep people have gotten complacent.
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