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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:28 PM
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I know I'll be accused of oversimplication.....
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 04:34 PM by Political Heretic
But I really believe you can pretty much trace almost all of the slow but sometimes briefly interrupted, but ultimately persistent downward decline of this country toward its eventual collapse back to one specific day in 1886.

Anyone know what it was?


:)

EDIT - I mean what the event was, not the day....and I'm not "schooling" here... just having a little fun.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:30 PM
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1. January 29th?
I love Wikipedia.
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:32 PM
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2. Nope, May 17th
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:36 PM
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16. The day we were railroaded?
:D
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:33 PM
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4. Erm... I don't think so. But I thinking more what the event was, not the day.
What event were you thinking?

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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:33 PM
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7. .........
January 29 - Karl Benz patents the first successful gasoline-driven automobile.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:57 PM
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26. Ah yeah I wikied that...... that would be an interesting one too...from an environmental perspective
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:33 PM
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8. Would it have anything to do with . . .
a court decision that corporation could be treated as a person (sue and be sued; etc)?
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:32 PM
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3. Now that's patently absurd.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 04:35 PM by Gidney N Cloyd
;)
(referring to Jan. 29 here)
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:33 PM
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5. McCain's birthday?
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:33 PM
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6. LOL!!
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:36 PM
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12. his 30th? nt
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:34 PM
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9. John Deere died
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 04:35 PM by aikoaiko

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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:36 PM
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13. Heh! I did not know that bit of trivia :)
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:34 PM
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10. I thought it was 1868
on July 6th (GWB's birthday). When the corporations were granted the rights of person hood when the 14th amendment was passed.

No small wonder that *'s the poster dude for corporate america.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:35 PM
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11. Nope it was 1886 (at last according to reference included) and that's what I was referring to.
Supreme Court ruling in 1886 ... arguably set the stage for the full-scale development of the culture of capitalism, by handing to corporations the right to use their economic power in a way they never had before. Relying on the Fourteenth Amendment, added to the Constitution in 1868 to protect the rights of freed slaves, the Court ruled that a private corporation is a natural person under the U.S. Constitution, and consequently has the same rights and protection extended to persons by the Bill of Rights, including the right to free speech. Thus corporations were given the same “rights” to influence the government in their own interests as were extended to individual citizens, paving the way for corporations to use their wealth to dominate public thought and discourse. The debates in the United States in the 1990s over campaign finance reform, in which corporate bodies can “donate” millions of dollars to political candidates stem from this ruling although rarely if ever is that mentioned. Thus, corporations, as “persons,” were free to lobby legislatures, use the mass media, establish educational institutions such as many business schools founded by corporate leaders in the early twentieth century, found charitable organizations to convince the public of their lofty intent, and in general construct an image that they believed would be in their best interests. All of this in the interest of “free speech.”

— Richard Robbins, Global Problems and the Culture of Capitalism, (Allyn and Bacon, 1999), p.100
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:41 PM
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Well according to this I had the year right and the date wrong by 3 days
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

which is weird because I had gotten the previous info off wikipedia a while ago.

But ya never know with them.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:36 PM
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14. Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad.
1886

right?
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:37 PM
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17. Yeah, but I gave the 'why'.
;-)
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:52 PM
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21. well, la dee da
:D

:hi:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:53 PM
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22. And tutti fruitti too!
:hi:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:36 PM
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15. Santa Clara County vs Southern Pacific Railroad Co.
Yes, Wiki IS your friend:
The US Supreme Court rules on Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Co., granting corporations the same rights as living persons.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:53 PM
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23. hey...I was just thinking
if indeed corporations are people, and waterboarding is ok, can we waterboard Halliburton? :shrug:
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:57 PM
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25. lol awesome.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:39 PM
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18. I love DU. A lot. :)
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:41 PM
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19. Interestingly, Thom Hartmann, brilliant man that he is, says this never happened
the Supreme Court ruled no such thing in 1886. The 'corporations are persons' ruling was a fiction created by the court’s reporter. He simply wrote the words into the headnote of the decision. The words contradict what the court actually said. There is, in fact, in the US National Archives a note by the Supreme Court Chief Justice of the time explicitly informing the reporter that the court had not ruled on corporate personhood in the Santa Clara case.

— Thom Hartmann, Dinosaur War, The Ecologist, December/January 2002 Issue


Obviously Hartmann shares the accurate critical analysis of the rise of corporate power as the rest of us, he just points out --- if correct -- that even the sort of triggering event of the rise of corporation was based on a distortion and manipulation of reality.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:44 PM
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20. Have you read his
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 04:44 PM by TransitJohn
book Unequal Protection?
It's great.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:56 PM
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24. No I'm a bit on the poor side right now - its on my wish list! :)
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