I. One Tick Closer to Midnight
Last Friday, Dick Cheney was in Saudi Arabia for high-level meetings with the Saudi king and his ministers. On Saturday, it was revealed that the Saudi Shura Council -- the elite group that implements the decisions of the autocratic inner circle -- is preparing "national plans to deal with any sudden nuclear and radioactive hazards that may affect the kingdom following experts' warnings of possible attacks on Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactors," one of the kingdom's leading newspapers, Okaz, reports. The German-based dpa news service relayed the paper's story.

Simple prudence -- or ominous timing? We noted here last week that an American attack on Iran was far more likely -- and more imminent -- than most people suspect. We pointed to the mountain of evidence for this case gathered by scholar William R. Polk, one of the top aides to John Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and to other indicators of impending war. The story by Okaz -- which would not have appeared in the tightly controlled dictatorship without approval from the top -- is yet another, very weighty piece of evidence laid in the scales toward a new, horrendous conflict.

We don't know what the Saudis told Cheney in private -- or even more to the point, what he told them. But the release of this story now, just after his departure, would seem to be a clear indication that the Saudis have good reason to fear a looming attack on Iran's nuclear sites and are actively preparing for it.

II. A Nuclear Epiphany in Iran?
And they certainly should be bracing themselves. A U.S. attack on Iran will come suddenly, and if it is indeed aimed at destroying Iran's nuclear capabilities -- a "threat" being talked up again with new urgency by both Cheney and Bush lately -- it has the potential for unimaginable consequences. As we noted here in a previous piece:

Twelve hours. One circuit of the sun from horizon to horizon, one course of the moon from dusk to dawn. What was once a natural measurement for the daily round of human life is now a doom-laden interval between the voicing of an autocrat's brutal whim and the infliction of mass annihilation halfway around the world.

Twelve hours is the maximum time necessary for American bombers to gear up and launch an unprovoked sneak attack – a Pearl Harbor in reverse – against Iran, the Washington Post reports. The plan for this "global strike," which includes a very viable "nuclear option," was approved months ago, and is now in operation. The planes are already on continuous alert, making "nuclear delivery" practice runs along the Iranian border, as Sy Hersh reports in the New Yorker, and waiting only for the signal from President George W. Bush to drop their payloads of conventional and nuclear weapons on some 400 targets spread throughout the condemned land.

And when this attack comes – either as a stand-alone "knock-out blow" or else as the precusor to a full-scale, regime-changing invasion, like the earlier aggression in Iraq – there will be no warning, no declaration of war, no hearings, no public debate. The already issued orders governing the operation put the decision solely in the hands of the president: he picks up the phone, he says, "Go" – and in twelve hours' time, up to a million Iranians could be dead.

This potential death toll is not pacificist hyperbole; it comes from a National Academy of Sciences study sponsored by the Pentagon itself, as The Progressive reports. (Although Bush's military brass like to peddle the public lie that "we don't do body counts" of the enemy, in reality, like all good businessmen they keep precise accounts of their production outputs: i.e., corpses.) The Pentagon's NAS study calibrated the kill-rate from "bunker-busting" tactical nukes used to take out underground facilities – such as those which house much of Iran's nuclear power program.

Another simulation by scientists, using Pentagon-devised software, was even more specific, measuring the aftermath of a "limited" nuclear attack on the main Iranian underground site in Esfahan, the magazine reports. This small expansion of the Pentagon franchise would result in stellar production figures: three million people killed by radiation in just two weeks, and 35 million people exposed to dangerous levels of cancer-causing radiation in Afghanistan, Pakistan and India. Bush has about 50 nuclear "earth-penetrating weapons" at his disposal, according to the Union of Concerned Scientists.

Nor is the idea of a nuclear strike on Iran mere "liberal paranoia." Bush himself pointedly refused to take the nuclear option "off the table" this week. But what's more, Bush has made the use of nuclear weapons a centerpiece of his "National Security Strategy of the United States," issued last month, The Progressive notes. While reaffirming the criminal principle of "pre-emptive" attacks on perceived enemies which may or may not be threatening America with weapons they may or may not possess, Bush declared that "safe, credible and reliable nuclear forces continue to play a critical role" in the "offensive strike systems" that are now a key part of America's "deterrence."

more at link: http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1463/135/

The evil bastards.

What are they up to?

It worries me. An Iranian Attack? god, I hope not.

Problem: Pentagon brass won't go along with NeoCon plan to Nuke Iran.

Solution: Get Israel's neoCons to bomb the Iranian Nuclear Plants just like they did Saddam's back when.

Iran retaliates against our ali Israel, and the US warships just off shore of Iran since we control the airspace over Iraq, and obviously signed off on the attack. Lots and lots of Iranian anti-ship missiles, and only one needs to get through to destroy a ship. Several US ships, maybe even an older carrier sunk into gulf. Maybe up to 10 THOUSAND US sailors dead in a couple of hours.

So now who in the Pentagon or Congress would not go along with an all out attack on Iran.

Now we get to Bomb-Bomb-Bomb, Bomb-Bomb-Iran. (And maybe Syria too while we are at it.)


Results:
Total Control of mid-east oil. Suck on that China..
Double again oil company profits.
And someone has to build those new Carrier battle group ships and Planes.
Chimpy gets to honor our "fallen heroes" so his ratings go up.


Who is going to vote for those wimpy Democrats: Hello President McSame and VP Joe Lie-berman. The Senate is GOP as well.

NeoCon Grand Slam!

I'm quite worriednow.

I've been saying all along...It all begins and ends with impeachment. Not impeaching this administration will haunt us forever. It's the only way of stopping this madness.

for NOT impeaching.
as if impeachment would do any good. bush would just declare martial law.

the other gruesome thing to his nuking the Middle East is that our miliitary are there, won't live long enough to even need medical and retirement benefits.
Does he not know the wind blows across the planet??????????
Only positive thing is Bush and cheney and rice hasve been to middle east..
oh yeah, and McCain, so they sucked up some of the existing radioactive dust, perhaps.

...that there is no guarantee that Iran will retaliate. The Iranians have to realize what the consequences will be.

So, cynic that I am, I think that if this is the scenario that plays out, Iran will retaliate whether or not the Iranians do it themselves.

A more likely scenario is that some accident will occur with US assets in the region and the Iranians will get the blame.

Any opportunity will be used, even if it is false "intelligence."

On the other hand, the administration has had trouble getting traction for it's propaganda. They have been drumming that drum but no one is getting worked up. In desperation, they may just do it without "provocation" of any kind. They have nothing to lose.

We will stage a retaliation if one doesn't occur from Iran. Easy enough to do.

My family is suffering through this enough as it is, with loved ones over there already, and barely getting by financially here now - if the neocons kill thousands upon thousands of Iranians I believe we will have a strong vocal march against the regime.

...Bush declared that "safe, credible and reliable nuclear forces continue to play a critical role" in the "offensive strike systems" that are now a key part of America's "deterrence."
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In the depraved jargon of atomic warmongering, a "credible" nuclear force is one that can and will be used in the course of ordinary military operations. It is no longer to be regarded as a sacred taboo. This has long been the dream of the Pentagon's "nuclear priesthood" and its acolytes, going back to the days of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. For decades, a strong faction within the American power structure has been afflicted with a perverted craving to unleash these weapons once more. An almost sexual frustration can be discerned in their laments as time and again, in crisis after crisis, their counsels for "going nuclear" were rejected – often at the very last moment. To justify their abberant desire, they have relentlessly demonized an ever-changing array of "enemies," painting each one as an imminent, overwhelming threat, led by "madmen" in thrall to pure evil, impervious to reason, fit only for destruction. Evidence for the "threat" is invariably exaggerated, manipulated, even manufactured; this ritual cycle has been enacted over and over, leading to many wars – but never to that ultimate, orgasmic release.

Now this paranoid sect has at last seized the commanding heights of American power...they have found a most eager disciple in the peevish dullard strutting in the Oval Office. Under their sinister tutelage, Bush has eviscerated 40 years' worth of arms control treaties; officially "normalized" the use of nuclear weapons, even against non-nuclear states; rewarded outlaw proliferators like India, Israel and Pakistan; and is now destroying the last and most effective restraint on the spread of nuclear weapons: the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

The treaty guarantees its signatories – such as Iran – the right to establish nuclear power programs in exchange for rigorous international inspections. But Bush has arbitrarily decided that Iran – whose nuclear program undergone perhaps the most extensive inspection process in history – must end its lawful activities. Why? Because the country is led by "madmen" in thrall to pure evil, impervious to reason, who one day may or may not threaten America with weapons they may or may not have....

So the NPT is dead. As with the Geneva Conventions and the U.S. Constitution, it now means only what Bush says it means. Force of arms, not rule of law, is the new world order. The attack on Iran is coming...The obvious, murderous insanity of such a move in no way precludes its implementation by this gang – as their invasion of Iraq clearly shows.

The nuclear sectarians have waited decades for this moment. Such a chance may never come again. Will they let it pass, when with just a word, in just twelve hours, they can see their god rising in a pillar of fire over Persia?

***

Our own NIE report stated that Iran has no nuclear program. Yet here is McBush/Cheney/Lieberman/Graham the usual war supporting liars trying to show how tough they are instead of being smart. We have to live with the horror, with the fear of what this president might do next, because Pelosi refuses to put impeachment on the table...it's not too late if it will prevent an attack on Iran and the death of a million Iranians and a new war.

attention to history.

This must not happen. They're insane.

At least Fallon kept it from going.

Impeach Now?

descending on D.C. MILLIONS STRONG

IMMEDIATELY.

Cheney is pushing the button.

nt.

when is Idol?

Americans will NOT descent in the tens of thousands on DC, this time along. Americans did for Iraq, the press didn't cover it

So unless you have a way to get those millions to do more than sing and scream forget it.

;-) :hug:

and my dream is a national strike that lasts for months... and ends up in those idiots stepping down, them being turned over to the World Court, et al

See I can also dream

There is no crime in history that will equal it. George Bush will be in the books as one of worst monsters ever.

Who the hell is telling them that this is even an option under any circumstances.

There won't be any future.

one too many.

The pic is right for my screen tighten your window and you will get multiple rows!

What's Scott Ritter saying on this latest Cheney visit --- ?

the last 6 months, and were poo pooed for it on many occasions. I am certain that it is inevitable, because how else would these thugs stay in power and escape prosecution for there crimes?

Edited to say:

If they would do this, why should either Russia or China hold back from an attack on the US? After all, Iran is important for both of these countries.

And Russia and China will not hold back.

World War 3 is the * & Co plan.

:nuke:

anyone here know for sure?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation

Power balance in a multi-polar world

Together, SCO full and observer members form not only the world's biggest economic and military power, but also the world's biggest producer and consumer of energy. Moreover, SCO countries (full members and observers) comprise a hefty 25% of Earth's land area. Although the declaration on the establishment of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation contained a statement that it "is not an alliance directed against other states and regions and it adheres to the principle of openness", many observers believe that one of the original purposes of the SCO was to serve as a counterbalance to NATO and the United States and in particular to avoid conflicts that would allow the United States to intervene in areas near both Russia and China.<24> Some observers also believe that the organisation was formed as a direct response to the threat of missile defense systems by the United States, after the United States reversed course in its nuclear policy and began promoting National Missile Defense.

The United States applied for observer status in the SCO, but was rejected in 2005.<25>

At the Astana summit in July 2005, with the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq foreshadowing an indefinite presence of U.S. forces in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, the SCO urged the U.S. to set a timetable for withdrawing its troops from SCO member states. Shortly afterwards, Uzbekistan asked the U.S. to leave the K-2 air base.<26>

Recently the SCO has made no direct comments against the U.S. or its military presence in the region. However, several indirect statements at the past summits, including the 2007 summit in Bishkek, have been viewed as "thinly veiled swipes at Washington".<27>


Membership

Members

China
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Russia
Tajikistan
Uzbekistan

Observers

India
Iran
Mongolia
Pakistan

One hopes ...unless that's not the plan.

They've got nukes too and we'd be killing off some of their people with fallout as well.

...and you KNOW that China will have something to say about it...

"I also hope you are wrong but I just read that one of our nuclear subs just passed through the Suez Canal on its way to Iran. This made more nervous and now your article, I believe we will hit Iran soon, it will have to be when there is no moon let us all hope it doesn't happen but what frightens me even more is the possibility of no Elections in this Country since the President has sign in Executive Order 51 which deems him "dictator" and is able to shut the country down under martial law."

IMPEACH!

Please explain why it matters that there be no moon.

On edit: I just realized you were quoting comments from the site. So, any military people on board who can explain why it makes any difference to launch an attack from a nuclear sub with no moon? I thought launches could be made while a sub is submerged.

Can't believe I am even discussing such a nightmarish scenario. I recall some optimists thinking Cheney went to Saudi Arabia to jawbone down the oil prices! ! ! That would have been out of character for him, but starting WW III would be right up his alley.

makes it harder to see our forces and we own the night with night vision equipment. Even the Stealth bombers might be easier seen in moonlight! Especially if we had to put in ground forces to designate targets, Laser them.

Thank you for the information. As long as Cheney/Bush have power, we wake each morning wondering , as Dorothy Parker once said, "What fresh hell is this?"

love their numbers.

Is there one brave congressperson who would hold a press conference to expose these monsters? A solitary voice crying in the wilderness? I know for sure it would do no good to appeal to my DINO congressman, but surely someone, somewhere can shine a light on these cockroaches.

then it got real quiet? Then it was again imminent? Then it got quiet? NOW WHAT THE HELL?

month, remember?

(most trade to be made in Euros)

something must be done, to quell these thuggish criminals.

Was OPEC anounced right after Cheney's visit...oil prices will be dropping now until the end of 2008...

then it got real quiet? Then it was again imminent? Then it got quiet? NOW WHAT THE HELL?

Fallon resigned.

Who the fuck knows. They want to do it. They control the trigger. They need only a "sell-able reason". Will they create one?

Who the fuck knows?

For Jeff Gannon to make the ultimate sacrifice!.........
Bill Mahr spoke the truth!

It will be World War III ... and we'll be Germany! :scared:

Even if BushCo is confident that they won't be held accountable by Congress or US laws, do they honestly believe that the rest of the world will simply look the other way? We're not the only country that has nukes and if we open that door, others will certainly follow us through.

We're screwed! :nuke:

when is our crack Congress going to act on this, we have some very sick criminals, Bush and Cheney must go. The world will not sit idly by if these thugs go and attack Iran.

Nothing that would hurt the Royal family.
"Sources" will say the missile came from Iran.
By the time someone says it did not,
the fervor will have reached a fever pitch.
The press will feel compelled to not confuse listeners --
not confuse the ongoing message with the truth.
CON-mil-ind-cong-complex gets their nuke war,
This time with nukes.
Money-making nukes.
A Dem president...
can't stop it.
just pay it.
fund more.
Spend.
Tax.
US.
.

bomb,bomb Iran."

He has 3 times mentioned the lie/memory lapse that Al-Qaeda is getting training in IRan.

He's all aboard.

Cheney and McCain on spring break together in the Middle East. Bill Fallon sends up a warning flag in a national magazine. Shrub's medication increased to high levels of incoherence. I do believe it is happening.

"insurgentsssss", "terristsssss", he seems heavily medicated or drunk.

all the Mid East countries have been told to prepare
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1lQXt-G8iO8

But Iran is prepared also

Go back to sleep. Nothing to see here. Go shopping and buy some cheap ass Chinese crap. Gorge yourselves on more fast food. Ignore what's really going on in the world. Who cares how many troops are dead when we force feed you Paris and Brittney (the fact that MSNBC forces those stories on KO should tell you something) and missing white girls, and tell you THAT is what's really important.


I know that we here are aware of what's going on in the world. What will it take to wake up the rest of them? Maybe they'll get pissed off enough when American Idol is interrupted by news reports of our attack on Iran. Maybe then they'll care when gas hits $5.00 a gallon. Maybe then they'll protest when their sons and daughters get drafted to fight yet another war.



Too little too late.

:kick:

It won't really surprise me.

the nuke dust will only kill those they hate, that someone elses' sons and daughters will die for the "good cause", that what they are doing is the right thing.

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO AMERICA?

We got religion. "God told (Bush) to make war," and all God's children voted for him.
Congratulations to the Baptists and all the other fundamentalists, evangelicals, and neocons.
Your desire to validate the existence of hell may be fulfilled.

not that i am against religion... but how many wars have been waged in the name of God? too damn many.

Impeach the asswipe and that would put an end to this lunacy.

n/t

maybe it will take consequences that no media can talk away to wake the people the hell up...

As for WWIII being "the plan", spending the rest of your life in a nuclear shelter, reigning over a wasteland that was once a great country through martial law and eating your oil and war dollars for dinner sure sounds like the prospect I'd expect cheney to look forward to.

Or maybe they hope that ronald's star wars works, lol.

But seriously, what do they expect will happen when they attack? Iran will just sit around, china, russia?? With the US military stretched thin and exhausted, an attack is the dumbest possible move. Maybe a few aircraft carriers get "lost" in the process, american idol is taken off and then American public becomes ready to tar and feather these bastards, along with the Democratic "leadership".


Anyone here know the game "Civilization", I keep being reminded of this game when thinking about all this...

Whole underground cities, population 10,000. Elite and chosen servants only.

The whole world is covered in nuclear winter...they're nice and cozy underground.

Aboveground, the struggle for basic survival erases all of our technological advances. Savagery rules.

The "elite" keep their technological level. Things like railguns and microwave cannons. They'll be seen as gods coming down from Olympus, in about 1-2 generations.

Lovely vision of the future, eh? All because we wouldn't stand up to them in a meaningful way.

ForeignSpectator

I do know the game Civilization, and what it can come to, when you wage a war, you can not by any means can win.. Specially after the Manhattan program, the whole concept of war, is pointless.. Because if you use it, another country can use it on you...

And I fear if US was to use it or for the sake of the lord, every one else who have the capacity, it would end in something we don't want or would survive.. A nuclear Holocaust of historic perspections... If US was to use it on Iran, by lie, and if an russian, or a Chinese was been hurting, or killed, both this country would retaliate.. Either by other means, or by trowing some ICBM the way of the american west and east coast... And weld the next would be to horrible to think about...

I really believed that the fear of a nuclear holocaust was something we would have to leave behind, as something in the past.. Today we still fear a nuclear holocaust, we who keep a tab of something then.. The whole case is so dangerous, that the country who use nuclear weapon, would be shunned for the next 100 year or so... The whole concept, that US without reaction could use nuclear weapon against another country is just criminal.. It is possible that mr Bush and mr Cheney would have that missile shield up and running as fast as possible, when they want to use NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST IRAN before the election november...

This is just horrible to think about.. A nightmare I really fear... Everyone here seen the old movie "The day after"?.. A old movie from the early 1980s, where US and Soviet was waging war with each other, and the result was the destroying of both US and Soviet. Specially US who was destroyed, and occupied by russian/Japanese forces. The movie was concentration about what happened to a community right before, under and specially after a nuclear bomb had destroyed much of Denver City... (If i am not totally wrong). And the whole country was tearing apart, and everyone was to their own devises...
The book was longer, and more detailed, everyone who want to get a copy could maybe find in in some antic stores, or a flee marked.. Or maybe en on Amazon.com.... It is a book many should read, if they want that...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

Hey Diclotican,

I agree, it's totally horrible to imagine everything that might happen after an Iran attack.

The reason I like that game is, among others, that it would model what is happening to America right now quite well. War is a pretty costly thing, especially if your form of government is a democracy and a quagmire like Iraq would really cut into your budget and start to hurt your economy. War becomes a real luxury and bears cost in so many ways and the game models it quite well so there should be a really good reason for it. Like reality, wow!
Besides, with most of my ground units and fleet concentrated in one place, the gulf, I would NEVER risk, all by myself, a conflict to which multiple enemies could respond. Also, I wouldn't risk pissing off enemies that also have nuclear weapons, like you said.

I would if I wanted to suicide.

May sound silly but that seems to be what they are bound to do and even the game knows how wrong it is.


BTW, you still play the game? Haven't had time for it in years but would love to play again... :hi:

ForeignSpectator

Hello my friend;)

War is maybe the most expensive thing a nation can do. Big or small.. It cost much more than everyone believed in the first place. And if you have a democracy, you would find your in more problem, from inside than outside.. A Democracy can just take a war so long, and no longer.. And I fear when US are waking up, and se what happened when they was sleeping at the wheel it would be difficult to fix it... And if america believed the end of Vietnam to be difficult for the nation.. Well I don't know what would happened if american weapon was to loose in Iraq.. Well american weapon may have lost it already, but don't know about it yet...

The CIV series is amazing.. Have been playing the game for, good lord how many year.. I have _all_ the games, from CIV1 who come in 1989! to CIV4 who came last year I believe.. And I have lost and won many games. My game concept is to be "big" but have a friendly nabour policy. Rather than go to war with others, I build cities, and make a best possible civ for my self.. And I often win that way.. Have a big stick but don't use it, if you don't need to use it... And if you have to use military force, do it when you have the upper hand, and don't spoil it to go after some yew el.. And if the other CIV would make peace.. Then make peace. But still just keep a military presence, to the other side understand that war is just stupid, and make a peace pact....

The best is to have a big economy, and peace and trade with the nabour, in CIV you can do that.. And even get a decent sum of money back when the trade is there...

Never have multiple enemies who can attack you on many sides.. Have been losing many games when overstretch and discover that the other sides was bigger, and meaner than your self.. Split et impera is a old latin saying.. Split your enemies, treat the one nice, the other mean, take the weaker out, and then... Well it is up to the other side to se that you can beat him really hard... In conventional means then... If you have 200 modern armory, and the other side just 20, the other side decide very quick that the best is to make peace...

To use nuclear weapon, in game as in real life is madness.. Because the days when US, and Russia was alone with the nuck are over, and have been that for a long time.. Maybe mr Cheney, and mr Bush was to be told that more than 8 nation now have the capacity to nuck Washington DC to a pile of rubles.. And if you use nuclear devices, even low yielded the case is that a nuclear device is a nuclear device, with the same end result, as you are using a bigger nuclear device. And if I am not wrong, many of specially iranian sites are deep in caves, or underground, so it would be difficult to use nuclear bomb, if you don't want to kill many civilians.. Off course US citizen in America would not be known what happened in Iran, before the have been going a decade of more.. As it was when US blow up Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945.. And the nuclear devices of today, is much better than the fat man and little man was in 1945, when less than 10% of the bomb was exploding as a result of critical mass...

Well, I believe the programmer(s) of that game have been treating the whole scenario with some seriously. It is a reason the game have been that popular from the start in 1989... And that CIV2 officially was selling over 17 million copies.. The real number is maybe twice or more that number...

Yes I still play the game.. Have been playing CIV3 for the most part, and it is maybe the game I have played the most... Even when compared to Flight simulator from Microsoft.. In fact I played the game for a hour ago;) And it STILL have a appeal to me. Even after all this years

It would take some time, a night or two:P.. But it is wort it, if you are victorious;)

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language

What a mess these people have made..

retired Generals to stop these SOB's from doing this horrific thing, they have to be stopped, I feel like we are living in a pressure cooker.

:nuke:

He must be stopped. The world let us have the Sudetenland, but if we push for Poland, we will have gone too far.

:(

-Laelth

Office including "Nancy, Off the Table, Pelosi"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=347411&mesg_id=347411

Bush, Cheney, Pelosi, Reid... where do we start? I agree with you again, Laelth, Bush does need to go (and has needed to be impeached for a long time) and it amazes me that hearings have not yet started.

President Clinton is impeached for a minor sexual indiscretion, and George Bush is allowed to prance around the world killing people at will. It is insane.

adds a signing statement, he must be impeached immediately. Start the calls and do it now before he strikes. rec'd

won't that too late by then, we need to preempt these thugs before they do this.

he wants to do with regard to Iran:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Freedom_and_Support_Act

After the OP's link wouldn't work, I googled the web name and tried that link. No go. Then I went to Wikipedia and tried the link with their article - again, nada. Has the author been whisked to Guantanamo?

:puke:

She could care less what "the little people" think - she is no different from Cheney and Bush. They are the deciders.

And if you dare to speak out, watch out. Off to Gitmo you will go. Or if you're on the Empress' sidewalk in San Francisco, off to jail you will go. She will just claim you looked homeless. And then make sure you are.

Rome is burning. The Empress sits there. Listening to the Emperor fiddle away.

". . . safe, credible and reliable nuclear forces. . . ."

Who told the moron in chief that any nuclear weapons were "safe"?

That is even more worrisome.

Who knows , this keeps coming up about the same time each year since 2002 . The thing that concerns me is that it keeps coming up and each time if seems more and more possible as their time is now running out to pull off this attack and maybe trigger WW III .

I don't have a shelter and I don't have money so if this does happen then I suppose at one point I will become dust in the wind and all of this horror will be out of my mind .

Hell we don't live in america any longer , we have been in a state of hell on earth , not the same sort of state of hell that Iraq is in or other countries or to that point yet but we are surely getting there more and more each passing day .

Most of the population ignores the wars and do not care they are focused on the elections and the stock market and buying gold . Or they are so far into poverty they can't even begin to get involved .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=152039&mesg_id=152039

Just to clarify, that thread is one year old. And none of that compares to the major movement spotted just before election day, 2006. I think they really were gonna go for it that time, but the election results made it impossible for the Bush Administration to pull it off.

I think they will deliver air strikes against Iran, but it will be after election day this year. Recall that Poppy Bush tried to start at least two wars in his last ninety days.

According to the memo leaked by Tony Blair's office, Bush wanted to "paint a U-2 plane with UN colors to provoke Saddam into shooting it down."

The suggestion was shot down by Blair, but it proves the False Flag m.o. of the Neocons.

Expect a False Flag to start the Iran Attack.

Hersh and many others have been writing about this for years now and it has never come to fruition. There is no political support for an attack against Iran at all in the US military, the Congress or anywhere else except maybe Israel and rabidly pro-Israeli circles. I am quite skeptical that there will be an attack on Iran.

The political support is not there, now. But, we've seen how easily support can be manufactured. I have gone from fully expecting it, to realizing that it is an impossibility to expecting it again.

But I suspect there would have to be a lot of manufacturing - like an "Iranian" nuclear weapon destroying an American city.


That would be so horrific and unbelieveable - impeachment would not be necessary.

:argh:

that will take care of the pesky global warming problem.... :sarcasm:

After all Sagan said that we may cross to nuclear winter with about 100 warheads... we use forty... you think other nuclear powers will NOT supply the other sixty?

I am so damn glad I am living so close to a primary target... will not have to live to see the end of this

unless they already have bunkers there to (try to) "survive" the fallout...

on the other hand, chainy, chimpy, and rumsferatu R so(?) good at "planning" they MUST have "foreseen" that "little" detail...

You mean, not the "big" guys. Just the "little" guys, like those who get the small paychecks & drink their poisoned water.

Agreed.

in 2008, so he's gonna poison the well.

I'll say it again: HE'S GONNA POISON THE WELL. He's going to start a catastrophic nuclear conflict at the very end of his term, leaving a huge mess for the new Dem president to clean up. If he does so, I submit that we arrest him the very second our Dem is sworn in, and grant him an exceedingly swift trial, conviction, sentencing, and punishment. One day should suffice.

All the signs are pointing to the attack coming very soon. Starting, of course, with Cheney's visit.

I have been predicting this for the past year. No way does Bush leave office - if he does so at all - without attacking Iran.

Here's an excerpt from the article you link to:

Iran 'behind Green Zone attack'

Gen Petraeus said he was surprised how Sunnis turned against al-Qaeda

The most senior US general in Iraq has said he has evidence that Iran was behind Sunday's bombardment of Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone.

Gen David Petraeus told the BBC he thought Tehran had trained, equipped and funded insurgents who fired the barrage of mortars and rockets.

He said Iran was adding what he described as "lethal accelerants" to a very combustible mix.

There has as yet been no response from Iran to the accusations. . .

This could get bumpy...to say the least.

All we need is an internal incident and the shrub gets his Dictator-ship...

Iranians they should be dragged to a dungeon in the Hague.

The original Pentagon estimate (circa 2006) was they needed three carrier groups to execute an attack on Iran.

Iran 'behind Green Zone attack'
Edited on Mon Mar-24-08 05:06 PM by bemildred
Source: BBC

The most senior US general in Iraq has said he has evidence that Iran was behind Sunday's bombardment of Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone.

Gen David Petraeus told the BBC he thought Tehran had trained, equipped and funded insurgents who fired the barrage of mortars and rockets.

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"The rockets that were launched at the Green Zone yesterday, for example... were Iranian-provided, Iranian-made rockets," he said, adding that the groups that fired them were funded and trained by the Quds Force.

"All of this in complete violation of promises made by President Ahmadinejad and the other most senior Iranian leaders to their Iraqi counterparts."


Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7311565.stm

After reading this;

US 'deploys nuclear sub to Persian Gulf'

Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:46:06

USS Montpelier crossing the Suez Canal, Feb. 2003
An American nuclear submarine has crossed the Suez Canal to join the US fleet stationed in the Persian Gulf, Egyptian sources say.

Egyptian officials reported that the nuclear submarine crossed the canal along with a destroyer on Friday and Egyptian forces were put on high alert when the navy convoy was passing through the canal.

An American destroyer recently left the Persian Gulf, heading towards the Mediterranean Sea; earlier Thursday, a US Navy rescue ship crossed the canal to enter the Red Sea.

The deployment comes as recent reports allege that US Vice President Dick Cheney is seeking to rally the support of Middle Eastern states for launching an attack on Iran.

This is while US officials deny that Cheney's Mideast tour is linked to a possible military attack on Iran.

According to the latest reports, in recent months a major part of the US Navy has been deployed in and around the Persian Gulf.

The fleet is armed with nuclear weapons and cruise missiles and carries hundreds of aircraft and rapid reaction forces.

http://www.presstv. ir/detail. aspx?id=48682§ionid=351020205

I don't think plastic wrap and duct tape will help. :nuke: :hide:

:kick: & Rec

I've been trying for over an hour now. What's up with that?

"(NOTE: Apologies for the server problem that blocked access to this link for several hours on Monday)"

McCane will see to it that all BuchCo crimes remain behind national security and that the AG will not investigate. If McCane (intentionally misspelled) loses, then Bush II will pull a Bush I on his way out, but it won't be storming Somalia's beaches in front of reporters.
I can't imagine Cheney would give his bestest buddies, the Saudis, only two weeks notice. Eight months sounds more like it. Whether they actually use nukes is debatable, I know they are that tunnel visioned. As for them doing something to try to whip up some military glory beyond the surge, that is a given, as far as I'm concerned.
Maybe they'll just assassinate Chavez instead.
Easter is about a rebirth, but rebirth of the use of nukes couldn't have been what Jesus had in mind.

Thus far, Iran refuses to be spooked...

Then you'll know the attack is eminent. Personally, I still think it is contingency planning at this stage but with the clowns who occupy the White House you never know.

It could also give a big boost to McCain's campaign. What a nightmare scenario.

The US moves a nuclear sub into the Persian Gulf:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=102736

I more or less expect Bush & Cheney to be all about waging endless unchecked ME wars; they haven't been doing
this in secret, but in broad daylight. What I didn't expect was to see the Dem's in Congress to basically sit
back and issue "strongly worded letters" to cover their butts, and call it good. Now, having given Bush/Chency no
reason to think they will ever be held accountable for anything, no matter what the fuck they do, including
nuking Iran, we've given them a green light to wage another illegal ME war, and trigger WWIII. Unbelievable.

Sadly, this looks as bad for the Democratic Party as it does for Bush/Cheney, or maybe even worse -- what with
the US Constitution being declared "off the table" ... now we're seeing what happens when you leave these two
evil bastards with unchecked power, too much time on their hands and lots of fancy weaponry. Sadly, Democratic
complicity has successfully emboldened them to the point where now Cheney just says, "So?"...and on it goes.

Worried yet? Oh, I've been worried for a long, loooong time. The second *II took office I could have told you WWIII was eminent. The neo-fascist agenda is one to be terrified of, and always has been.

...The penny didn't drop for me on this thread until I read a different thread around here somewhere about a swift attack by the war criminals in the WH sometime before they have to leave...

NOW it makes sense...

Wow...we are soooooooooooooooooooo fucked if this happens....