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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:38 PM
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So last night my wife and I had a long talk about the economy...
We have been on a mission for the past 3 years to eliminate anything plastic from our home. We did this for environmental reason and mostly for health reasons.

We are very fortunate. We have no debt. Our home is paid off. We are in good to great health. Her kids are grown and are responsible adults. We grow a good portion of our veggies and we do our best to not eat anything processed.

So last night, I posed this question to her:
What do you think if we refrain from buying anything new for a year? Given the economy and the vanishing value of the dollar, we only restrict our "new" purchases to medication and food. And this is why I love this woman so much, she said, "okay" with a beautiful smile.

then I thought I would push the envelope a little, lol, I then said, "have you heard of the 100 mile diet?" She nodded slowly.

I then offered up a suggestion of trying it for a month. And see where it got us. She was a little hesitant on this one, but agreed on the month limit.

The next steps are to plan out the 100 mile diet sources.

This will be a very interesting challenge for the two of us.

But my reasoning behind it is two fold. Obviously the economy, but for me, it's also about peak oil and climate change.

As oil becomes too expensive thus driving up a gallon of gas, the price, as everyone on here can already see happening, will go up.

This is more of a dry run on what I believe will become a necessity very soon.

Anyone else up for the challenge?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:40 PM
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1. What is the 100-mile diet, walking or riding a bike to get anywhere?
And what state do you live in?
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:43 PM
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4. trying only to consume food produced within 100 miles n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:48 PM
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9. Ah! I think I'd starve here. nt
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:57 PM
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13. you may be surprised......
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 05:55 PM
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27. Thanks for the link!
There seem to be all kinds of homegrown goodies in my neck of the woods. Which reminds me: I have to till my garden this weekend.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:44 PM
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29. I have to re-till mine
but it needed it twice anyway and the kitchen garden is already started :bounce:
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:38 AM
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38. wonderful link!
Thank you so much for posting it! I have 68 hits when searching my zipcode. :bounce:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:43 AM
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40. Wow! THANKS!
What a great site. Bookmarked.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:51 PM
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11. That's not really reasonable here
since population outstripped arable land a hundred years ago.

Diet for a Small Planet I can do, have done, will probably keep doing.

I also spent a little over a decade not buying anything new except uniforms for work.

The thrift shop giveth and the thrift shop taketh away. Next stop would've been the dump...
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:52 PM
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12. oh wow... hm. i dont know but sounds interesting.... lol lord no way.
maybe if just hubby and i. we are older, and eating healthy but not anywhere close to you. we have two boys 13 and 10... not gonna happen.

but... cool for yawl

i would love hubby asking for all new purchases to stop a year. easy for me. not so easy for him. lol. though we are conservative
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:00 PM
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14. or at least just look into local CSA in your area
support your local farmers yanno?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:10 PM
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21. i will. i will do more of what you are suggesting anyway...
the fruit has gotten so bad in grocery store. cant wait for the fruit/veggie market to open this year.
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lutefisk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 10:40 PM
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32. Great concept, but I don't think I could survive on beer, brats, and cheese.n/t
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:40 AM
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39. Can't work here, no crawfish, shrimp, crab or lobster within 100 miles of Dallas
sorry.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:52 AM
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41. but I used to buy shrimp right off the boats in Galveston
that's not much further than 100 miles from Dallas

:shrug:
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 08:11 AM
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42. 310 miles to Galveston from here.

Yeah, not much further, huh?
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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:41 PM
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2. Please elaborate on the "100 mile diet".
:-)
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:08 PM
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18. Here is their link...
http://100milediet.org/

They can explain it much better than I can. :)
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Angela Shelley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 12:25 PM
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46. Thanks for the link, interesting concept!
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:42 PM
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3. I can hang with the 'no new stuff' since I got my (years delayed) eyeglasses
last week.

the 100 mile thing I can try. tougher here as there is no CSA or farmer's markets in the area

we only buy local beef, chicken and pork and our garden should be producing in a month or so....

I'm already giving it my best shot.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:44 PM
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5. I couldn't give up coffee
its not grown within 100 miles of me.
We also grow some vegetables and buy most produce at our local farmers markets...but neither my husband nor I are human beings before we have our coffee
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:11 PM
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22. I fear that will always be my exception too
for as long as I can get the stuff...
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:45 PM
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6. it will be the only way to survive, soon
The 100 mile diet means eating only things that are grown or produced within 100 miles of home.

With diesel fuel now topping $4 per gallon, there won't be an alternative, soon.

It's doable with food. But how about meds? Household products?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:47 PM
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7. also........
...you must realize that the 100 mile diet means never having another orange or banana for most people. No apples, for others. No tea.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:09 PM
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19. Luckily, in my area (texas) we can get oranges. Bananas, no. Apples, yes. :) nt
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:47 PM
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8. working on my veggie garden this spring. Keep us posted on how it goes....
n/t
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:09 PM
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20. Will do :) nt
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 03:48 PM
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10. no can do on the 100-mile diet- we eat way too much seafood, and i don't intend to give it up...
my cholesterol wouldn't like it too much either.

and i'm not going to be eating anything that comes out of lake michigan, or any of the rivers around here.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:00 PM
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15. seafood is high in cholesterol
Did you know that?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:13 PM
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23. Shellfish is; fin fish is not. But cholesterol in the diet isn't the problem -
saturated fat is the problem.

So, shrimp is not terrible. And neither are eggs, for that matter.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:14 PM
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24. the omega-3 oily fish are high in GOOD chlosterol...
i eat fish, not glorified water filters like shrimp or lobster.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 06:35 PM
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28. okay -- I just don't consider "seafood" to mean "fish"
I consider it to mean shellfish. Fish means fish to me. We all know fish is good.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:17 PM
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25. But they're high in Omega 3, 6
Which more than offsets any cholesterol problem. Fish and seafood is very healthy, as long as you don't fry it or drown it in butter.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:00 PM
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16. For the first time in my life I am trying to grow my own food.
And I live in an apartment. But is has a roomy terrace, so I'm giving it a go. Also, I'll be trying my best to localize my food consumption and reduce my un-necessary consumption of oil-based products.

I've already reduced my carbon footprint by eliminating ALL my to and from work driving. I actually changed careers. For 25 years I was a construction worker. I now work for an internet renewable energy products supplier. My S/O has also made adjustments. She used to work in a town 15 miles away. She now works less than one mile away.

I've also been stocking flour, rice, sugar, coffee, beans, assorted canned goods, and a bunch of other stuff.

I've been doing all of this for several reasons but the two most prominent reasons are our government response to Katrina and Peak Oil. The economic downturn we are currently experiencing wasn't even on my radar when I began to prepare for rough times. But now that we're heading for a depression, I'm extremely happy that I'm at least somewhat prepared and in the frame of mind to confront the coming challenges.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:02 PM
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17. lots of CSAs in Texas, google to see if one is near you
and I've got a veggie garden going too here in 'west of west texas'

:hi:
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 10:43 PM
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33. Green peppers are the easiest - they don't need bees!!
That was my first vegetable...and really the only one I've had much success with.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 04:46 PM
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26. Buy, build or invest in rickshaws and learn to weld. n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:53 PM
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30. Damn! I was just getting used to meat out Mondays! What's involved?
LOL
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:01 AM
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44. Check out my post #18. :) nt
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 09:09 PM
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31. what a challenge-luckily BF is organic farmer and our local farmer's market has a great selection
of veggies and even some grass fed beef.

What they need next is some local chicken.


A few weeks ago a Chico State student was interviewing all the famers at the market and finding out how far the food they were selling had traveled.

Their class is doing a project that will map (as the crow flies) the distance the food travels. She said they will display the final map at the famer's market when it is done.

It would be great if schools could do that for all the farmer's markets!

I do believe that the chicken I buy at trader joe's is raised just under 100 miles from here.

Now to start reading the labels of everything else I use.

I know that the 25 pound bag of Lundberg organic brown rice I bought today was grown about 15 miles from my house. :)

I also need to work on eliminating plastic from my house.

great idea!
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:48 AM
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34. You might find Animal Miracle Vegetable (Kingsolver) an interesting read. nt
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aroach Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:56 AM
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35. What if something breaks?
We are trying not to buy new stuff but the coffee maker broke and had to be replaced. If my stove or fridge went, it would have to be replaced.

Kids outgrow shoes and clothes too.

I don't think I can commit to no new stuff. Perhaps no new unnecessary stuff.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:32 AM
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37. You dont' have to buy NEW stuff
There's a lovely selection of coffee makers to be found at thrift stores and consignment shops.

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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 02:07 AM
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36. No way in hell
am I going to spend the effort trying to source 100 mile food radius. Sorry... work 50 hrs/week, go to school 8hr/week, commute 10hr/week. No time or energy to spend on this.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:50 AM
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43. bookmarked
interesting concept, need to read more
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 11:09 AM
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45.  If there is a Diet Coke and a Pringles factory near here..I'm in!
:)


(I'm a bad hypoglycemic)
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 01:17 PM
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47. LOL actually there is a coke plant about a mile from me. LOL to bad I can't stand the stuff LOL nt
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:31 PM
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48. I grew up on a farm and know how to grow my own food.
But, riding a bike or walking anywhere on the Ms. Gulf Coast is nearly impossible. They try to run you down. Plus, they apparently don't know what sidewalks are down here.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 04:40 PM
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49. I'd love to, but I'd have to find somewhere
within 100 miles that grows soy/makes tofu.

I'm up for trying though. Good idea!
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:12 PM
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50. Aren't petroleum products "new"? Are you going to ride bikes for the year?
It would be an excellent idea, for sure.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 05:18 PM
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51. Veggies, check. Eggs, check. Beef, check. Milk, check.
Pretty sure I can even find some wine & cheese around here. Bready stuff and oil/butter for cooking might be difficult, but my uncle's a raw vegan, so I can get some tricks from him.
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