Dangerous Randi Rhodes has been silenced

So, my favorite radio personality has been silenced.

Gee, I wonder, who benefits from this?

I remember when Randi was on CNN (live) and they couldn't hold a candle to her. The next time she was on, they didn't go live it was taped and edited to cut her off every time she made a point.

You see it all the time, when ever there is a "panel" the Republicans talk over the liberals, but only when they are making a good point. Try reading a transcript some time. The GOP are very good at it too.

But so is Randi.

Can't wait for you to come back!

...I hope she goes on The Colbert Report.

It would be awesome.

Don't under estimate

That is all.

and met the type, not necessarily CIA, but the type.

Trust me, they are not bastards, but cold, calculating professionals.

Or mercenary Vulcans born out-of-wedlock - regardless, they're still bastards.

:spray:

Theres not one bit of difference between those idiots and the neocons.

did you look closely at the names? :shrug:

Not to mention they took the name of a great Zep song. Were these people responsible for the suspension or are they just feeding their own egos?

Even so, she didn't deserve this kind of punishment.

then Randi openly supported Obama ---

damn sure!!

Malloy is already hinting about Nova-M wink wink.

She deserves better than Air America.

Florida, because she really misses her family. I wonder if this is something that's been in the works all along? I know the Greens are real big Hillary supporters, and I wonder if this latest faux pas is the excuse they'll use to finally get rid of her?

Sam Seder:

I’ll be filling in for Randi again tomorrow and maybe a couple of days next week. I spoke to Randi today before subbing for her. I’m not going to characterize her feelings- it’s not my place to do that.It’s true that I feel Randi has taught me nearly all that I know about radio and consider her a friend but that hasn’t affected my perspective on this.

Personally, I think this is ridiculous. That said, I do believe that the network has the right to take issue with it.

It’s a stand up routine- and it offended none of the people who paid to see it.... No one else had to watch that tape - it wasn’t presented on the airwaves, etc etc....Would I have used the words she did, no, but I can’t promise that they would be any less "offensive".

Anyway, I have no idea how long the suspension will be or when we will know or why it’s not set. I’m willing to sub for Randi but I don’t like the circumstances. I certainly don’t want someone sitting in her seat who’s going to be a management toady.


Stephanie Miller Sticks up for Randi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB1JZ__TV_Q


Janeane Garofalo sticks up for Randi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDYsWZnWtXs


Exercise YOUR right to freedom of speech - Let your voice be heard!!!

Petition to reinstate Randi: http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/reinstaterandi

EMAIL Air America: feedback@airamerica.com

AAR what a miserable mess they made.

Silenced is what happened to Imus.

oh well you read it

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/03/air-americas-randy-rhodes-suspended-we-did-it/#comments

By the way, I don't defend what she said, but the precedent this sets is chilling.

As to IMUS, he should have been suspended, and this one... lawyers are in the mix now. Will be a nice dust off

It's not precedent setting. If you have a contract in radio, you're never really off the clock. That's just how the industry is.

regardless this has all the looks of... a character assassination hit.

Who's next?

I don't hold any hope of that or this country becoming a better place any more

This is just one more piece of evidence that my cynicism is just growing to the point that I will vote, but don't expect anything in return... not before there is an actual, honest to goodness you know what... and that will not happen in my lifetime

Everything is compromised

...you know the GOP talkers have a different standard.

and we're more willing to listen to code.

Yes, that's right.

She wasn't at a bar with her pals shooting the shit--she was ON the clock at a gig for one of her network's affiliate stations. She just wasn't "ON" the radio.


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/air-america-host-suspended-for-clinton-remarks/
Ms. Rhodes used vulgar language that likened Mrs. Clinton to a prostitute at an event sponsored by KKGN, the Air America affiliate in the San Francisco area, on March 22. A video of Ms. Rhodes’ remarks was published to the video-sharing Web site YouTube on Tuesday, prompting condemnations by some bloggers.

why they are now up for a nice dust off with lawyers.

If you have a cite to back up your assertion, that would be helpful.

As I cited elsehwere

Ms. Rhodes used vulgar language that likened Mrs. Clinton to a prostitute at an event sponsored by KKGN, the Air America affiliate in the San Francisco area, on March 22. A video of Ms. Rhodes’ remarks was published to the video-sharing Web site YouTube on Tuesday, prompting condemnations by some bloggers.


I rather doubt that the AA suits don't know what's in the woman's contract. I'm sure they've consulted with their own legal team to ensure that they were within their rights.

I rather think that Ms. R. is the one getting the "dust off." But whatever. Fight the power, so women can call other women "Fucking Whores." That's what their predecessors marched in the streets for....ah, "sisterhood!"

why don't you go and try to find it.

I will NOT do your research.

By the way here is alink to the station

http://www.airamerica.com/blog/2008/apr/03/statement-air-america-radio-chair-charlie-kireker-1

Suspended to me, means suspended. I'd think, if there were any changes that MATTERED, that they'd be posted on the AIR AMERICA website.

And the chairman is the boss of any "program director."

Randi Rhodes can complain all she wants, and cry "breach of contract" till she's blue in the face, but she has no "right" to that microphone. It isn't HERS. It's her BOSS'S.

She hasn't been fired. She's just been suspended. She needs to suck it up, and maybe contemplate the meaning of the word "progressive." Using sexist slurs to express anger at women isn't the way to make your point. And it isn't funny.

... the contract does not negate her freedom of speech rights.

If her boss paid for Randi Rhodes to speak her mind as Randi Rhodes at that microphone, then it doesn't matter who owns the microphone. Her employer violated her free speech rights.

If Randi decides to take AAR to court over this, and I hope she does, AAR is going to find it impossible to explain away the fact that they hired her to bring in the crowds at that event *because of her reputation of being outspoken and irreverent of political correctness*.

They can't have it both ways unless it's in the contract and formally agreed to by Randi.

They can negotiate future contracts with that in mind, and maybe AAR should have done that before yesterday.

And an "indefinite suspension" is a firing. Unless they want to give her a paycheck and benes for doing no work.

She has no "right" not to be suspended. That isn't "her" microphone. Her employer can put the fucking JANITOR in her timeslot if he wants. She has no "right" to be on the air.

I hope she does go to court, and I hope the judge tosses her out on her ass. Then AAR can fire her, too.

Or even certain politicians. However, she attacks politicians every time she goes on the air, so AAR's implication that her attack on Clinton and Ferraro was something they couldn't have foreseen is a lie.

Randi can decide to agree to any restriction on her speech beforehand, but AAR is not legally allowed to make her employment contingent on unstated expectations of behavior or speech. Which is the only reason they're not firing her outright right now.

"She has no "right" not to be suspended. She has no "right" to be on the air."

I never said she had either of those rights, and her right to free speech isn't determined by who owns the microphone.

"Her employer can put the fucking JANITOR in her timeslot if he wants."

Sure, but if they violate the terms of their employment contract they can and should be sued for wrongful termination. Their reason for "indefinitely suspending" (if that's your term for firing) was that her speech was inappropriate for an employee of AAR, so they're going to have to substantiate that in court - i.e., with excerpts from her employment contract that state that personal attacks on Democrats will not be tolerated and are punishable by dismissal.

They won't, because they know that language isn't in the contract. AAR doesn't have a chance in court against her right now, which is why she'll be pressured by AAR to "just leave quietly" as a bad PR risk.

tells you to do. Her boss told her to step away from the microphone and go home for awhile.

Again--she has no "right" to broadcast. She has the "right" to do what her employer tells her to do, which is to accept her suspension, or she can QUIT.

One more time--she hasn't been TERMINATED. She's been suspended. There's no wrongful termination argument here, because there's been no termination.

Sure, she attacks politicians. But she doesn't call them "fucking whores" on the air, does she? And she IS a representative of the AAR franchise, and she was acting in that capacity when she shot her mouth off.

I think if she called Condi Rice, Elaine Chao, Michelle Obama or any other female in public life a "fucking whore" she'd be in the same type of trouble. She represented her franchise poorly. She might want to get some help, because that shit just wasn't funny, wasn't clever, and might have been an attention seeking cry for help.

I'm sure Standards and Practices are in her employment contract and she agreed to those provisions. But those apply to radio and television broadcasts only, not live stand-up routines.

What AAR means by "indefinitely suspended" remains to be seen. As I said, I think AAR has finally decided that she's too much of a live wire to be let on the airwaves, but it depends on discussions they're having, if any, right now. In other words, AAR will decide what it means shortly - until then, it's just a meaningless PR phrase.

"I think if she called Condi Rice ..."

Condi, etc. isn't in the same business as Randi, so they're not under the same expectations. If Al Franken had the same comic style as Sam Kinison when he was an entertainer or radio show host, he wouldn't even have a shot at the Senate now. You're talking apples and oranges.

Randi's radio talk style is well-known - brash, uncensored, no-holds-barred attacks on anyone. She's had this style for years, and AAR hasn't stopped paying her for it until now. Randi has at least been consistent - Mr. Green is being a hypocrite.

There is a difference. However, she is an AAR personality, and even though the event wasn't sponsored by AAR directly, but by an AAR affiliate, she is still representing AAR. An AAR personality at any AAR event, affiliate or not. If the event had nothing to do at all with AAR, it would be a different story.

I think her suspension sucks, but I also think that Randi was wrong to call a Presidential Candidate a whore. She can say she is whoring herself out to the media, but saying Hillary is a whore is over the top. I am not a Hillary lover or hater, I will vote for whoever the nominee is. And truthfully, at this point I just wish it had been decided. Hillary could still win the nomination, unlikely at this point, but possible. Then what? That is why she has said many many times that she doesn't support a primary candidate on air, because then she would go for the other person and that would ruin her credibility with the viewers.

And just to note, a lot of the AAR hosts have come out as Obama supporters, but they have done it mildly, and they say that Hillary would also make a good President and much better than the alternative. And they would vote for whoever the Democratic Presidential Candidate is.

I couldn't believe she'd even go there as they don't play her show live. They tried replacing the last two hours of Mama with their own local show. They play infomercials on the weekends. They're freaking idjits.

she was their spokes person.

If she was appearing on AAR's behalf (i.e., AAR sent her to SF) why wasn't AAR paying for her airfare and stay? They didn't. A martial arts studio in the bay area that was supporting the SF fundraiser for KKGN put up the money for Randi to attend. And this was mentioned on her show before the event.

still applies. Or at least it used to. What the heck is wrong with you hillary fans wanting all progressive personalities against Hillary silenced? You are bringing back the lack of choice that leaves Americans listening to O'Reilly, Hannity and Rush. Funny how you've all quit complaining about them.

Every American has the right to free speech. It's the first one for fuck's sake!

come on guys, the first amendment only prevents the government from abridging speech. Private corporations can abridge with reckless abandon. There was no government action here. Move along.

YMMV

Everyone in America has the right to free speech. EVERYONE.

something very specific, though.

Everyone in America has the right to be free from GOVERNMENT interference with their speech.

AAR, a private corporation, can stifle the speech of Randi Rhodes, a public figure. This does not violate the first amendment or general principles of free speech.

YMMV.

She won't go to jail. She won't be killed or tortured by the government.

However, a public figure in radio or TV generally agrees to a contractual clause stating you won't do or say anything detrimental to company interests without their prior permission (you also agree not to steal freight trains or get arrested for anything too embarrassing). The idea is that, in an advertising driven business, you won't say anything that would be an absolute bar to generating advertising revenue. Randi has crossed that line. She will be suspended for a week or two until this blows over. Then she will make a public apology.

And that's pure bullshit because it's simply not true in America.

Are you seriously suggesting that someone like Barack Obama doesn't have the right to free speech? That's nuts.

Barak Obama has the right to say anything he pleases. But he also must bear the consequences of his words. If he slanders someone, as Rhodes did, he probably will be sued.

it's really only defamation of character, none of which the characters at issue haven't engaged in themselves :-)

broadcast them.

She was "representing the company." And I doubt they want to be represented as the "Fucking Whores" radio network.

And she wasn't SILENCED. She was suspended. She should have been fired.

If someone called Barack Obama a FUCKING PIMP would you want anything less? How about if someone called BO a FUCKING PIMP, and Senator Claire McCaskill, one of his supporters, a FUCKING WHORE? Would a suspension "do" in that case, or would you want the person saying that FIRED?

Funny how where you stand depends on where you sit.

Who listens to O'Reilly, Hannity and Rush?

Not me.

but that is just me

I MIGHT NOT AGREE WIHT THE SPEECH.. and I don't... but I know she has a right to it... and if I am offended, I can and should walk out of the event

But I don't ask for heads either

By the way read what the PROGRAM DIRECTOR of the San Fran Affiliate said? And that this is now into a nice lawyer involved dust off

Oh and I will also defend the right for Rush to call anybody what he has called them on the air, may call for a FINE to the station when ON THE AIR he crosses decency rules... (not that the FCC has done that), but he has a right to say what he wants as well.

Funny, how the standards work huh?

And I think this individual has done the same. Whatever she is, she isn't a Democrat. That's not the sort of sexist, offensive language that a real Democrat would use. It sounds like a phrase out of the GOP playbook, really.

After all, equality, to include gender equality, is part of our platform. But I guess it's OK to toss that plank by the wayside if it "helps" Obama, is that it? I suspect OBAMA doesn't feel that way, and probably doesn't appreciate this sort of "help."

She's shown herself to be a "shock jock"--nothing more--who will use the cheap, sexist insult to get a reaction.

Who needs her? She doesn't do the party any favors--I say banish her. Dump her like soiled goods.

Of course, she's only been suspended. Not fired.

Regardless of what some station program director says, that program director's BOSS, the network chairman, is the one who implemented this suspension. They characterize it as a station-affiliated event.

I don't think anyone associated with Obama's campaign would want anything to do with her, either. She's made an ASS of herself, and while Obama Girl is one thing, "Fucking Whores Girl" isn't helpful to his campaign, at all.

anything else

The language has been this coarse for a couple of decades now though...

As to what the Obama campaign will do or not do that is their issue and that is fully a political calculation

But if you want to ahem, clean the language, good luck

That said, I don't call for people's heads... and this is now in the lawyer stage of the dust off

Now it is YOUR prerogative, and MINE not to listen to radio hosts or listen to radio hosts... but the creeping fascism all over the country is just sickening to me... and it is all in PATTERNS... starting with DONAHUE...

Oh and by the way... Larry Johnson's role in this adds just layers to the onion... and you KNOW what CIA used to do (still does) in places like Latin America... not that company was involved, but hell the questions need to be asked

CUI BONO

WHY NOW

After all I can bet this is NOT the first time she has used this kind of language OFF the air

about throwing out the "She's not a real Democrat" thing.

RR has always stood up for Progressive ideals. Here she's made horrible remarks which I personally find vile and disgusting. But, she's still a democrat.

party trumps country.

Reminds me of the 29 percenters.

And it is down right scary

By the way I will choose COUNTRY before PARTY any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Hell, I will make a statement that will not make either side happy. There is not enough daylight policy wise between the candidates... but these dirty tricks will drive voters (who are in the know) away from their preferred candidates... and in this case Mrs Hillary.

I will vote in November, for my best economic interest... but this blind pursuit of power is dangerous.

As to the language, you are right disgusting... but I've worst worst at comedy routines, and yes, I have left comedy routines.

had the right to say what he said about the basketball girls?

It's hateful.

And it's pure and simple to me.

I can't abide women referring to other women in those terms. It's really disturbing.

and Imus suspended...

And yes Imus should have gone back to the air.

No, that would not have made the statememts less hurtfull or hateful. And he still should have been sued over it in civil court.

But you know what? we either take it fully, or we don't

So if we are going to have language police and thought control, where exactly do you stop?

Someone who works for my organization, if they behaved like that in a public forum, would expect to be fired. It is not representative of who we are. I do not want our clients to think that we
happily will condone misogynistic language. Or hateful language.

We can not control AA's decision to suspect RR. I think what she said was despicable. And Gross.

Apparently, so did the people who pay Randi.

I'm not saying she should be suspended or fired. I'm saying that her statements make me disrespect her and never want to listen to her again. I'm making no demands of AA. If they decide she's
more of a liabilitiy than a profitable asset, that is their choice. They are free to do whatever they would like to do with her contract.

on the job, you're right, but she wasn't on the clock... or at the very least that is right now in the middle of a legal dust off

Disrespect her all you want, don't listen to her, fine by me

But this creeping fascism is really making me think that the US is not what it was once.

In fact, I fear we have crossed the rubicon, and kiss whatever freedoms you had good bye

Oh and remind me not to work for your Non Profit, and lord knows I've worked for non profits in the past

I work for a non-profit. And if there was a fundraising dinner and one of our employees publicly started berating anyone in such a manner, they'd be suspended or fired.

And as for reminding you not to work at our non-profit, if you were prone to calling anybody "fucking whores," especially publicly, we probably don't want you to work for us. If you were prone to doing so, you wouldn't be a good fit for us, especially since we've helped fund programs that got underage girls OUT of the sex industry. I suspect, however, that you have much more class than to publicly call anybody "fucking whores."

I would just think the person who said it was an idiot. In fact, I have to question why you would even think up such a phrase.

If she was representing the company, I assume they have written rules regarding what may and may not be said. If she broke the rules, then fine. If not, the company has no justification for its action.

with the sex trade, and usually applied to men, who are more commonly pimps, though they can, at times though less frequently, be whores as well.

Does that answer your "question?" You're not skilled at extrapolation.

She WAS representing the company. She was at a company event, and that is why the network chairman suspended her.

racist connotation to it. Still, your free to say it and I am free to think you are an idiot for doing so.

She was at a company event doing a late night comedy routine in San Francisco and the company didn't expect any bawdy language? Something doesn't smell right about that. Like I said if they have written rules, so be it. If not, she is in the right and they need to abide by their contract. Not really that perplexing.

That's news to me, and kind of a RACIST statement, too, when you think about it You're telling me that being a PIMP is affiliated with a PARTICULAR race--what, do they have to import pimps to countries that don't have the "lligrd" approved pimps of the "appropriate" race?

Who knew?

Or is it that you are a bit....provincial, and "American television" has generated for you a worldview that is quite small and false?

FWIW, in Russia and Israel, the pimps are Russian. In Italy, they're Italian. Sometimes, they're Eastern European, but they're paying someone who is Italian for the privilege of operating on their territory. In Thailand, the pimps are Thai.

And they're all scum.

Bawdy language is one thing. She could have said fuck and shit till the cows come home. But calling two women politicians WHORES?

Not cool.

Not progressive.

Not democratic.

Not funny.

The fact that you are trying so hard to excuse it is.... interesting. And not progressive, cool, democratic, or funny, either.

Now you get it!

And you DON'T get it. You aren't a progressive at all, you're just a team disruptor player.

Or does the role only fit in between the actual exchange of money and sex? Is that s good interpolation, MaDem?

It's helpful in determining what weight I want to give your comments in future, and where you stand on issues affecting those in our society who aren't given the full measure of equality.

The idea behind the use of the term is to insult and denigrate based on gender.

You think it's funny. I don't.

your crap sounds just like that Clinton surrogate idiot on Fixed news last night.

Stand up comedy.

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Is this really how "progressive personalities" think and discuss people who disagree with them?

Completely different role from her progressive talk show host. Anyone that has ever been to a late night comedy show would expect this kind of speech during a routine. Sometimes it is even funny.

"fucking whores?"

When is that EVER "funny?"

When is that EVER anything other than OFFENSIVE?

But perhaps you need to see the definition of the word, "whore":

intr.v. whored, whor·ing, whores

To associate or have sexual relations with prostitutes or a prostitute.
To accept payment in exchange for sexual relations.
To compromise one's principles for personal gain.

Check out the third one. I can see how it might apply.

Here, watch the progressive "fun:" http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x113908

particularly offensive. I do think Randi should keep her day job but you apparently think she should lose that one and stick to the late night one. Go figure.

see anything offensive about the blatant sexism of the language she employed.

If the term were "fucking (sounds like) baggot" to describe a gay person, or "fucking (sounds like) knicker" to describe a black person, you'd be up in arms, I'm sure. But "fucking whore" to describe a woman? Eh, par for the course. Not offensive.

Oh kaaay.

The ladies haven't come such a long way, baby, have they? And it's WOMEN slinging the shit at them. Stockholm Syndrome, or WHAT?

Years from now, people will look back at this and be appalled, when equality for half our population is finally realized. This sort of cavalier language will be viewed in the same distasteful light as Stepin Fetchit, or blackface comedy. But we have some evolving yet to do, I guess.

That was what was meant!! It was a comedy, satirical routine, OFF the air, on her own time, also.

:eyes:

Please. What a pathetic, unfunny stretch. A real "anything to win" attitude. It's completely offensive.

Another "so-called progressive" who can be situational when the person hurling the sexist invective is hurling it at someone they don't like.

Gee, I hope no one ever tosses that "tee hee--oh so funny" phrase at the woman who gave birth to you. You might not think it's "nothing but a thing."

And it wasn't on her own time. It was a network sponsored appearance at a station affiliate. That's what the AAR chairman says, who EMPLOYS Ms. Rhodes and pays her salary, who outranks the lousy program director or the station manager, and he ought to know.

It was a comedy shtick. A stand up routine and the new owner of AAR is a fucking corporate whore!

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That's the part you seem to be missing and you didn't hear the whole routine. You weren't there. You heard or watched a snippet. A snippet taken out of context. Could she have used a better choice of words? Sure but I've heard many RW radio gasbags say worse and they said it ON the Air!! How come I don't see you posting outrage at them? A political whore is a political whore.

"comedy" is, too.

She didn't use the word POLITICAL. She used the word FUCKING.

But you do go on--this thread will be an interesting tiny slice of American history years from now on the sad state of equality for women--in the "fucking" Twenty First Century.

It will be interesting to hear what Sen. Obama has to say about this. I am guessing he will be asked, and he won't agree with his "supporters."

... and their ability to use politically incorrect speech for comedic effect weren't progressives?

Hmmmm...irony.

Not "irony." An inability on your part to effectively compare and contrast two different and completely dissimilar situations, but NOT irony.

If Randi Rhodes wants to quit her job and go on a comedy tour, she's welcome to do that and shoot off her mouth all she wants.

But she's NOT entitled to represent a progressive radio station using misogynistic profanity and call it "free speech."

She's got to dance with the one that brung her....capisce? If she wants to go out on her own, more power to her. Hope she has lots of savings, because she'll be dipping into them before too long. I doubt her ticket sales will keep her warm and fed for long--she just wasn't funny.

...under the table.

First, as to whether AAR has a right to suspend her, you and I don't have an argument. She has a right to say what she wants, and AAR has every right to suspend her. Heck, I even agree she was a flaming idiot to say such a thing in public.

Where I have a problem with what you're saying (and what I was responding to) was this statement:

<<She hasn't been fired. She's just been suspended. She needs to suck it up, and maybe contemplate the meaning of the word "progressive." Using sexist slurs to express anger at women isn't the way to make your point. And it isn't funny. >>

My point was that progressives have defended the use of profanity and slurs for years. Richard Pryor used every racist and sexist epithet under the sun, and he was beloved by progressives (largely because of the stark terms in which he portrayed the black experience). Progressives love Kanye West when he's on TV talking about how George W. Bush hates black people. Funny how he doesn't get too much push back over "Golddigger" (which is arguably both racist and sexist). PJ O'Rourke (NOT a progressive) wrote "Parliament of Whores: A Lone Humorist Attempts to Explain the Entire U.S. Government"; is that OK because he didn't use the "F" word, or is it OK because he didn't specifically include Hillary Clinton, or is it OK because it's literary, or should I look forward to MADem picketing a Barnes and Noble near me to have them remove the book.

So, yes, there is irony in the fact that now some would define a progressive by not saying such things. Mostly, there is chuckling on my part, for I strongly suspect your objections have nothing to do with "sexist slurs to express anger at women." Honestly, would you be this offended she'd called Lynne Cheney an effing whore? I doubt you'd give it a moment's thought, and there'd certainly be no talk of AAR suspending her. No, we'd be defending her free speech rights, and AAR would celebrate the increased ratings.

Your examples suck. Richard Pryor used language to POINT OUT INJUSTICE. Not to insult people. His commentary was wry and ironic--he was NOT using that language to make fun of someone on the basis of their race.

And the issue isn't simply "profanity." It has more to do with the sexist sentiment --which, I do not give a shit how often you try to excuse, justify, and pretend it means something else--DOES have a gender specific quality of denigration to it.

RR wasn't portraying the female experience, or pointing out the evils of sexism or the denigration of women by calling two female politicians 'fucking whores.' She was behaving like Ann Coulter--as if she was "one of the boys" and permitted to use those kinds of slurs to put those women down.

That's the difference. I have no sympathy for her. She behaved just like a rightwing tool, and she's paying the price for it. You don't build progressive values on a foundation of denigration based on gender characteristics. It's as simple as that.

If you can't parse the distinction, you're insensitive to the issue.

Whores is also applied to politicians of both genders because they sell themselves for money. Hence mu sucky PJ O'Rourke example. If you can't parse THAT distinction, I'd seriously recommend therapy; you're suffering from some kind of fixation.

If Randi had called Ms. Clinton an Effing-see-you-next-Tuesday, your point would be valid. She didn't say that, and her intent was political, not sexist.

It would be as if someone were debating an issue with Barack Obama and said, of the issue, "Let's call a spade a spade." People would cry race where it is not an issue. That's what you're doing here, and it has nothing to do with progressive values or sexism; it has to do with Randi insulting Hillary Clinton. As I said before, if she'd called Lynne Cheney (or better still, Ann Coulter) an effing whore, I doubt you'd write a word or shed a tear.

Let's see-special interests, eh?

Ever wonder why the war will go on for at LEAST sixteen months, longer if the Generals say so, under the "antiwar" candidate's scenario?

Follow the money: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/31965

Special interests, indeed. And an inconvenient truth.

RR's intent was to CUT and HURT, and use GENDER as a weapon. If YOU can't see that, then you're "suffering from some kind of fixtion, I'd seriously recommend therapy." (See--you're illustrating my point with that sort of verbiage, because you are doing it, too, but in a different fashion...you don't like my argument, you don't agree with it, so you childishly, snarkily, and with an absence of debating talent and with the unsuccessful attempt to cut and hurt, suggest that I am mentally ill--heckuvajob, Brownie!).

You don't pay attention. I have on many occasions, objected to the use of rude terms in connection with the Bush twins or their mother, and I have also objected to so-called progressives using the "Man" Coulter references as well. It's not a new stance. It is EASY to take this viewpoint when you LIKE the person, it's much harder, and indicative of character, IMO, to stick to one's principles when you dislike the target of the unfair attack.

It's sure been instructive, though. I've discovered that a lot of people here aren't progressives at all. They're just partisans. And some are real assholes, too. I'm disappointed, and I am surprised. I really expected more.

..but we could go on all year and neither of us will be swayed here.

As for "Ever wonder why the war will go on for at LEAST sixteen months, longer if the Generals say so, under the "antiwar" candidate's scenario?" Answer - Nope, I don't wonder, because no matter who wins we're going to be told by that we're stuck for (see "Congress, Democratic, 2006"). The best I hope for is that we elect someone who won't expand the war into Iran and won't put Rudy on the SCOTUS. Beyond that, I have really low expectations.

If you don't like her brand of humor then don't listen to it. She was obviously doing a comedy routine and got fired for it plain and simple. Sanctimonious people like you want to tell us what we can and can not laugh at. Well I won't be told by you what is "funny" and what is not. I'll continue to laugh it up, like I did at this.

She was representing AAR at an AAR affiliate function.

She didn't "get fired for it plain and simple" either.

Get your facts in order. She was suspended, not terminated.

"Sanctimonious people like you" should learn to read for comprehension. It will spare you further embarrassment.

splitting hairs ever so slightly. Lets get technical and apply the Federal Rules of Evidence. Me thinks you have gotten yourself way too worked up over this. Was a freaking comedy act-call the PC police. Well I don't care, I'm still laughing. :D

What's your point?

you don't agree with it, we get it.

By the way, removing critics of your preferred candidate, as the Larry Johnson blog implies is also a DIRTY Republican trick. (As well as CIA)

So you are defending that? There is exactly where that tape emerged... not the club

I will speak plainly to you.

Policy wise there is not enough light between those two. So electing one or the other in November will not make much of a difference, but be slightly better for my pocket book. But the dirty tricks emerging from one side are making me loose my lunch... and I know politics is not for the faint of heart

What I find funny is that I have looked at the dust off between both sides as a neutral observer, and increasingly the Clinton Supporters remind me exactly of what they describe... the end justifies the means... damn anything and yes... bushbots come to mind.

What is also plain to any neutral observer is that at this point the campaign has become extremely toxic and some folks are truly blinded by what is going on.

Get a grip of yourself, that language has been used in comedy events since Richard Prior and other comedians started using it. People screamed back then. And they were right. You don't like the language, don't go to the shows... once again this was off the air, in a semi-private event. And you know what the worst part is... I am willing to bet that if this was a non critic of Hillary Clinton... nothing would have happened.

You don't like her, don't listen to her show. Yes, it is that simple. And to call her a non-democrat just because two weeks ago she broke her pledge of neutrality and finally came out for Obama is what is behind all of this... a concerted effort, go to the Johnson Blog, to remove critics from the air. And that my dear is unamerican.

behaving in an unprogressive, unprofessional, misogynistic and outrageous manner. Her verbiage was OFFENSIVE and in contravention to the Democratic party platform AND progressive ideals.

Richard Pryor wasn't a progressive radio host of a political program, now, was he? He was a COMEDIAN. He talked about farts and cocaine, he didn't make his money talking politics. So that's a bullshit comparison, and pathetic. Why even bring him into the argument? Because he was a black guy who used profanity?

And it was NOT a "semi-private" event. It was an event sponsored by the AFFILIATE of her employer. Her employer was paying for her attendance at said event. Her employer had a legal "interest" in her conduct. She wasn't at her friend's birthday party, slamming back shooters and acting like a drunken fool. She was ON THE CLOCK.

You seem completely unable to grasp the fact that calling women names like that is just not what our PARTY is all about. It's not PROGRESSIVE. What if she got up and called Obama a "fucking (sounds like)knicker?" Or his wife a "fucking whore?" Would you still be on the "free speech" bus? I rather doubt it.

YOU get a grip on yourself. You are excusing this behavior ONLY because it is directed against someone YOU don't like.

THAT's why it's "OK" to you.

As I have said elsewhere, if I called you a "fucking whore" would you find that progressive? Funny? Free speech? Hmmmm? How about if I did it at a "semi-public" gathering of business professionals?

How about if I used the term to describe your mother?

Oh, come on...it's FREE SPEECH. It's COMEDY...only KEEEEEEDING. Ha. Ha. Ha. Funny, funny, laugh, laugh. Come on, you fucking whore, where's your sense of HUMOR?

Bullshit. That's not what the Democrats, or progressives from centrist to well left, are all about. We've never been that way, until NOW.

Apparently.

It's inexcusable, and the efforts to excuse the inexcusable are really disappointing. I've discovered that a lot of people here aren't really Democrats, they aren't progressive, they're just "team players" who will wipe their asses on their own beliefs if it denigrates their opponents.

ever

By the way... MESSAGE RECEIVED...

And yes, I put my country before my party... and what is so damn disappointing is to see so called liberals not seeing the big picture and applauding this

By the way, you do realize suspending somebody over something said OFF the radio is unprecedented?

You also realize there is a pattern.

Oh never mind, you don't

I will say it more than just plainly... right now the decision in 2008 is between fascist, fascist light and corporatist.

Oy vey. That is the bed that has been made

all about "behavior." Behavior that took place OFF THE AIR, away from the microphone.

No nefarious plots or machinations:

Dana Jacobson, co-host of the "ESPN First Take" morning show, was disciplined by her employer after an expletive-laden speech. The Chicago Tribune reported she was suspended one week.

ESPN commentators shared the stage with actors and athletes Jan. 11 in Atlantic City to celebrate the eighth anniversary of "Mike & Mike in the Morning" co-hosts Mike Golic and Mike Greenberg. The whole point was to spout off edgy jokes, but what's OK for comedians Eddie Griffin and Jeffrey Ross may not be appropriate for ESPN announcers seeking to be both entertainers and journalists.

Asked whether the network planned to rethink its policy regarding employees taking part in such events, ESPN spokesman Mike Soltys said, "We won't be participating in another roast anytime soon."

Jacobson's speech included obscenities aimed at Notre Dame, with Irish football coach Charlie Weis in attendance.

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=210&sid=1331754



And what about Mirthala Salinas????? Her off-air behavior got HER suspended, too.

Details: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291977,00.html

LOS ANGELES — A Spanish-language newscaster who had an affair with the mayor of Los Angeles has been suspended from her job for two months for violating conflict-of-interest policies, her network said Thursday.

Mirthala Salinas was having the relationship with Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa when she announced the news of his separation from his wife of 20 years on local Telemundo station KVEA, Channel 52.

Salinas was suspended after a three-week internal investigation reviewed by executives at Telemundo and parent company NBC Universal. Three Telemundo employees also were disciplined. Findings were reported on the network's national newscast and announced by executives.



Jesse Jackson's daughter was suspended for an off-air MASSIVE fight with management: http://www.radio-info.com/news/index.php?date=2008-02-20

Santita Jackson, the eldest daughter of the Rev. Jesse Jackson, was suspended following an incident with management at WVON (1690). According to Robert Feder of the Chicago Sun-Times, the unannounced suspension of Jackson "was the culmination of ongoing tension at the station." Station insiders told the Sun-Times a blowup between Jackson and station GM Melody Spann Cooper occurred when Jackson "was asked to record a series of biographical vignettes for Black History Month." Jackson allegedly asked her work air only on WVON. Jackson is expected to be back behind the mic for her late-morning talk show starting March 1.

.. we just don't give a shit. As doesn't most of the world, because the language is FULL of gender based epithets, and nobody gives a fuck unless they are perceived to be biased towards women.

FYI a "whore" is, simply put, someone who SELLS OUT. It is only moderately gender specific, I've seen it used, effectively, against both genders.

And it describes HRC, and unfortunately most politician, perfectly.

either? How about if the language was used against someone you LIKED?

Eh, never mind.

I'm finding, to my surprise, that this message board is not as geniunely "progressive" as I thought, and that people who call themselves progressive or "Democratic" are PINOs and DINOs. It's taking some getting used to, actually.

somebody you liked....

You are a committed clinton supporter, and why you cannot really see the big picture here

RR has been vocal against your preferred candidate especially since the bosnia incident. For the record I found her valor theft problematic, given I have been shot at, and those lead mosquitoes got close. and so has my husband who also found that problematic. And I said it when it happened, that she should have stuck to the truth, since it was the most successful intervention of the Cold War.

RR has also aired some dirty laundry which has made many HRC fans more than just uncomfortable... and you know broadcoasters are doing their job when they make the powerful uncomfortable. She has also been somewhat critical of Obama and McCain, and worried of the TOXICITY of this campaign. Now you'd get that if you heard the show with open ears.

Now according to Stephanie Miller, HRC fans have also tired to get her OFF the air, same for Shultz, and we know the comments on Keith Oberman and how many former keithy fans have stopped watching since he has come out for Obama.. which to us neutral observers is not there, one week he spent it on Wright, the next on Bosnia... shit happens, news cycle and all that.

So this is not about RR (at least as far as I can see with the fan base) but about criticizing hillary clinton If you dare to even say one thing against HRC you are no longer a liberal, democrat progressive et al. That my dear is group think... and we used to make fun of Bush bots for it. Given that we have a whole new group engaged in it, and accusing others of it.. scares me shitless personally

Were the words she used appropriate, or do I personally agree with the language., NO

Will I defend her right to stay on the air and that according to OTHER radio personalities this suspension is unprecedented and in my view POLITICALLY motivated, in fact a character assassination hit... absolutely

Why?

There is a pattern that started with Donahue, try to look at the big picture here ok, where people who are critical of CERTAIN politicos, and it used only to be Bush, had a problem getting air. Now it is expanding to those who the DLC does not like... a purge if you will.

Why this is quickly becoming a choice between a fascist (FOUR MORE WARS), a Fascist Light (SHUT THEM UP!) and a Corporatist

Now does that mean I would have staid at her show if present and she used that language? Probably not, but I will not go to a chapelle comedy show either or Richard Pryor for that matter.

Oh and community standards were also used by the nazis to remove critics, so that truly chills me

And if you read all the way to here this is why I make this about COUNTRY and not PARTY

injury, behaving like a rightwing tool.

"Fucking whores" is something that THEY say. Not US.
IF you can't see that, I can't help you see it.

Donohue would never call anyone a "fucking whore." Neither would Saint Olbermann, I'd wager.

Why is "OK" for that "fucking whore" Randi Rhodes (see how hideous it sounds?) to do such a thing? Answer--it isn't.

Don't give me the "country v. party" argument, either. Or throw Nazis into the mix. Or talk about "community standards." It's not the "fucking language" it is the fucking SENTIMENT about women that offends. And it doesn't get a "pass" because it comes from (an apparently self-loathing, Coulter-of-the-left) woman.

Excusing RR's behavior is a tacit endorsement of the sexism that has held back half of our population for far too long, and it is NOT a "progressive" value to hold. I happen to think more of women than that, and I will defend them against unfair slurs, no matter where they come from.

This week

Have I seen THAT LANGUAGE used by lefties before?

Absolutely, against RICE, who has been demonized by the left and HAPPENS TO BE A WOMAN... of color no less.

This outrage started this week, over this language, and I FIND THAT CURIOUS to say the least

By the way... I think we are done.

Come November, I know what my choices are... and I also now fully know that I should expect NO CHANGES in this country

Group think indeed.

Oh and one more thing... this country, is truly and sincerely fucked... pardon my french, and yes I will go wash my mouth with soap now.

when people get vicious with Pickles, or the Bush twins, or even those hideous "Man Coulter" remarks, I find them unprogressive and unacceptable. I also find the subtle gay bashing here, that came out with the Craig story, profoundly offensive.

You can't just be progressive with people you like. You have to walk the walk along with talking the talk.

The true test of a genuine progressive, and not just a battling partisan team member who likes to play one on the internet, is when you CAN apply those progressive values, attitudes, and most importantly, CONDUCT to people you despise.

It's tough for some people, I'm finding out. It's disappointing, too.

VERY insecure about your femininity - if you ARE female. I've never met an African American so sensitive as you are, not even an African American woman. There are many whores in this world, most of whom are NOT female, and most of whom do not engage in the sex trade.

You don't even know me, you pull out of your nether orafice that I am an "insecure about my feminity" woman, simply because I find crude language directed at female politicians idiotic, offensive and "fucking" indefensible.

Everyone has a mother. Many of us have sisters, and had grandmothers, too. Many of us have respect for women, and don't think calling them "fucking whores" is appropriate. Many of us are GENUINE progressives--not "partisans" who can excuse those sorts of insults if they're directed at someone we don't like. It's harder to walk the walk when you're dealing with someone you DON'T like--but that's the real test. You failed.

Maybe I was just raised right. Maybe you weren't (how's THAT for assuming, eh?) since you don't have a problem with RR's commentary. Your view is your own, and reflects on you. Poorly.

I just hope no one calls you or one of your loved ones a "fucking whore," which is a term designed to denigrate a woman with a degrading gender reference.

It might hurt your feelings--or maybe not, since you apparently find the term so "fucking" amusing.

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think about it ---

Meanwhile, we are reforming the word "whore" just as we've reformed --- to some degree ---
"FU" . . .

Recall corporate-whores and media-whores ---

I can't say that I feel secure that everyone took it this way --
obviously there are people who are going to hear it differently ---

How...progressive.

Not.

If she thought she was "helping" Obama, she thought wrong.

As I said --- and/or hinted --- HRC went off the deep end re Bosnia ---
anyone should be frightened to vote for her after that.
How could Randi have possibly supported her after that?

How could anyone support HRC after that --- ???



Personally, I think that what HRC did re Bosnia was more offensive if you ...
think about it ---

Meanwhile, we are reforming the word "whore" just as we've reformed --- to some degree ---
"FU" . . .

Recall corporate-whores and media-whores ---

I can't say that I feel secure that everyone took it this way --
obviously there are people who are going to hear it differently ---

I don't care WHO Randi Rhodes is talking about. You don't call ANY woman a "fucking whore" if you are a progressive.

If you're an asshole, and an IDIOT, that's what you do. But not if you're a progressive or a Democrat, who believes in that party platform that talks about equality for all--and that includes women, who don't deserve to be called "whores" if you don't happen to like them.

This is fucking incredible. I can't believe how far people will stretch the taffy of their own sick, pathetic justification in complete contravention of basic party principles.

It's disgusting.

You are taking it in a way that, IMO, it wasn't intended ---

IMO, the term "whore" was used in the political sense of corporate-whore and media-whore . . .
and political-whore ---

I'm a progressive --- I'm a radical liberal --- I'm a feminist ---
I don't see that this was directed to gender ---
I feel it was directed to politics ---
political-whoring ---

As I've also said before, there will be people who don't see it that way ---
but I definitely do --

There will be people who post-Bosnia will still vote for HRC ---
but I definitely don't see how that would be possible ---
You not only have to weigh the lie --
you have to weigh her sanity ---

Your continued attempt to justify this is astounding. Telling, too.

You can't possibly be a progressive, radical liberal OR feminist and not see what's wrong with this language. Unless the cognitive dissonance is just too great, and you can't bear to confront it.

It's like Obama saying "Aww, he just meant I looked YOUNG when he called me BOY...." Sure.

This is SHAMEFUL. And you, calling yourself a "feminist" defend it. That's your shame.

Anything to win.

Even your soul.

Again --- this wasn't "sexism" --- this was a comment on HRC's political behavior ---
foresaking truth for a win with her Bosnia story ---

Btw, you're moving into personal attacks --- I'm sure you don't want to start that.

Let's just stick with the debate ---

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and now it's time to say "goodnight" ---

:rofl:

Dance, ballerina, dance!

Twirl, ballerina, twirl!

there is no context in which the use of the term "Fucking Whores" to describe two female politicians is acceptable.

If that's RR's message, then she has a choice to make. She can be a comedian, in which case she can say whatever she wants, or she can be a progressive radio host. I don't think she can be both.

Sid

n/t.

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He speaks flawless Farsi, of course, among other languages. What's say I ask him to print up a list of questions in that language, and I'll post them for your perusal? Since your "not American" degree is "Iranian" I'm sure you'd be able to answer them right here on DU with no problemo - in Farsi, of course....

What say you?

(I won't be holding my breath...:rofl:)

He's not had the chance to "back and forth" in Farsi for quite some time. Something tells me I shouldn't get his hopes up, though: my bet is that you're nowhere to be found when I post such a list to you in Farsi by his hand...

And stop whining so much...it does get tiresome after awhile.

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Ends justify the means, right?

"Completely different role from her progressive talk show host (role)"? Really? At an event sponsored by a local Air America affiliate, who coincidentally employ her as a progressive talk show host? How'd she manage that?

I can think of a dozen excellent and respectable progressive personalities who don't call people they don't care for "fucking whores" in front of an audience. Those are the kind of people I choose to call "progressive voices". Guess I set the bar a little too high.

Whore is a valid word with more than one definition. One of which, I think clearly fits both Hillary and McCain. I wonder, if someone called McCain a "fucking whore", would you be upset?

Yes, I would. That is not legitimate discourse coming from a public figure, especially one who loves to portray herself as being so progressive and open-minded.

I'm no prude, believe me. But if you're going to hold Randi up as a "progressive voice"...since you're so big into definitions, tell me exactly where calling someone a "fucking whore" fits into this:

Progressive:

Moving forward; advancing.
Proceeding in steps; continuing steadily by increments: progressive change.
Promoting or favoring progress toward better conditions or new policies, ideas, or methods: a progressive politician; progressive business leadership.

what would you call it? What would you call her IWR vote?

See, I don't need to use sexism to prop up a candidate. I'll vote for whoever gets the nom, I see little difference between the two. But I sure as hell won't stand here and listen to someone justify calling either one a "fucking whore". Sexism isn't progressive. Justifying and employing sexism under the guise of pushing progressive ideals makes one a phony.

And that's why I'm a progressive, and that's the difference between you and I.

Good day to you.

something that has been little explored here --- evidently due to the sensitivity of the HRC supporters here -- ???

But there was no way that Randi could support --- or feign support --- for HRC after that.

HRC crashed thru the truth ceiling all on her own --- and made herself someone who casts
truth aside for a win ---

So is she a fucking whore now because of Bosnia? Don't hide behind Randi, come right and say it, loud and proud if you feel it.

I really could care less if it was about HRC or BO or my dog. A bunch of progressives hooting a hollering over a woman calling another a fucking whore is not funny.

IMO, Bosnia makes HRC a liar of immense proportions ---

Additionally, I think what HRC did was a poor reflection upon all females, especially as future
candidates --- and on the Democratic Party --- and I think she owes us all an apology.

How could HRC have thought that she could get away with it?
Is she delusional?

Again -- try to get this -- IMO, it wasn't "sexist" --- it was a comment on HRC's political
behavior.

Good day to you, as well.

I think that Hillary is a politically motivated liar. She's is a bullshit artist. What she did was a poor reflection
on female rationality. She's so hubristic she thought she'd get away with it.

I don't like the woman at all.

Yet, the language used was inappropriate, even if meant to be funny/shocking. I can't abide listening to
any female describe another in those terms. It still has sexual connotations, even when not used in such a way.
Obviously Hillary doesn't sell her body for sex. But, using that language is meant to shock because of those
connotations, and to be honest, it does shock me. And it makes me really dislike Randi, as well.

though we differ on our feelings about the term she used --

"Whore" as far as I can see now in every day use is a political comment for either males
or females. And I would suggest that the idea that HRC was an actual "prostitute" selling
her body was far from what was intended.

We are changing language ---

I'm often amused at the interpretation of people on the internet that any time you use CAPS
it's "shouting." Well, if you look at any legal or business documents you'll find CAPS and
underlining --- it's about emphasis. But --- on the internet -- it is still seen in light
of new thinking about it.

As we debate here, it's not about actually changing someone's mind, IMO ---
it's more about trying to understand how we all think about things ---
and so I do acknowledge your feelings about the comments and understand your feelings --
but I don't agree; and I presume you would say the same about my comments.

They're no different from some on the wingnut team. They think it's fine to denigrate women with coarse invective, if those women aren't on "their team."

I rather think if the same term was applied to any female supporter on their team, they'd be calling for heads to roll.

especially female candidates --- and an insult to the Democratic party-- !!!

The term "whore" can apply to males or females --- it wasn't used as a gender insult ---
it was used as a political insult ---

The Limbaugh locker room is to your right.

it's so rare . . . !!!

Isn't it time for trools to hit the sack --- ?

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fan. Not at all.

She called her and Ferraro "Fucking Whores?"

Who the hell does that? It's beyond the pale, and she deserved her suspension, especially since the remarks were made at an event for an AA affiliate.

I have no problem with her suspension, and I'm hoping for Obama to get the nom.

Cause if you think it applies in any way shape or form here, you are beyond mistaken.

To be in any public venue, you need to be able to negotiate the politics of that venue.

I hope this flap goes away but if it does, it will take negotiation, not foot stamping.

...I am saying she was taken off the air, which for a radio personality is silenced.

...they license them from the U.S. government, s-o-o-o, they're more Randi's than AAR's.

She is paid to do what she does, and she can be replaced.

And she should be, the sexist "fucking whore."

What? Offended? Gee, it was "only a joke...a COMEDY routine." Ha... ha... ha... It's just so FUNNY when we call women "fucking whores!!" Let's all roll on the floor, laughing out loud!

:eyes:

They pay her (out of all the "mouthpieces" around the country) because she has the audience and can get the ratings to pay for the time, etc.

That still doesn't mean AAR owns the airwaves.

Or have you forgotten, the airwaves are ours.

It's a sad day when people don't remember what America was like before Ronald Reagan.

They've leased those airwaves FROM us, to do with as they will.

What, you rent out a house you own, and think you can go fuck with the tenants any time you want? Drop in for dinner and a bath?

Really. If you don't like the situation as it is, work to change it. Griping isn't helpful.

I have a better memory of "Life Before Reagan" than most here. I also remember "Life Before Computers" and "Life Before Cable" and even "Life Before Television."

Those days are GONE. They aren't coming back. Live with the new paradigm. Otherwise, resign yourself to being an old crank who yells at kids to get off your lawn and bemoans the past.

But if she's broadcasting on AAR, it's AAR's call, not hers,

but "fucking" cannot be said on the air ---

:eyes:

I give up. Yeah, there's "nothing" wrong with PROGRESSIVES calling women whores. What was I THINKING?

:sarcasm:

IMO . .. this was NOT calling women "whores" . . . this was a political use of the
term "whore" . . . as we have modified it and used it very often these days.

Corporate-whore ---
Media-whore --
Political-whore ---

I'm sure you've heard those terms ---

to insult someone you don't like.

Ms. Rhodes, one more time, did not call those women corporate, media or political--she called them FUCKING. And you keep avoiding THAT.

Progressive, my ass.

Say, do you haul out the "fucking (sounds like) knicker" for Condi Rice or Alan Keyes? Because they aren't on your team?

If you can call women you don't like fucking whores, what's the diff, really?

It's all "just comedy"--ha, ha, ha.

I have no feelings about HRC except as a candidate ---
and as a candidate she is part of the r-w/corporate-sponsored DLC ---
and she told the big Bosnia lie ---

... because she "miss spoke" ---

Now that's real comedy --- !!!

Says all we need to know about you.

Stop trying to shift the focus, because two wrongs do not make a right.

and obviously there is a debate over Randi's choice of words ---

because it's taking place on this thread and totally visible to you.

think that two wrongs make a right, and you don't support genuine equality for women.

Self loathing is a heavy burden, I would imagine.

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:crazy: Why didn't she say "corporate whore" then? I think she is intelligent enough to know the difference and shouldn't need anyone's translation as to what she "meant" to say, don't you think? :shrug:

However, she is the person who told the big Bosnia lie --

but, wasn't HRC's excuse there that she "miss spoke" . . . ?

You have to be delusional to miss speak to that degree --- !!!

a nice little bundle put away.

Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro are FUCKING CORPORATE WHORES!!!

Go ahead. Rat me out to the mods for saying it. I don't care.

I'm not going to "rat you out to the mods."

I think it's better for your post to stay here, so that everyone can see, plainly, your opinion.

In your own words.

Of course, RR didn't say "corporate." And that's not what she meant, either.

But you know that.

woman and men are equal and the races are equal, but this feminist crap really gets to me sometimes. I will never call myself a feminist even though I believe in every single feminist issue because people who claim such ultra feminism turn me and everyone else off. Reminds me of PETA.

I've been listening to Randi Rhodes since the O.J. trial. Randi Rhodes is a feminist who doesn't call herself one. Randi Rhodes was perfectly clear to me. She DOES mean corporate - no doubt at all in my mind she's talking "corporate." You're trying to make Rhodes into something she's not. Randi Rhodes - airman, truck driver, radio personality. She has succeeded in a largely all-male world. She has adopted and raised her sister's daughter (after her sister died). She is the ultimate successful woman/feminist. She did it all on her own, no help from anyone. Get this now - Randi is talking "corporate whoredom" PERIOD.

You're suggesting that she somehow is less than effective as a communicator.

Why would she skip the "corporate" word since it's plainly CRITICAL to the understanding of the term?

I watched her, and "fucking whores" is not "corporate whores." And calling Geraldine Ferraro "David Duke?"

Please.

She was going for the cheap laugh from a partisan crowd, and she was denigrating two of her own gender to do it. She was playing the flip side of Coulter, who does the same thing from the perspective of the right. It's wrong no matter who does it.

I don't care that she was an airman in the USAF. I've had hundreds of female Sailors working for me, raising kids, often alone, enduring family separation and long deployments. Driving small craft, serving as enginemen and electricians in hot, sweltering environments, scraping paint in deck division, and doing all manner of difficult and unsavory jobs. Military service is honorable; I should know, I spent decades at it. Raising children, your own or others, is honorable as well. But it doesn't give anyone a pass when they do something as "fucking" stupid as she did. She has BEEN a victim of the very same gender discrimination, with attendant sneers and insults, if she served five minutes in the military. It's pervasive in that environment.

That makes what she did all the worse. She KNOWS better.

She deserves a nice, long, reflective suspension. Maybe she might want to use the time to go to rehab, or something.

Those who continue to suggest that she compared Ferraro and Clinton to "prostitutes" are either deliberately distorting the meaning of what she said, or are ... ummm... never mind, they are just deliberately distorting the meaning of what she said.

Clinton IS a fucking whore. Corporate whore that is.

Whore is as whore does.

This is a woman who makes her LIVING with words.

Suddenly, she's an inarticulate idiot unable to express herself unambigously? Sorry, no sale.

Check those rules, too--they say that it's important to express your viewpoint CLEARLY and contextually, and be sensitive to issues of sexism, bigotry, etc. RR was playing to a rabidly partisan crowd, and going for the cheap gasp/laugh.

I think she should check into a facility and get herself 'correct' during her suspension. She's off the chart.

people would call her show and never had a chance to talk. I stopped listening to her a long time ago. Mike Malloy is starting to act just like her. Same old rant, night after night.Two atheist, becoming Obamaistains.

I know my mother turns off her show now, and Air America used to be the only thing she listened to in the car.

You have figures? I know that in my area she's the only person listenable at that time. Other choices are grim including Laura Ingraham.

Hillary is a relic of the past. Her demise signals the decline of the arrogant PNAC society behind Randi's dismissal. They will fight to the end but their hubris has blinded them to their endangered minority status. Their time is over.
Contact Air America and demand Randi's return http://www.airamerica.com/contact

about AAR anymore, it's about the soul of America. I remember Randi having Scott Ritter and John Dean on her show, both conservative Republicans, but they said that they were Americans first and Republicans second. Now, it has come to Randi's feet whether she is an a American first and a Democrat second. This is at the very core of supporting the Clintons, the decision of whether you are an American first and a Democrat secondly. I am pondering the same question, but I'm a private citizen with no voice but a single vote. For someone like Randi who has a forum and who sincerely believes she has to do the right thing, it's an awesome responsibility and one that she knows could kill her career. I hope she sticks to her principles.

The defense of this comment is just mind boggling and ridiculous; just confirms my decision to only visit here occasionally.

Can you imagine suspending Randi and keeping Lionel on every morning --- !!!

has gotta be the most annoying radio host I've ever heard. His voice itself is awful to listen to and very distracting, never mind if he's actually making a good point. I listened to him for around 10-20 minutes one time and have avoided him like the Plague ever since.

I don't recall Randi talking about DLC or PNAC re HRC . . .
but I was thrilled when she talked about the need for third parties recently ---
of course, after Dems are elected with a big majority and straighten things out ---!!!

But it was, of course, an acknowledgment that we're in bad straights because we've neglected
the need for third parties for so long --- and never protected them!
And never adopted IRV voting ---!!!

http://www.novamradio.com/index.php?pid=30

:applause: :applause:

Thanks for posting the link.