Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Bush is responsible for more death in the past 25 years than any other single human

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread		 This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:44 AM
Original message
Bush is responsible for more death in the past 25 years than any other single human
Not since the likes of Pol Pot and Idi Amin has there been a more murderous regime. Over 4000 US military deaths, and over 600,000 Iraqi deaths - many of which are civilians. Not to mention the legacy of torture, rendition, secret prisons, domestic spying, etc - things usually associated with tyrannical dictators like those mentioned at the beginning of this post.

It is my sincerest hope that once this regime is out of power, there is a real and genuine push to hold these COWARDS responsible for their actions. THEY are the enemy - not Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:48 AM
Response to Original message
1. You mean just during the last 25 years, right? Because otherwise ... Stalin.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #1
6. Isn't that precisely what the thread title says
or did you manage to forget that already?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #6
17. Its not what the thread says at all. I have no idea how many Bush has killed in a 25 year span
"Bush is responsible for more death in the past 25 years than any other single human"

No, it is not what the thread says. It says that Bush's total during the last 25 years was higher than any other human. You qualified Bush's point in time but you didn't qualify it for 'any other single human'. So what you said is simply not at all true. Stalin was responsible for far more deaths during any 25 years you care to single out between 1930 and 1950. Hitler was responsible for more deaths than the entire Bush clan in just the years between 1933 and 1945.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #17
18. in the past 25 years than any other single human
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 11:24 AM by DS1
meaning, 1983 through 2008
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:48 AM
Response to Original message
2. Puh-lease
Look, criticize the guy to your heart's content, but be realistic. If war deaths are going to be ascribed to the president, then how many deaths did FDR cause? Truman? Kennedy? Johnson?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #2
5. The OP is absolutely correct, these deaths would not have occurred without...
an illegal war that "Shit for Brains" was insistent upon.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #2
7. To answer both #1 and #2, re-read the post - "in the past 25 years"
That's why I qualified my statement. If we open it up to all of the 20th century, then yes Bush's crimes pale in comparison to the likes of Stalin and Hitler.

As for FDR, I don't recall him "causing" WWII.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #7
12. Exactly...FDR shouldn't be held responsible for that war and the deaths that
resulted.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #2
10. I think that they've all been dead for more than 25 years. Or did I miss something?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #2
13. Jeez... pre-emptive war on Iraq based on lies, and WWII? Are you kidding? nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #2
14. deleted double post...nt
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 10:19 AM by ThruTheLookingGlass
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #2
16. While we're asking questions, any particular reason you left Nixon off your list?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #16
20. Because
I was making the point that if you want to blame all war-related deaths on the president in power, then one could turn around and try to blame Dem presidents for the war deaths that occurred under their watch. And I don't think anyone would agree to that if the tables were reversed. I don't think it's a fair measure to say that a president is responsible for all deaths that occur in a war.

This whole thread is really about whether there was justification for the war. And the answer to that is no. And did FRD "cause" WWII? No, but he certainly decided to join in even though there was no direct threat to the US and we had not been attacked.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #20
24. Yeah, you're right
Edited on Fri Apr-04-08 11:48 AM by NoGOPZone
We weren't attacked at Pearl Harbor and the remaining Axis powers didn't declare war on us soon afterwards :eyes:

Also your explanation about the point you're trying to make only brings up the issue of why you want every one to see how 'easy' is to "turn around and try to blame Dem presidents for the war deaths that occured under your watch'. I'm not sure I want to know the answer to that one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #24
27. ???
Germany orchestrated Pearl Harbor? Thanks, Professor History.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #27
29. Where did I say that? nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:48 AM
Response to Original message
3. Try 1,196,114 dead Iraqi's! According to ...
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leftyladyfrommo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:49 AM
Response to Original message
4. Actually, I think the Iraqi deaths are much higher.
What I read was over 1 million Iraqi deaths that are a direct result of this war. Plus 30,000 plus wounded Americans - not telling how many thousands of Iraqi wounded.

I know - so much blood on his head and I don't think he gives a rat's ass. That is what makes me think the guy is a sociopath - he just doesn't seem to care at all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #4
9. My thoughts exactly-except I was going to add narcissistic!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:53 AM
Response to Original message
8. "Things would be easier if I were dictator"
He made that point numerous times shortly after the 2000 sElection. And he has obviously ruled like one. He and Cheney and their enabling lackeys ought to spend some quality time at the Hague, explaining why they shouldn't be treated as the war criminals that they are.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 09:54 AM
Response to Original message
11. how many times are we going to say it
THEY ARE WAR CRIMINALS. Never mind about the effing Congress saying that they do not have enough votes, this regime must pay for their deadly deeds.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #11
15. This is beyond Congress
There needs to be an international tribunal set up to deal with something of this magnitude.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #15
26. well we all know that this filthy administration has given the ICC
no respect, I only wish the ICC would make concessions on this to put these thugs on notice and bring charges against them, in the name of crimes against humanity.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:26 AM
Response to Original message
19. Only if you don't count African deaths.
To pick one name out of many, Juvénal Habyarimana. But there are loads of others where that comes from.

I note that your figure for Iraqi deaths appears to be arrived at by comparing death rates before and afterwards, not just direct military casualties. If you apply that method to African leaders who have impoverished and destroyed large areas, Bush won't make the top 10, I suspect.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #19
22. Excellent point
It's a very sad thing that African tragedies get so little play here in the US. There are civil wars, corrupt leaders, mass starvation, genocide, etc. going on, and yet no one really seems to even be aware of it. Why doesn't this get publicized more?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #22
23. True - but is there one single person responsible for those?
Maybe I'm just not informed enough, but I always thought the situation in Africa was more anarchy than anything else, with lots of people fighting and vying for power. I fully realize the horrors of Rwanda and the Congo, but I wasn't aware that there was a single person responsible for much of it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. So?
Does that make the millions of deaths somehow less important? Or less of a tragedy?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #25
28. Not at all
The point of my OP wasn't to belittle the tragedies and genocides that have occurred in Africa or anywhere else in the world. The point was to point out just how much of a vile war criminal our current president is, to try and put his crimes in perspective over the past 25 years.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. There are individuals responsible for vast numbers of deaths.
No single individual is responsible for even a tiny fraction of Africa's woes, but they're large enough that they still encompass plenty of individuals with more blood on their hands than Bush.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:37 AM
Response to Original message
21. BUT RANDI RHODES SHOULD BE FIRED!!!










:sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 11:34 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC