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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 08:38 AM
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So, I guess the sky is falling.
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 08:39 AM by Rosemary2205
I'm here for 5 minutes this fine rainy morning and already 3 newbies have told me the entire banking system in this country is going to fail, all the large retailers are in such deep shit that we might wake up tomorrow and find out Kroger can't afford to bring milk and bread to my neighborhood anymore, and if we don't all learn to live out in the woods with no plumbing and electric we are going to die a miserable death.

Netvocates. They make me smile............

:)



Edit - typo
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:02 AM
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1. Watch 'Meet The Press' this morning and get indeed depressed.
We always joke about the shit hitting the fan before it truly does.

The shit is right around the corner
.....and its not that soft soupy baby orange color.
It is those knock out heavy duty turds........
Mr. Hanky knows.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:05 AM
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2. Woot Mr. Hanky early morning shit stains.
How'd he get that name anyway?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 02:25 PM
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5. Good question!
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:10 AM
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3. Corrections or just plain ole business cycle?
Retailers Taking Their Medicine and Turning Cautious Over Growth

Retail Industry Experts Say Closing Stores and Pulling Back is the Right Move in this Market

The past couple months in retail real estate have been laden with more store closing announcements and news of retailers slowing expansion plans than we've seen in a long time. However, two retail real estate strategy executives, a Wall Street retail analyst and a leading Texas retail real estate broker, confide that closing stores and turning cautious over expansion plans may be the best thing for retailers to be doing right now.

Announcements over the last couple months include Movie Gallery closing another 400 stores; Charming Shoppes closing 150 stores and cutting expansion plans by 50%; Starbucks closing 100 stores and slowing expansion plans by 34%; Ann Taylor shuttering 117 stores and slowing store growth; Boston Market evaluating its real estate opportunities; Buffet Holdings sorting out its underperformers; Sprint Nextel closing 125 stores and 4,000 distribution points; Cost Plus World Market closing 18 stores; Liz Claiborne closing 54 Sigrid Olsen stores; New York & Company axing the Jasmine Sola brand and its 32 stores; Ethan Allen closing 12 stores; PacSun closing all of its 173 demo stores; and Talbots exiting its kids and men's lines through closure of 78 stores.

Others include Rite Aid exiting Nevada by closing 28 stores; Macy's closing nine stores; Krispy Kreme expecting many franchisees to close stores; Kirkland's Home likely closing 130 stores; CompUSA's remaining 103 stores being disposed of; Rent-A-Center closing 280 stores; Sofa Express closing 44 stores in bankruptcy; 84 Lumber closing 12 stores; Home Depot closings some call centers; Levitz Furniture disposing of 76 stores in bankruptcy; Pep Boys closing 31 stores; Lifetime Brands closing 30 stores; Big A Drugs liquidating its 21 stores; and more.

CoStar Group


Friedman's Inc., which operated 455 retail jewelry stores, to Hold Bankruptcy Liquidation Sale


Investment bankers in search of a new business model

We haven’t seen anything as bad as this in the 30-year period we looked at,” said James Davis at consultants Oliver Wyman, who recently conducted a review of investment banking with Nick Studer at Wyman and Huw van Steenis at Morgan Stanley. “You’d probably have to go back to the 1930s to get something quite as bad.”

The study takes as a base case that net revenue in investment banking falls 18% this year, but might fall as much as 45% in a “bear” scenario.
Financial Week
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 11:22 AM
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4. Yeah, I hate it when the sky falls too
It's really difficult to get out of my hair, and even then, you can't get the stink off without lye soap.

Blech. Sky bits. Hate that.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:02 PM
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6. You obviously don't have a f*cking clue.
Must be nice to be part of the rich elite and have no worries unlike the rest of us peons, right? :eyes:


FACTS:

The Federal Reserve has been bailing out the stock market to the tune of billions of dollars.

The housing market has crashed across the country & millions of people are being foreclosed upon.

The price of gas is almost triple what it was just a few years ago.

The price of food has gone up to the point that people already living paycheck to paycheck are having to choose whether to pay the rent or buy food.


FYI:
A financial tsunami is on the way. Myself and many others on DU have seen it coming for YEARS now.

I don't need to hear you spout off rethuglican denial and talking points about what's happening, because what you're saying is TOTAL bullshit.

That a "newbie" wants to warn us all and you diss them for it speaks volumes about you. :puke:



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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:41 PM
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10. Why bother?
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 05:43 PM by TheWatcher
What you say is true, but it doesn't matter to someone with an attitude like this.

It's all about feeling good and not having to deal with that kind of adversity, or for that matter, that the possibility for it even exists, or could ever do so. In nine months, everything will be OK. I mean, haven't you heard the pundits on Bubblevision who have assured us in not so Hooverian like fashion that the Economic Crisis is OVER and we can all get back to The American Wet Dream? I mean, look at how resilient the Dow is. Things just aren't that bad, you know.

Even if the Hard Rain does fall, The OP of this thread won't even realize they are getting wet.

They'll still be too busy trying to get a tan.

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:58 PM
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14. I guess I'm just sick of attitudes like this. You know, "it's not my problem so why should I care?"
That kind of ignorance, denial and lack of compassion is one of the main reasons why this country is in the condition it's in.

I'm sick to death of it.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:26 PM
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16. I was reserving comment on the OPs comments
because the OP seems to have a perpetually acerbic attitude. But dissing "newbies" is a pet peeve of mine. Apparently just because a new DUer has only recently discovered DU (or whatever other reason they've just come to join us), they can't possibly have any idea what's going on in the world. Of course, I'm being sarcastic. After all, when I became involved with DU, it was because I saw the sky falling. But, I digress.

Meanwhile, in other news, Barton M. Biggs, the former chief global strategist at Morgan Stanley, believes that people should “assume the possibility of a breakdown of the civilized infrastructure.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/fashion/06survival.html?_r=1&ref=fashion&oref=slogin

Sounds like sky-falling shit to me. But then what does he know? I'm sure the OP has all of the resources and contacts of a former chief global strategist of Morgan Stanley, and then some, from which to draw her opinion.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 04:05 PM
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7. Yes. The universe is ending. And anyone who doesn't demonstrate enough outrage...
... is obviously in cahoots with them.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:37 PM
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8. Ahhhh, The Blue Pill People. You don't make me smile......
But you're fascinating to say the least.



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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:41 PM
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9. Rosemary do you KNOW who, or rather what the IMF is?
You also know they did say that the crisis coming to the US is the worst since the Great Depression

(WHOOHOO THEY SEEM TO HAVE QUOTED ME)

Anyhow, you also realize they said that the chances of a WORLD WIDE RECESSION are over 25% and WORLD WIDE GDP is expected to drop from
4.3 to 3.2.

Is the IMF (International Monetary Fund) enough to wake you up from the delusion that all will be fine? I mean they don't speak in those dire terms UNLESS things are really and truly bad,
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 05:42 PM
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11. I'm sorry, but I am indeed scared
These past seven years have been a nightmare. I don't necessarily worry about my future; it's the future of my kids that I worry about the most.

I told all three of them that they always have a home here. I think you'll really be seeing the young ones stay at home because of necessity for a long, long time, thanks to the supply siders. Bush and his ilk have destroyed our economy, and quite possibly a chance for a successful future for my children.

The sky is falling, perhaps not on me, but definitely on my children. And possibly their children as well.
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:53 PM
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12. Relax
The sky is not falling. The United States is in position for the next 50 years of great growth. The next several might be a little rocky, but nothing like the great depression.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 06:55 PM
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13. I hate to point out that the IMF disagrees with you
and they are FAR FROM LIBERAL nutjobs... no pun but when even the International Monetary Fund refers to this as the worst crisis SINCE the great depression... you should start paying attention
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 07:04 PM
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15. You forgot
Democracy was also dead (or in mortal peril) the day Randi Whatshername got suspended.

Used to be, presidents had to get shot for people to get all doomy like this. Maybe it's a generational thing.

I won't understate the economic problems, it's going to be bumpy. But as was intimated upstream, don't stockpile canned water just yet.

Of course, I'm in a privileged position. My neighbor down the county road's got a freezer full of elk.
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