I no longer blame bush for the things he has done, and neither should you

There are MANY countries with armies - chock full of weapons - and that is the problem. Just like there are millions here with guns we have learned that they are not to blame for their actions, but that the problem is that they have access to them.

bush is not the problem, weapons of war are. All those other countries not doing the same thing as we are in Iraq and such? Well, they will - just give em time (there didn't used to be violence and war ya know).

If we just restricted his access (ie, if congress did) he would be skipping happily along making our lives better instead of worse. The poor guy never had a chance, and we need to look at the real causes for his actions. He had access to guns as did those he commanded. Clinton did as well, as did Carter, et al - and look at what all hell they caused too. bush is not the problem, we are for giving him money and weapons like we have other presidents. It is NOT his fault, he never had a chance....

It is high time we realized that the problems in our society is access to things - from guns to cigarettes. If we could just get past that pesky thing called freedom and get a real ruler in place we could control what other people do, and there would be no more death and suffering.

People would no longer be free to harm themselves or make bad choices - all we need is a pope (or a king) to make sure we all obey and don't eat twinkies and drink soda pop (or fast food and such).

We CAN make a better society when we force others to fall in line with our beliefs and our one true way to heaven/nirvana/utopia.

It is time for you to submit, for the good of the homeland. For the good of the group.

it is time to be the good citizen and shelve your ideas of freedom for the benefit of others.

Give up your freedoms, hopes, and dreams and instead focus your life and skills on the church...err society.

Them crazy fundies have said for years that an anti-christ would come along and make people conform and promise them a better world and peace everlasting. We should welcome that person when they get here and let them rule us because then we can insure others don't do things we don't like, they will learn to live solely for others. He/She will make it all better and control us to a T - and all will be good and sinners like me who smoke/drink/own guns/etc will be gone and life will be all good....


it is time for sarcasm :) (wait, is that gasoline on my flame suit???? :rofl: )

nearly sprayed the monitor with coffee when I saw the title of this thread.

thanks for the piece, it is most welcome.

I just found out last night that he was one of the Greatest Men who ever walked the planet.

Just try posting something less than fawning about the motherfucker and you, too, will become so enlightened.

I can't find those stats anywhere...

Is it the weapon or the people with them?

Loads of NRA members own guns, how many of them use them to kill others?

I used to work in the reloading industry, and none of those people I knew used their guns to harm others.

So are the problems we have guns, or society and mental health/drug abuse issues?

right to bear arms...to me any one who sells, promotes the sale, and uses arms to murder innocent peopele be they an entire nation (Iraq) or an entire family...the promotion and sale of arms is EVIL!

But he was Hell on Wheels in a chariot.

I don't care how many people he shot or didn't shoot.

What pisses me off is how he whored out to the right wing.

I hope he is sitting on Falwell's lap in Hell.

Watching Saint Ronnie do his Famous Fan Dance, purple wig, pantyhose, and all that.

He's dead, Jim.

They just realized it, yesterday.

Who's gonna save us now?

:applause:

post before knee-jerking a response!

So what you are saying is, if we hand a gun to a retard and he shoots us, we are not to blame?

All this "individual responsibility is the answer" crap is just another way of saying no one should have to take responsibility for anything.

All the countries in the world that take the sensible position that a society awash in weaponry is not going to be very safe are dictatorships with no civil liberty, is that it? Personally, I'd like to be free to live in a country where I don't have to worry about being gunned down by some loon for no reason. But I guess that kind of freedom is a threat to you.

"All this "individual responsibility is the answer" crap is just another way of saying no one should have to take responsibility for anything."

I think the opposite is true - individual responsibility is the key to it all - and yet some others think we should blame everyone for the deeds of a few who did not take individual responsibility.

We do take a sensible position in who can own guns, and yet there are still some individuals who just don't care - should we punish the whole for the actions of the few?

Tell me, what society can you live in where: "I don't have to worry about being gunned down by some loon for no reason"

If you spend your whole life worrying over what others "may" do with their rights, then you will lose a lot of sleep.

Full disclosure: I'm a Luciferian Satanist so perhaps I can't understand their mindset but what does the devil care if we are one nation or two hundred? And if you actually think about it, teh Christian God has always been the one to impose rules which is why Lucifer's message has always been one of anarchy, chaos, rebellion and ultimatly, the personal responsibility which can only be found from within, not imposed by the group.

and that is the question.

At what point do we define it as a difference? When we use 'scientific' studies that suit our pre-conceived notions (while disregarding those that don't fit our views)?

Somewhere along the line we have to stand up and say we are for freedom - for people to be different. Whether it be in marriage amongst folks of the same sex or people owning guns/smoking/et al.

Fundies are not just those of a religious persuasion. They come in all shapes and sizes. And sometimes they come clothed as progressives telling me that I am better off living my life their way.

I always defined "fundie" (as opposed to "fundementalist") as those who married a fundementalist approach to religion to extreme-right politics, effectively creating a weird hybrid of Christianity (for a nominal value of "Christian" anyway) and nationalism. To all intents and purposes, that hybrid has become a religion in it's own right, in the same way as Mormonism grew out of Christianity. To the true fundie (as I define the term), Reagan and Jesus are on about the same level; the Bible shares it's "Holy Book" status with The World Is Flat and The Way Things Ought To Be.

Me? I say do what you want to do. We don't have holy books as such but we do have influential writings and one of those states "Do what thou will, for that is thy right as a being of free will but remember and respect always, that others hold that right as well" (Philosophies, TDA). We are requested (NEVER commanded) to intervene when we observe injustice but beyond that, live and let live. I hold a minister's license and I'll happily marry any two adults who want to be married (albeit, I'm British so it's not legal until they register their union).

I do want to make one thing clear. When I speak of my own beliefs, I am saying they are right for me. I have no right to speak for you or anyone else.

W is totally to blame

vanity? :rofl:

You're a little late for April Fools.