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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:15 PM
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When a law is predicated on the "prerogative" to torture
Bush's military commissions are predicated on the flawed, and downright illegal, "legal" premises contained in the various “torture memos."

And if those torture memos are contrary to America's rule of law, then Bush's military commissions, backed by the 109th Congress, are as well.


Repeal the MCA of 2006. There is no "fixing" such egregious legislation.

More especially legislation that could have easily been taken from the “legal” opinions known as the “torture memos”


In the January 9, 2002 memo to Haynes from Yoo, it is argued that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to Taliban “militia” and are not entitled to POW status protections, and that the President has the authority to suspend all treaties with Afghanistan.

The same memo also argues that customary law does not apply either and that the President can disregard customary law as well.

The memo clearly states these premises in support of treatment of detainees at GTMO and other holding areas, as well as military commissions.






In the January 25, 2002 memo from Alberto Gonzales to Bush states that “The president has the authority to decide that Geneva does not apply.

The war on terror is a "new kind of war" "in my judgment this new paradigm renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners .”




In the February 1, 2002 memo, from Ashcroft to Bush, Ashcroft states, “if the determination is made that Afghanistan was a failed state, and not a party to the treaty (Geneva), (then) various risks of legal liability…are minimized”

“…Presidential determination against treaty applicability would provide the highest assruance that no court would subsequently entertain charges that (military, CIA, etc, ) violated GC rules relating to…detention conduct or interrogation of detainees.”





In the February 7, 2002 memo, from Bush to the “Principals Committee”, Bush states “I accept the legal conclusion of the Department of Justice and determine that none of the provisions of Geneva apply to our conflict with a1 Qaeda in
Afghanistan or elsewhere throughout the world”

“I also accept the legal conclusion of the Department of justice and determine that common Article 3 of Geneva does not apply to either al Qaeda or Taliban detainees”

“Based on the fact 9 supplied by the Department of Defense and the recommendations of the Department of
Justice, I determine that the 'Taliban detainees are unlawful combatants and, therefore, do not qualify as
prisoners of war under Article 4 of Geneva. I note that, because Geneva does not apply to our conflict
with a1 Qaeda, a1 Qaeda detainees also do not qualify as prisoners of war.”




In the August 1, 2002 memo, from Bybee to Gonzales, states:

“Key Issues: Standards of conduct for torture under American law (Sections 2340-2340A of Title 18 of the U.S. Code) Defining torture so as to justify gaining maximum information.

Key Legal Advice Given:
Defines torture as methods that cause "severe physical or mental pain or suffering." Defines "severe pain" as involving damage that rises "to the level of death, organ failure, or the permanent impairment of a significant body function."
Also concludes that torture requires specific intent to cause prolonged mental harm such that defendant's good-faith belief that the acts were not torture constitute a "complete defense to such a charge."
To be torture, "acts must penetrate to the core of an individual's ability to perceive the world around him, substantially interfering with his cognitive abilities, or fundamentally alter his personality."





In the November 27, 2002 memo, from Haynes to Rumsfeld states:

“Key Issues: Seeking approval for three counter-resistance techniques to be used in interrogations.

Key Legal Advice Given:
Categories I and II approved; category III denied.
Category I: Use of mild and fear-related techniques.
Category II: Use of stress positions; use of falsified documents; isolation for up to 30 days; removal of clothing; preying on fears (i.e., dogs); interrogation outside standard interrogation room "so long as no severe physical pain inflicted and prolonged mental harm intended."

Deprivation of light and sound, use of hoods, and use of 20-hour interrogations are all legally permissible.
Category III: Use of death threats or threats of imminent physical harm not illegal but should be utilized with caution. Exposure to cold, water, or use of wet towel to suggest suffocation not approved.

"Based on the Supreme Court framework utilized to assess whether a public official has violated the Eighth Amendment, so long as the force used could have plausibly been thought necessary in a particular situation in order to achieve a legitimate governmental objective and it was applied in a good faith effort and not maliciously or sadistically for the purpose of causing harm, the proposed techniques are likely to pass constitutional muster."





The above memo also includes Rumsfeld’s reply, AKA, the December 2, 2002 memo, as well as a chain of memos that clearly show motive and intent for premises and conclusions.


- Continue reading ALL the documents and memos that accompany the above memo. You’ll read how since the Geneva Conventions don’t apply, they feel they have wider latitude on “enhancing….interrogation techniques”

(There’s that term Bush would go on to use repeatedly...talk about "birthing pangs", eh, Rice?)



In the January 15, 2003 memo, from Rumsfeld to the Commander of Southern Command:

Key Issues: Approved interrogation techniques at Guantanamo Bay.

Key Legal Advice Given:
Rescinds approval for some of the above techniques at Guantanamo. But instructs head of U.S. Southern Command that, "should you determine that particular techniques in either of these categories are warranted in an individual case, you should forward that request to me." Such requests require a "thorough justification."




Also on January 15, 2003, from Rumsfeld to Haynes, from that memo:

“Key Issues: Detainee interrogations.

Key Legal Advice Given:
Seeks the establishment of a working group to assess all aspects of detainee interrogations.





From the http://www.slate.com/features/whatistorture/pdfs/030306.PDF">March 6, 2003 memo, from the DOD legal task force to Rumsfeld:

Key Issues: Working Group Report on interrogation techniques in war on terror.

Allegedly this document was brought by Gen. Geoffrey Miller from Guantanamo to Iraq in 2003 to govern interrogations there as well.

“Key Legal Advice Given:

The Geneva Conventions do not apply to al-Qaida; Article 4 of the Geneva Conventions does not apply to the Taliban.

The 1994 Convention against torture defines torture as "specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering" and that suffering refers to: 1) intentional infliction of pain or suffering; 2) administration or threats of mind-altering substances; 3) threat of imminent death; 4) threats to third parties. "In sum, the obligations under the Torture Convention apply to the unlawful combatant detainees, but only as defined in the U.S. understanding."

"Customary international law cannot bind the Executive Branch because it is not federal law."

18 USC Section 2340 (the federal torture statute) applies only to offenses that occur outside the United States. Guantanamo Bay is considered within the U.S. for purposes of the torture statute, "thus the torture statute does not apply to the conduct of US personnel at GTMO."

Also, to violate 2340 the actor must have specifically intended "to disobey the law."

Even if the defendant knows that severe pain will result from his actions, "if causing such harm is not his objective, he lacks the requisite specific intent even though the defendant did not act in good faith."





- I trust I don’t need to tell anyone to note the “good faith” talking point.




In the March 14, 2003 infamous Yoo memo, Yoo writes, “The victim must experience intense pain or suffering of the kind that is equivalent to the pain that would be associated with serious physical injury so severe that death, organ failure or permanent damage resulting in a loss of significant body functions will likely result”

"We conclude that torture within the meaning of the statute requires the specific intent to cause prolonged mental hann by one of the acts listed in section 2340(2)."

"In other words, other acts not included within section 2340(2)'5 enumeration are not within the statutory prohibition."

“Even if an interrogation method arguably were to violate a criminal statute, the Justice Department could not bring a prosecution because the statute would be unconstitutional as applied in this context”

"In fact, in enacting the torture statute to implement CAT, Congress declined to adopt language from the treaty's definition of torture that arguably seeks to prohibit the weighing of values. As discussed above CAT defines torture as the intentional infliction of severe pain or suffering "for such purpose as obtaining 'from him or a third person information, or a confession." CAT art. 1.1. It could be argued that this definition means that the good of obtaining information-no matter what the circumstances-cannot justify an act of torture. In other words, necessity would not be a defense."


(you know, that good old "ticking time bomb")




- If an act isn't listed, which has been an argument championed by torture supporters, "it doesn't say we can't do it" or "it doesn't mention water-boarding specifically" and if it isn't of a prolonged nature, then it isn't torture per Yoo. So if you only water-board a person for 30 seconds...it doesn't rise to the level of torture...besides, water-boarding isn't named specifically as something you can't do.


- Yoo’s memo, like the Bybee memo before it, narrows the definition of what constitutes torture and attempts to redefine the meaning of the word severe to limit what actions rise to the level of torture.


Yoo also writes, "One of the core functions of the Commander in Chief is that of capturing, detaining, and interrogating members ofthe enemy. See, e.g., Memorandum for WilliamJ. Haynes II, General Counsel, Department of Defense, from Jay S. Bybee, Assistant Attorney General, Office of
Legal Counsel, Re: The President's Power as Commander in Chief to Transfer Captured
Terrorists to the Control and Custody of Foreign Nations at 3 (Mar. 13, 2002)


- While reading the various "torture memos", aside from them all sounding alike, you'll also notice that one torture memo will refer back to the other torture memos as a legal authority for substantiating the torture memo being presented at the time.




In the April 16, 2003 memo, by Rumsfeld and Hill (Commander, Southern Command), Rumsfeld says, “The techniques I authorize are those lettered A-X set out at Tab A”

Interrogations Techniques

A. Asking straightforward questions.

B. Incentive/Removal of Incentive:
Caution: Other nations that believe that detainees are entitled
to POW protections may consider that provision and retention of religious items
(e.g.. the Koran) are protected under international law - see, Geneva III, Article
34. Although the provisions of the Geneva Convention are not applicable to the
interrogation of unlawful combatants. consideration should be given to those
views prior to application of the technique.


Declassify on 2 April 2013 (or, after I’m out of office, or possibly even dead)

snip

* NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS


I. Pride and Ego Down: Attacking or insulting the ego of a detain=,
not beyond the limits that would apply to a POW. Caution: Article 17 of
Geneva Ill provides, *Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be
threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous,
treatment of any kind." Other nations that believe that detainees are entitled to
POW protections may consider this technique inconsistent with the provisions
of Geneva. Although the provisions of Geneva are not applicable to the
interrogation of unlawful combatants, consideration should be given to these
views prior to application of the technique.


snip

X. Isolation: Isolating the detainee from other detainees…
Caution: The use of isolation as an interrogation technique requires detailed
implementation instructions, including specific guidelines regarding the length of isolation, medical and
psychological review, and approval for extensions of the length of isolation by the appropriate
level in the chain of command. This technique is not known to
have been generally used for interrogation purposes for longer than 30 days.

Those nations that believe detainees are subject to POW protections may view
use of this technique as inconsistent with the requirements of Geneva ,
Article 13 which provides that POW must be protected against acts of
intimidation; Article 14 which provider, that POW8 an entitled to respect for
their person; Article 34 which prohibits coercion and Article 126 which ensures
access and basic standards of treatment. Although the provisions of Geneva
ate not applicable to the interrogation of unlawful combatants….”





- The above “Caution” is repeated several times throughout A-Z.

Also from that memo:

“The title of a particular technique is not always fully descriptive of a
particular technique. With respect to the employment of any techniques
involving physical contact, stress or that could produce physical pain or harm,
a detailed explanation of that technique must be provided to the decision
authority prior to any decision.”


“Interrogations must always be planned. deliberate actions that take
into account numerous, often interlocking factors such as a detainees current
and past performance in both detention and interrogation. Detainee’s
emotional and physical strengths and weaknesses, an assessment of possible
approaches that may work on a certain detainee in an effort to gain the trust of
the detainee. Strengths and weaknesses of interrogators. and augmentation by
other personnel for a certain detainees based on other factors”




- Also, consider the overall timeline and the recent articles exposing the actions of the “Principals Committee”, and these words, “The high-level discussions about these "enhanced interrogation techniques" were so detailed, these sources said, some of the interrogation sessions were almost choreographed -- down to the number of times CIA agents could use a specific tactic. ”

Keeping in mind that Rumsfeld was a member of the “Principals Committee.”



Now a look at the Military Commissions Act of 2006.

For comparison, see the above "torture memos"


‘‘§ 948a. Definitions

‘‘In this chapter:

‘‘(1) UNLAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT.—(A) The term ‘unlawful
enemy combatant’ means—

‘‘(i) a person who has engaged in hostilities or who
has purposefully and materially supported hostilities
against the United States or its co-belligerents who is
not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who
is part of the Taliban, al Qaeda, or associated forces);

Or

‘‘(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of
the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006,
has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant
by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent
tribunal established under the authority of the
President or the Secretary of Defense.”





‘‘§ 948b. Military commissions generally


‘‘(g) GENEVA CONVENTIONS NOT ESTABLISHING SOURCE OF
RIGHTS.—No alien unlawful enemy combatant subject to trial by
military commission under this chapter may invoke the Geneva
Conventions as a source of rights.


‘‘§ 948c. Persons subject to military commissions

‘‘Any alien unlawful enemy combatant is subject to trial by
military commission under this chapter.


‘‘§ 948d. Jurisdiction of military commissions

‘‘(c) DETERMINATION OF UNLAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT STATUS
DISPOSITIVE.—A finding, whether before, on, or after the date of
the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, by a
Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal
established under the authority of the President or the Secretary
of Defense that a person is an unlawful enemy combatant is dispositive
for purposes of jurisdiction for trial by military commission
under this chapter.


‘‘§ 948r. Compulsory self-incrimination prohibited; treatment
of statements obtained by torture and other statements


‘‘(b) EXCLUSION OF STATEMENTS OBTAINED BY TORTURE.—A
statement obtained by use of torture shall not be admissible in
a military commission under this chapter, except against a person
accused of torture as evidence that the statement was made.

‘‘(c) STATEMENTS OBTAINED BEFORE ENACTMENT OF DETAINEE
TREATMENT ACT OF 2005.—A statement obtained before December
30, 2005 (the date of the enactment of the Defense Treatment
Act of 2005) in which the degree of coercion is disputed may be
admitted only if the military judge finds that—

‘‘(1) the totality of the circumstances renders the statement
reliable and possessing sufficient probative value; and

‘‘(2) the interests of justice would best be served by admission
of the statement into evidence.

‘‘(d) STATEMENTS OBTAINED AFTER ENACTMENT OF DETAINEE
TREATMENT ACT OF 2005.—A statement obtained on or after
December 30, 2005 (the date of the enactment of the Defense
Treatment Act of 2005) in which the degree of coercion is disputed
may be admitted only if the military judge finds that—

‘‘(1) the totality of the circumstances renders the statement
reliable and possessing sufficient probative value;

‘‘(2) the interests of justice would best be served by admission
of the statement into evidence; and

‘‘(3) the interrogation methods used to obtain the statement
do not amount to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment
prohibited by section 1003 of the Detainee Treatment Act of
2005.



‘‘§ 949a. Rules

‘‘(a) PROCEDURES AND RULES OF EVIDENCE.—Pretrial, trial, and
post-trial procedures, including elements and modes of proof, for
cases triable by military commission under this chapter may be
prescribed by the Secretary of Defense,


‘‘(A) Evidence shall be admissible if the military judge
determines that the evidence would have probative value to
a reasonable person.


‘‘(C) A statement of the accused that is otherwise admissible
shall not be excluded from trial by military commission on
grounds of alleged coercion or compulsory self-incrimination
so long as the evidence complies with the provisions of section
948r of this title.


‘‘§ 949d. Sessions

‘‘(f) PROTECTION OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.—

‘‘(1) NATIONAL SECURITY PRIVILEGE.—(A) Classified
information shall be protected and is privileged from disclosure
if disclosure would be detrimental to the national security.
The rule in the preceding sentence applies to all stages of
the proceedings of military commissions under this chapter.
‘‘(B) The privilege referred to in subparagraph (A) may
be claimed by the head of the executive or military department
or government agency concerned based on a finding by the
head of that department or agency that—
‘‘(i) the information is properly classified; and
‘‘(ii) disclosure of the information would be detrimental
to the national security.
‘‘(C) A person who may claim the privilege referred to
in subparagraph (A) may authorize a representative, witness,
or trial counsel to claim the privilege and make the finding
described in subparagraph (B) on behalf of such person. The
authority of the representative, witness, or trial counsel to
do so is presumed in the absence of evidence to the contrary.
‘‘(2) INTRODUCTION OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.—
‘‘(A) ALTERNATIVES TO DISCLOSURE.—To protect classified
information from disclosure, the military judge, upon
motion of trial counsel, shall authorize, to the extent
practicable—
‘‘(i) the deletion of specified items of classified
information from documents to be introduced as evidence
before the military commission;
‘‘(ii) the substitution of a portion or summary of
the information for such classified documents; or
‘‘(iii) the substitution of a statement of relevant
facts that the classified information would tend to
Prove


‘‘(B) PROTECTION OF SOURCES, METHODS, OR ACTIVITIES.—
The military judge, upon motion of trial counsel,
shall permit trial counsel to introduce otherwise admissible
evidence before the military commission, while protecting
from disclosure the sources, methods, or activities by which
the United States acquired the evidence if the military
judge finds that (i) the sources, methods, or activities by
which the United States acquired the evidence are classified,
and (ii) the evidence is reliable. The military judge
may require trial counsel to present to the military commission
and the defense, to the extent practicable and consistent
with national security, an unclassified summary
of the sources, methods, or activities by which the United
States acquired the evidence.


- Here everyone should recall how often we hear information can’t be released because of national security concerns. An excuse that has repeatedly stifled any real investigation into abuses and crimes by the Bush administration.

Also keeping in mind that with a judge, or convening authority handpicked by the Bush administration, “protecting the methods” used to “acquire evidence”, that allows “evidence” gained by torture to be introduced.


‘‘§ 950j. Finality or proceedings, findings, and sentences


‘‘(b) PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER SOLE BASIS FOR REVIEW OF MILITARY
COMMISSION PROCEDURES AND ACTIONS.—Except as otherwise
provided in this chapter and notwithstanding any other provision
of law (including section 2241 of title 28 or any other habeas
corpus provision), no court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction
S. 3930—25
to hear or consider any claim or cause of action whatsoever,
including any action pending on or filed after the date of the
enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, relating to
the prosecution, trial, or judgment of a military commission under
this chapter, including challenges to the lawfulness of procedures
of military commissions under this chapter.



SEC. 5. TREATY OBLIGATIONS NOT ESTABLISHING GROUNDS FOR CERTAIN
CLAIMS.


(a) IN GENERAL.—No person may invoke the Geneva Conventions
or any protocols thereto in any habeas corpus or other civil
action or proceeding to which the United States, or a current
or former officer, employee, member of the Armed Forces, or other
agent of the United States is a party as a source of rights in
any court of the United States or its States or territories.

- That put the quietus on habeas corpus (as well as the below section). And as you can see, the torture memos advocated that the Geneva Conventions - the treaty itself - do not apply to certain persons, and the MCA of 2006 just allowed for the same thing - but using kinder, gentler words. The memos also claimed a President could disregard the treaty - and by rewriting who is protected by the treaty, the MCA of 2006 complies with the torture memos.

Which brings us to this part of the MCA of 2006.


SEC. 6. IMPLEMENTATION OF TREATY OBLIGATIONS.


(b) REVISION TO WAR CRIMES OFFENSE UNDER FEDERAL
CRIMINAL CODE.—

(1) IN GENERAL.—Section 2441 of title 18, United States
Code, is amended—
(A) in subsection (c), by striking paragraph (3) and
inserting the following new paragraph (3):
‘‘(3) which constitutes a grave breach of common Article
3 (as defined in subsection (d)) when committed in the context
of and in association with an armed conflict not of an international
character; or’’; and

(B) by adding at the end the following new subsection:
‘‘(d) COMMON ARTICLE 3 VIOLATIONS.—
‘‘(1) PROHIBITED CONDUCT.—In subsection (c)(3), the term
‘grave breach of common Article 3’ means any conduct (such
conduct constituting a grave breach of common Article 3 of
the international conventions done at Geneva August 12, 1949),
as follows:

‘‘(A) TORTURE.—The act of a person who commits, or
conspires or attempts to commit, an act specifically
intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering
(other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful
sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical
control for the purpose of obtaining information or
a confession, punishment, intimidation, coercion, or any
reason based on discrimination of any kind.
‘‘(B) CRUEL OR INHUMAN TREATMENT.—The act of a
person who commits, or conspires or attempts to commit,
an act intended to inflict severe or serious physical or
mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental
to lawful sanctions), including serious physical
abuse, upon another within his custody or control.
‘‘(C) PERFORMING BIOLOGICAL EXPERIMENTS.—The act
of a person who subjects, or conspires or attempts to subject,
one or more persons within his custody or physical
control to biological experiments without a legitimate medical
or dental purpose and in so doing endangers the body
or health of such person or persons.
‘‘(D) MURDER.—The act of a person who intentionally
kills, or conspires or attempts to kill, or kills whether
intentionally or unintentionally in the course of committing
any other offense under this subsection, one or more persons
taking no active part in the hostilities, including those
placed out of combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or
any other cause.
S. 3930—35
‘‘(E) MUTILATION OR MAIMING.—The act of a person
who intentionally injures, or conspires or attempts to
injure, or injures whether intentionally or unintentionally
in the course of committing any other offense under this
subsection, one or more persons taking no active part in
the hostilities, including those placed out of combat by
sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, by disfiguring
the person or persons by any mutilation thereof
or by permanently disabling any member, limb, or organ
of his body, without any legitimate medical or dental purpose.
‘‘(F) INTENTIONALLY CAUSING SERIOUS BODILY INJURY.—
The act of a person who intentionally causes, or conspires
or attempts to cause, serious bodily injury to one or more
persons, including lawful combatants, in violation of the
law of war.
‘‘(G) RAPE.—The act of a person who forcibly or with
coercion or threat of force wrongfully invades, or conspires
or attempts to invade, the body of a person by penetrating,
however slightly, the anal or genital opening of the victim
with any part of the body of the accused, or with any
foreign object.
‘‘(H) SEXUAL ASSAULT OR ABUSE.—The act of a person
who forcibly or with coercion or threat of force engages,
or conspires or attempts to engage, in sexual contact with
one or more persons, or causes, or conspires or attempts
to cause, one or more persons to engage in sexual contact.
‘‘(I) TAKING HOSTAGES.—The act of a person who,
having knowingly seized or detained one or more persons,
threatens to kill, injure, or continue to detain such person
or persons with the intent of compelling any nation, person
other than the hostage, or group of persons to act or refrain
from acting as an explicit or implicit condition for the
safety or release of such person or persons.


‘‘(2) DEFINITIONS.—In the case of an offense under subsection
(a) by reason of subsection (c)(3)—
‘‘(A) the term ‘severe mental pain or suffering’ shall
be applied for purposes of paragraphs (1)(A) and (1)(B)
in accordance with the meaning given that term in section
2340(2) of this title;
‘‘(B) the term ‘serious bodily injury’ shall be applied
for purposes of paragraph (1)(F) in accordance with the
meaning given that term in section 113(b)(2) of this title;
‘‘(C) the term ‘sexual contact’ shall be applied for purposes
of paragraph (1)(G) in accordance with the meaning
given that term in section 2246(3) of this title;

‘(D) the term ‘serious physical pain or suffering’ shall
be applied for purposes of paragraph (1)(B) as meaning
bodily injury that involves—

‘‘(i) a substantial risk of death;
‘‘(ii) extreme physical pain;
‘‘(iii) a burn or physical disfigurement of a serious
nature (other than cuts, abrasions, or bruises); or
‘‘(iv) significant loss or impairment of the function
of a bodily member, organ, or mental faculty; and

‘‘(E) the term ‘serious mental pain or suffering’ shall
be applied for purposes of paragraph (1)(B) in accordance
S. 3930—36
with the meaning given the term ‘severe mental pain or
suffering’ (as defined in section 2340(2) of this title), except
that—
‘‘(i) the term ‘serious’ shall replace the term ‘severe’
where it appears; and
‘‘(ii) as to conduct occurring after the date of the
enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006,
the term ‘serious and non-transitory mental harm
(which need not be prolonged)’ shall replace the term
‘prolonged mental harm’ where it appears



Note the wording of the definition under (2)Definitions - (D)


Also not the changes under (2) Definitions - (E) i and ii






Now, read what the ACLU has to say about that:


ACLU Letter to the Senate Strongly Urging Opposition to S. 3930, the Military Commissions Act of 2006


“The American Civil Liberties Union strongly urges you to oppose S. 3930, the Military Commissions Act of 2006, unless amended to ensure that:

the President will have no authority to authorize any of the acts prohibited by Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions and the Army Field Manual on Interrogations, which reinforces the Common Article 3 prohibitions;

the courts are not stripped of their historical and constitutional role as a check on the Executive Branch, in ensuring that the protections of the Constitution and Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions are enforced;

government officials who authorized or ordered illegal acts of torture and abuse will not receive retroactive immunity;

no one can be convicted on the basis of evidence that was literally beaten out of a witness or obtained through other abuse by either the federal government or by countries such as Syria, Jordan, or Egypt that tortured and abused persons sent to them by the federal government;

at minimum, those acts which violate the McCain anti-torture amendment remain criminal acts under the War Crimes Act.”



“Moreover, by revamping the War Crimes Act and retroactively applying the new provisions, S. 3930 replaces a provision criminalizing “grave breaches” of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions with a list of violations that is less inclusive and less certain than current law. For example, subsection 8(b) of S. 3930 will give the Executive Branch and its prosecutors discretion to answer new questions such as:

- whether the “serious physical or mental pain or suffering” is different than “severe,”

- whether “cuts, abrasions, or bruises” can be the basis for a crime when they appear to be specifically excluded from the list of “serious physical pain or suffering,”

- whether the requirement of “bodily injury” in the definition of “serious physical pain or suffering” means that waterboarding cannot be “serious physical pain or suffering,” and

- whether the bill’s prohibition against “serious and non-transitory mental harm (which need not be prolonged)” bars prosecutions for brief use of waterboarding or mock executions.

Administration officials--instead of Congress--will be the ones specifying which acts fall within each of these new terms.”




- The Military Commissions Act of 2006 sounds an awful lot like the "legal" opinions contained within the various “torture memos”

- From the word "unitary executive", Bush's military tribunals have been a farce and a mockery of justice. The Military Commissions Act of 2006, which was heralded as bringing those tribunals more in line with law, did not accomplish that purported goal and should be repealed. Fact is, Bush, his "Principals Committee", and the authors of the torture memos pretty much got what they wanted.







Other articles worth noting

ACLU MCA Fact Sheet

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:41 PM
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1. Ok. You're making my eyes bleed. However, this is important (critical!) stuff.
John Yoo created the legal backstop for George Bush when he continually offered his opinions about clearly illegal programs. Bush cannot be impeached until the mechanism is found to unravel Yoo's memos AND the House can find a spine.

Your post outlines the path for unraveling Yoo. With any luck, the House will take serious note.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:44 PM
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2. I'm sorry! (about the eye bleed)
I know it's a lot at once and it certainly could be formatted better.

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:45 PM
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3. Don't apologize. Two thumbs up for great work!!! (edited)
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 06:54 PM by Buzz Clik
:thumbsup::thumbsup: :yourock:


I have zero training in law, but I've been listening to lawyers discuss Bush's vulnerabilities (or lack thereof) and John Yoo for four solid years. Yoo is THE biggest roadblock -- maybe the only roadblock -- to impeachment for all this criminal activity. I'm glad to see this all coming together, even this late in the game.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:58 AM
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26. Yoo's slick. Yeah, he's full of shit....but that doesn't make him any less
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 11:59 AM by Solly Mack
a master of ass-covering legalese. People just have to be willing to de-construct what he's saying...fortunately, many are (ACLU, etc)
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:45 PM
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4. Kick. . Any big media-types out there want to DO THEIR JOB??
Just sayin'
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:04 PM
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5. Thanks for the kick, annabanana
:)
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:09 PM
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6. honored.. It's really striking when you lay it all out like that... (HEY! MORE REC'S)
I remember when each piece of the puzzle surfaced, but I haven't seen it all lined up like that.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:46 PM
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11. I've never been a fan of the MCA
and I read a thread today in LBN that just sort of got me going. I had reached a critical point, I guess. The article was about the farce being played out at GTMO that some dare call trials.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:26 PM
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7. K&R damnit!
I wish this would be glued to the top of the page, from today to the day when ALL the war criminals are brought to justice. (that includes everyone who signed onto the Military Commissions Act of 2006.)

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:31 PM
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8. Thanks, G_j!
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 07:36 PM by Solly Mack
:)

I am just as disgusted today as I was when that horrible law was enrolled.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:36 PM
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9. yes, and we knew then WHY it was, before it was.
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0923-22.htm


Published on Saturday, September 23, 2006 by the Chicago Sun-Times
Bush Seeks Immunity for Violating War Crimes Act
by Elizabeth Holtzman

Thirty-two years ago, President Gerald Ford created a political firestorm by pardoning former President Richard Nixon of all crimes he may have committed in Watergate -- and lost his election as a result. Now, President Bush, to avoid a similar public outcry, is quietly trying to pardon himself of any crimes connected with the torture and mistreatment of U.S. detainees.

The ''pardon'' is buried in Bush's proposed legislation to create a new kind of military tribunal for cases involving top al-Qaida operatives. The ''pardon'' provision has nothing to do with the tribunals. Instead, it guts the War Crimes Act of 1996, a federal law that makes it a crime, in some cases punishable by death, to mistreat detainees in violation of the Geneva Conventions and makes the new, weaker terms of the War Crimes Act retroactive to 9/11.

Press accounts of the provision have described it as providing immunity for CIA interrogators. But its terms cover the president and other top officials because the act applies to any U.S. national.

Avoiding prosecution under the War Crimes Act has been an obsession of this administration since shortly after 9/11. In a January 2002 memorandum to the president, then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales pointed out the problem of prosecution for detainee mistreatment under the War Crimes Act. He notes that given the vague language of the statute, no one could predict what future ''prosecutors and independent counsels'' might do if they decided to bring charges under the act. As an author of the 1978 special prosecutor statute, I know that independent counsels (who used to be called ''special prosecutors'' prior to the statute's reauthorization in 1994) aren't for low-level government officials such as CIA interrogators, but for the president and his Cabinet. It is clear that Gonzales was concerned about top administration officials.

Gonzales also understood that the specter of prosecution could hang over top administration officials involved in detainee mistreatment throughout their lives. Because there is no statute of limitations in cases where death resulted from the mistreatment, prosecutors far into the future, not appointed by Bush or beholden to him, would be making the decisions whether to prosecute.

To ''reduce the threat of domestic criminal prosecution under the War Crimes Act,'' Gonzales recommended that Bush not apply the Geneva Conventions to al-Qaida and the Taliban. Since the War Crimes Act carried out the Geneva Conventions, Gonzales reasoned that if the Conventions didn't apply, neither did the War Crimes Act. Bush implemented the recommendation on Feb. 7, 2002.
<snip>

````

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/111407R.shtml

Beyond Mukasey's Confirmation, White House Liability Issues Loom Large
By Elizabeth Holtzman
t r u t h o u t | OpEd

Tuesday 13 November 2007

Though it failed to send his nomination the way of Robert Bork, attorney general nominee Michael Mukasey's evasiveness on the definition of torture has done something historic. It has made it unmistakably clear to mainstream observers that the president may be criminally liable for violating anti-torture laws. Criminal liability of this White House will have wider repercussions than Mr. Mukasey's confirmation. It will reverberate through his tenure as attorney general and beyond the end of the Bush administration.

We now know that the reason Mr. Mukasey refused to acknowledge that waterboarding meets the legal definition of torture, or at the very least cruel, degrading and inhuman treatment, clearly had nothing to do with not being briefed about the procedure. If he didn't know at the time of the Senate committee hearing, he certainly learned afterwards that the US had considered waterboarding criminal and prosecuted it for at least a century. The real reason, as mainstream news analysts now acknowledge, was that publicly admitting waterboarding is torture or cruel and inhuman would have put the president in jeopardy of criminal charges.

The War Crimes Act of 1996 makes cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of detainees a violation of the Geneva Conventions and a federal crime. In addition, a 1994 law, 18 USC Section 2340 (a), makes it a federal crime to engage in torture outside the US, and it also applies to those who conspire with (or aid and abet or order) torture outside the US. Both statutes apply to any US national, including the president, the vice president and other top officials, as well as subordinates, such as CIA officers or other US personnel. If the president ordered, directed or authorized waterboarding or other forms of torture or mistreatment, he may have violated these laws. They carry the death penalty in cases where the victim dies. In such cases there is no statute of limitations, so the president could be subject to prosecution for the rest of his life.

Some contend that imposing criminal liability for acts performed in the heat of combat is wrong and that we can't hold the administration to 20/20 hindsight. But we know these acts were not spontaneous, but part of a premeditated pattern of legal manipulation dating back years. At least since 2002, President Bush, Attorney General Gonzales and possibly others, including Vice President Cheney, knew that torture and detainee mistreatment entailed criminal liability, which they sought to defuse with novel legal theories and retroactive suspensions of established law.

In a February 2002 memo, then-White House counsel Alberto Gonzales warned President Bush about exposure to criminal liability under the War Crimes Act, mentioning the danger that future independent counsels or prosecutors might seek to enforce the law (they generally prosecute top government officials, including presidents). He therefore recommended opting out of the Geneva Conventions, famously calling them "obsolete." His theory was that if the Conventions didn't apply, then the War Crimes Act wouldn't apply, so no prosecutions could be brought. The president accepted Gonzales's theory and suspended the Conventions' protections for suspected al-Qaeda detainees.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:39 PM
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10. Yep - we sure did.
:(

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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:48 PM
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12. I'll have to read thru this when my eyes are fresh...K&R
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:11 PM
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13. Are you calling me hard on the eyes?
:P
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:18 PM
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14. lol
Never! :D
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 06:29 AM
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15. Sunday Morning Kick. . . . . n/t
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:33 AM
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16. And a K&R!!!
Bada-bing, bada-:nuke:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:51 AM
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21. Thanks Karenina
:)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:36 AM
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17. Ewwweeee. Lots! Thanks S.M.
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 09:36 AM by lonestarnot
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:54 AM
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23. lol! Sorry. Youse welcome , lonestarnot
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:31 AM
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18. S. 3930 Military Commissions Act of 2006
What did the vote look like again?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:50 AM
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19. opengcongress.org is a wonderful site
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 11:00 AM by annabanana
et voila:

http://www.opencongress.org/roll_call/show/590

Dems voting Aye:
Sen. Thomas Carper
Sen. Tim Johnson
Sen. Mary Landrieu
Sen. Frank Lautenberg
Sen. Robert Menendez
Sen. Ben Nelson
Sen. Bill Nelson
Sen. John Rockefeller
Sen. Ken Salazar
Sen. Debbie Ann Stabenow

Repubs not voting Aye:
Lincoln Chafee (Nay)
Olympia Snowe - Abstain
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:50 AM
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20. The vote was mostly along party lines
Majority Democrats opposed, majority Republicans supported.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-3930
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:44 AM
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25. Another thanks M.S.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:52 AM
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22. k&r
fuckers
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 10:57 AM
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24. That one word says it all
Fuckers...

Thanks, spanone
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:32 PM
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27. kick
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:31 PM
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28. kick!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:10 AM
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29. Thanks for the kicks, you two!
Much appreciated.


I've been going through articles collecting quotes from supporters of the MCA that echoed the memos as well.

I'm still working on that...

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-15-08 07:24 AM
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31. certainly!
thank you for the awesome post!
:hi:
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30. kick
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