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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:42 PM
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If my entire town began dressing up in Viking costumes do you think someone might ask us why?
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 02:43 PM by NNN0LHI
How do these woman all dressed up in pastel Pioneer outfits get on national television and not get asked about their attire. Almost like the interviewer doesn't even notice they are all wearing the identical costumes.

This is like a Monty Python movie where no one notices or questions the most obvious oddities.

WTF is going on here?

Don
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:43 PM
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I'd ask where you got the cool duds.
But that's just me.

NGU.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:43 PM
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1. You mean, like the press not noticing the crazy drunk in the White House?
n/t
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:44 PM
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2. Yea the most noticeable stuff
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:44 PM
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3. would you ask Amish women about their clothes?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:48 PM
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7. I think you're right. Everybody pretty much understands the concept of the uniform...
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 02:48 PM by ClassWarrior
...and the context provides the meaning. In this case, the meaning is a simple-living collective society with religious overtones.

Makes sense to me.

NGU.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:49 PM
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9. If they were all taken into custody for suspected child abuse yes
Wouldn't you?

Don
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:51 PM
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10. no, I'd ask them what they might know about the suspected child abuse
not, "Dayamn, girl, what's up with your clothes?"
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:18 PM
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28. So you wouldn't ask them about the most obvious thing to catch your eye?
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 03:19 PM by NNN0LHI
You would make a great investigative reporter.

Don
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:45 PM
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4. What's going on here...
is that religion has a privileged place in our society: behavior and beliefs that are otherwise preposterous are treated with respect as long as it is in the name of some religion.

As Sara writes, society does develop checks on rigid authoritarians, but there are times when those checks slide. I would argue, being from West Texas myself, that this extreme libertarianism of the West mixed in with a spread of Bible-thumping has made it the perfect breeding ground for shit like this to happen. The knee-jerk belief that “faith” deserves a special respect, a bubble that protects it from the same harsh criticism that any other idea or belief that people might own, makes it all too easy for people out West to whistle by and ignore the fact that breeding factories for rape victims are being developed under their noses and excused by some Jesus talk.

http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/13/7039/
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:12 PM
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25. No religion has no special place
Only Christianity.. especially Protestant christianity.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:19 PM
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29. 'cause Hasidic Jews are constantly quizzed on their outfits...
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:35 PM
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43. Not quizzed
Ridiculed. And as a Jew, people I barely know with tiny imaginations and even smaller worldviews make fun of the Hassidic garb all the freakin time. And ignorantly assume that all Jews are "supposed" to dress like that. Then there's all the "towelhead" comments floating around the workplace, and so on.
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:46 PM
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5. It would only bother me if...
You all started singing, "Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spammy-Spam, lovely Spaaaam..."

Bloody vikings.

TlalocW
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:47 PM
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6. Their attire is the least of their problems
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 02:49 PM by rox63
They are brainwashed enough to keep enabling horrific actions done in the name of religion. I don't actually hold them all that accountable, because most of them have known no other life. They are ignorant of their own worth, and that of their children. All they know is that their children have been taken away, and the entire world as they know it has been ripped out from under them. What really needs to happen is that they need to bring in some of the people who have escaped from this cult, to help the women and children through this. They understand the world these women have been living in, and they know what it takes to break free of the brainwashing.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:51 PM
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12. You're simply too sensible. n/t
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:49 PM
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8. Who cares how they dress. Is it any less silly than full on goth regalia?
Of course full on goth regalia is damned sexy, so I can understand why you would wear that, but seriously.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:55 PM
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15. If an entire town began dressing full on goth regalia they wouldn't get asked about it?
I bet they would.

Don
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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:51 PM
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11. Not if you live in Minnesota and it's football season.
N/T
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:52 PM
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13. ROFL
(I laugh like here in Cheese Land it's any better...)

:toast:

NGU.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:01 PM
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17. I don't think it would even have to be football season
n/t
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:02 PM
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34. You beat me to it! The dress of these FLDS women is obviously
symbolic of submissiveness. They are not the only religion that requires women to dress conservatively. In some religions such as the Amish the men also have dress patterns they follow which makes the symbolism in their religion different in that it indicates simple living not submissiveness. I like the simple living ideal which is voluntary but distrust the submissive demands of religion because they tend to be dictated TO women BY men not by free will.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:55 PM
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14. It's not the main story
The attire would be part of the background material on the social structure of the cult: the cult's insistence on modesty and uniformity.

Here's a good article on these styles:
http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/2007/08/flds-women-and-their-dresses.htm
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:05 PM
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18. Take a look at some of the comments after the article at the link
Many of them highly approve of the womens' manner of dress, and make comments about the value of modesty and chastity. Sounds like some of the readers of the Salt Lake Tribune think highly of the cult. :scared:
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:41 PM
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32. Good grief. Isn't there a happy sartorial medium
between a Little House on the Prairie fetish and crack-addled streetwalker?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:10 PM
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22. I never suggested it was the main story
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 03:15 PM by NNN0LHI
I said it was the most obvious part of the story. I don't know any adults who wear identical costumes around in their daily lives. I would ask these woman why they did that for the record if I had the chance. Where they forced to wear these costumes?

Don
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:16 PM
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36. re: "I don't know any adults who...
...wear identical costumes around in their daily lives."

Have you checked out your local women's prison? Same deal, I think.

TYY :hi:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:21 PM
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38. Haven't checked but I believe you and get your point too
Thats what should be asked. Are they forced to wear this garb? And if so by who?

Yes same deal I think too.

:hi:

Don
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:57 PM
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16. Other religious groups were similar clothes. I have a ex co worker that was a Mennonite and her
parents still dress like that on the farm.
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:07 PM
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19. Heck, I'm in the SCA
and would think everybody wearing Viking garb was (a) neat and (b) pre-Pennsic preparation. As for the Mormon women, I'm guessing that the reporters know it's one of the things their particular brand of religious observance calls for and don't want to be nasty about it. It's sort of like the Amish. Everyone knows that their dress is part of their religious observance.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:08 PM
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20. "WTF is going on here" is diversity. "Pastel pioneer outfits" Why should they be any weirder than:




  I see these people like this in my town (Eugene, Oregon) just about every day and especially in the summer when it stops raining. Maybe the reporters just understand that, well, they're just clothes.

  I don't feel any need to approach any of these people and ask them why they're wearing the clothes they are- as though it was important in some way or to imply that I'm judging them for being nonconformist from my anglo-european middle-class point of view?

  You might be reading this and taking it as more pointed than I mean it. But, really, it's just clothes.

  Every day is a pageant in America.

PB
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:13 PM
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26. I was talking about an entire town going Pioneer in the 21st century
Do you see the difference? I guess not?

Don
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:28 PM
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31. Their outfits are not pioneer to them - they are
simple and modest and probably uniform because it's easier to make one style basic style when you're making clothes by hand.

Their outfits are the least of their issues, really, and the clothes are not that strange. Other groups in the US regularly wear similar modest, handmade outfits.

From: http://pittsburgh.about.com/cs/pennsylvania/a/amish_2.htm
Amish Dress
Symbolic of their faith, Amish clothing styles encourage humility and separation from the world. The Amish dress in a very simple style, avoiding all but the most basic ornamentation. Clothing is made at home of plain fabrics and is primarily dark in color. Amish men in general wear straight-cut suits and coats without collars, lapels or pockets. Trousers never have creases or cuffs and are worn with suspenders. Belts are forbidden, as are sweaters, neckties and gloves. Men's shirts fasten with traditional buttons in most orders, while suit coats and vests fasten with hooks and eyes. Young men are clean shaven prior to marriage, while married men are required to let their beards grow. Mustaches are forbidden. Amish women typically wear solid-color dresses with long sleeves and a full skirt, covered with a cape and an apron. They never cut their hair, and wear it in a braid or bun on the back of the head concealed with a small white cap or black bonnet. Clothing is fastened with straight pins or snaps, stockings are black cotton and shoes are also black. Amish women are not permitted to wear patterned clothing or jewelry. The Ordnung of the specific Amish order may dictate matters of dress as explicit as the length of a skirt or the width of a seam.

Mennonite costume is considerably more complicated - here's one discussion: http://www.gameo.org/encyclopedia/contents/D74ME.html

Bottom line; if you came from a culture that regularly wears sarongs and you saw a town full of people wearing jeans and t-shirts, you might ask the same question you're asking about this group. How it looks depends on where you're standing.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:09 PM
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35. What about the Amish, Mennonites, Muslims, Hindus?

We have all but the Amish around here. Some Chinese and Vietnamese women here wear traditional dress, too, and many Pentecostal women dress sort of like Mennonites without bonnets, never cut their hair, wear it in a bun after they're married.

Multiculturalism, you know?

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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:19 PM
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30. Eugene? That explains it. I used to live there and loved it.
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:09 PM
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21. What would be cool is if they were all wearing Nike's...
Like that "Heavens Gate" cult and that whackjob Applebee years ago.
How cool would it be if they were all wearing Air Jordans?
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momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:12 PM
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24. Just Do It?
I can't see Nike working with the Keep 'Em Barefoot and Pregnant crowd. Of course, they could all use some 'New Balance' in their lives....
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:11 PM
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23. Viking costumes wouldn't bother me .......
........ but togas could be a problem after a certain age ......
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:15 PM
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27. Actually, I think that that sounds like it would look really cool. nt
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:43 PM
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33. If that happens please let us know, sounds like a blast.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:18 PM
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37. what?where?
link me up bro
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:24 PM
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40. Here it is


http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8947241
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:24 PM
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41. I read through the replies
I live in a county 50 miles north of NYC. We have a town here that is Hadsiddic - the jews wear black suits and payas (hair = long locks that go over the ears).
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:22 PM
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39. Well, if they did it in most large cities, no one would notice it.
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 04:23 PM by Cleita
Take a walk in Venice beach any weekend and you see everything. Also, when I lived in Idaho, I often ran into Mennonite women doing their shopping. They too wore a kind of unfashionable type of dress complete with bonnets. Also, no one seems to bat an eye at nuns either although up until the reforms of the last century dressed as women did in the Middle Ages. Like with Muslim women, I'm not concerned about the threads but the practices that debase women and harm children.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:32 PM
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42. Taking a walk in Venice beach any weekend is not the same as doing a TV interview
Which I was talking about in my OP. I mean if I showed up for an interview at CNN with a blow-up parrot on my shoulder that had nothing at all to do with the subject of the interview wouldn't you still expect the person doing the interview to ask me whats with the parrot on my shoulder?

Obvious things that stick out but no one seems to notice is what I am talking about here.

Don
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:37 PM
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44. Come to New Orleans sometime
It doesn't even have to be Mardi Gras.
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