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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:48 PM
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Where are Democrats when one of them is attacked?
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 04:00 PM by Mass

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The Al Gore Lie Is Halfway Around The World And The Truth Is Sitting In Nashville - Dave Johnson and James Boyce Where are the Democrats when one of them is attacked


There's a tragic but true old expression that a lie can make it half way around the world before the truth can even get its pants on. Sadly, this has been proven true again this week with the $mear attack on Vice President Al Gore and his energy consumption.

Today, we noticed that the lie has made it to Germany.
How did this happen and, more to the point, why does it continue to happen?

...

Furthermore, it's our collective fault. As we noted in our post a few days ago, no one should have been surprised when Al Gore was attacked for the positive press he and his movie received last weekend. An Inconvenient Truth was sure to win an Oscar. Gore would then speak to a billion people about the problem of global warming. The well-funded global warming denial industry would respond, and $mearing people is their standard method of attack. They destroy our leaders.

And yet, there was surprise and a lack of preparation to fight back. How many times will one of our leaders be attacked and be marginalized before we get it through our thick heads that this is a pattern? How many times will this happen before we start to do something about it?

Al Gore was mocked as "ozone man". Max Cleland destroyed. Howard Dean screamed out of town. McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, and Bill Clinton $meared and $meared and even impeached. Then the lies about Al Gore during his campaign against Bush. Then John Kerry swiftboated. Now Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama and John Edwards attacked. They destroy our leaders.

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Last fall, we (James, Dave and Taylor Marsh) worked together on The Patriot Project. We struggled mightily to raise money to help veteran candidates like Joe Sestak, Patrick Murphy, Charlie Brown, Jack Murtha and Chris Carney. We raised money online but traditional donors didn't help us. The progressive bloggers are also largely unfunded and are the targets of strategic marginalization attacks themselves. The progressive donor base continues to play it safe and avoid controversy, funding the large, stale, DC-based "traditional" organizations.

And the attacks continue.
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First the wingnuts came for Bill Clinton,
I remained silent;
I am not Bill Clinton.

When they made up stuff about Gore,
I remained silent;
I am not Gore.

When they lied about John Kerry
I didn't speak up for him;
I complained about how he ran his campaign.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out;
I am a Democrat.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:50 PM
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1. Duplicate:
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:59 PM
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2. Better excerpt on this one.
Can you still update yours to include the excerpt?
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:07 PM
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3. Excellent. This might be about the same article but it is not a duplicate post.
This part of the Johnson and Boyce commentary really got to me:

First the wingnuts came for Bill Clinton,
I remained silent;
I am not Bill Clinton.

When they made up stuff about Gore,
I remained silent;
I am not Gore.

When they lied about John Kerry
I didn't speak up for him;
I complained about how he ran his campaign.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out;
I am a Democrat.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:19 PM
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4. I agree. That is the most cogent part - this is not about Al Gore, it is about ALL of us. n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 05:30 PM
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7. That is patterned after a famous Pastor Niemoller reading
In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.


http://www.serendipity.li/cda/niemoll.html
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:19 PM
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8. Yes. That was written long ago. Too bad we never learn. Sigh! n/t
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iilana X Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 04:47 PM
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5. Uh, here:
Sen. Hillary Clinton:

“What Sen. Kerry said was inappropriate”


Rep. Harold Ford Jr.:

“He needs to apologize to our troops”


Jon Tester

“Senator Kerry’s remarks were poorly worded and just plain stupid”


Just a few of many examples.




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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:26 PM
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9. Yeah, great Democrats there, huh?
I don't expect any one of them to get any support from me again. Hillary especially not. She wasn't running, and she could have thrown it back in the Republican's faces.

Oh wait, yes she was running - for 2008. :grr:
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iilana X Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:28 PM
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13. Hillary won't get my support either.
I had planned on supporting her if Kerry didn't run. Not so anymore.

The real proof of who is a loyal democrat in 2007 will be the vote for Fox. Let's see how this plays out. Any democrat who votes for Fox is no better than Joe Lieberman. And that's bad.

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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:39 PM
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10. Wasn't these quotes from last year?
I think they were talking about the swift boat attacks. But then this was still an attack and they were quick to jump on board. Look at any of the candidates now, and you will see when many of them are attacked by the media/right wingers; they are alone.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:42 PM
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11. It is the point of the article. Classic Democrats do not get it.
They stay silent when a democrat is attacked and they do not help netroot movements that are trying to stand up against the RW attacks.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:00 PM
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15. I am more of an independent thinker myself,
and not a classic democrat. On one hand, I have always been loyal to my cohorts (even when they were not loyal to me) and will be more apt to defend others than myself. But on the other hand, in 2000 I defended Gore for the most part and warned of the danger of bush. What I could not defend was his choice of VP and his distancing himself from the then president Clinton, which was seen as disloyal by many here. These people voted for Nader, but Illinois still went for Gore.

In 2004, I kept hoping for the best, but Kerry kind of lost people here when he did not fight back and show that he was different than bush, and when he did not go through with his plan to have Durbin and Jones as his spokespeople. I ended up doing the best I could with the argument that anyone was better than bush. That didn't go over as well as it should have, many of those that did not see a difference voted for Nader. Illinois still went for Kerry.

What I say and do makes very little difference, except here on this site. In 2004 some of my posts on another site seemed very similar to what showed up in articles and right wing commentaries. It was then that I decided that I would not post negative things about candidates. I gave in to temptation and did say somethings a few months back, but quickly decided that it was wrong and have not done it again. Sorry for the long post.
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iilana X Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:23 PM
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12. It's cowardly.
Ambition has a lot to do with it too.

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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 05:27 PM
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6. All for one and one for all should be our strategy when one of our own
is the victim of a vicious, cheap shot attack.
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blue cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:48 PM
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14. Love Your Sig Line
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:15 PM
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16. What's particularly insidious about this method is that they go for the strength
of their opponent with amazing arrogance and chutzpah...Murtha's a coward, Gore's not really green, Kerry's not a war hero and doesn't support the troops, Cleland (a triple amputee) is not a patriot, Edwards' house is too big....the pattern is clear. What's double the frustration is that these kinds of attacks should be easy to defend vigorously by the individual and by the party. (Reminds me of a brilliant DU post I have somewhere that began with "Steven Colbert is Not Funny" and continued with all the things that are the opposite of what the administration says they are)

I can't count the number of times dems have been shamed into apologies when they should have been fighting back with honesty, vigor, and intensity. They attack dems' strengths and issues with lies; we attack their weaknesses with the truth....and which is working better?

Next time the VP tells a senator to fuck off, I want to see a brawl...at the very least a loud "Bite me!"
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