Carter now has a tentative agreement with Hamas. Now the ball is in

pegleg

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Mon Apr-21-08 08:08 AM
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Carter now has a tentative agreement with Hamas. Now the ball is in

Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 08:09 AM by pegleg

Israel's court and they need to actively and positively respond. To do so will prove just how committed to peace and progress both sides are. IT IS TIME FOR PEACE.

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saltpoint

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Mon Apr-21-08 08:10 AM
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1. Since Jimmy Carter is doing Condoleezza Rice's job, I think he ought to

be sent her salary.

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BigDaddy44

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Mon Apr-21-08 08:22 AM
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2. You got a link?

Although I think Jimmy Carter is a great man and I admire his courage on this, I'm a bit leery of a private citizen intermediating in peace discussions. Jimmy Carter has a tentative agreement.....for what? With who? By what authority?

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pegleg

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Mon Apr-21-08 08:31 AM
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4. Here tis

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/ap_on_re_mi_ea/carter_israel

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pegleg

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Mon Apr-21-08 08:33 AM
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5. I agree with you. I'm leery too and proceeding with caution is warranted here

but Israel must take a cautious notice.

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seasat

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Mon Apr-21-08 08:34 AM
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6. It was on NPR, Here's a link to the AP story.

According to Carter, he achieved a written agreement that Hamas would accept a peace agreement if the Palestinian people approved it and even if it included a acknowledgment of Israel as state. He pointed out that he received this agreement from their leadership and wasn't familiar with the spokesman who denied it. He also noted that Israel is in negotiations with Hamas using Egypt as an intermediary.

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ColbertWatcher

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Mon Apr-21-08 08:41 AM
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8. Wow.

"...Hamas would accept a peace agreement if the Palestinian people approved it and even if it included a acknowledgment of Israel as state..."

Just wow.

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BigDaddy44

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Mon Apr-21-08 09:01 AM
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16. no "wow"

Its a caveat. It gives them an out. "Oh, sorry, we thought it was a good idea, but our people didn't support it." Why not make it unconditional? If they are the leadership, then act like ....... leaders. What country votes on peace treaties?

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harun

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Mon Apr-21-08 12:29 PM
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25. They don't think it is a good idea, that is why they are kicking it to

the people. So they can say "hey, we don't recognize Israel, but if you think it will make your life better then vote on it and if you do we will support you in your decision".

If you read the whole statement you will see that Hamas wouldn't be recognizing Israel, they would be recognizing the Palestinian peoples recognition of Israel and supporting that.

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undeterred

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Mon Apr-21-08 08:38 AM
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7. Being an ex-pres is more than a private citizen, but I am afraid

that's how our administration might regard him in their infinite stupidity. He is an amazing human being.

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BigDaddy44

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Mon Apr-21-08 08:55 AM
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14. Perhaps.....but....

Do you want Bush out negotiating with governments on his own after he's gone? Or Cheney perhaps? I sure as hell don't.

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undeterred

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Mon Apr-21-08 09:05 AM
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19. The only people they would negotiate with are the Saudis.

So I guess not. :hurts:

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Winterblues

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Mon Apr-21-08 03:22 PM
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29. None of it is in any "Official" capacity

Anyone should have a right to talk with any person or persons they want to or don't you think that should be the case?

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TCJ70

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Mon Apr-21-08 08:24 AM
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3. I heard this on the radio today...

...but right after that they said that a spokesman for Hamas said that it isn't the case.

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Peggy Day

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Mon Apr-21-08 08:42 AM
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9. Here's a link to the Carter Center-I donate to them sometimes

they do a lot of good work throughout the world.

http://www.cartercenter.org/homepage.html

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Tommy_Carcetti

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Mon Apr-21-08 08:42 AM
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10. Dare I say.....

Does Jimmy Carter actually have more of Israel's best interests in mind than the current Israeli government?

I mean, if he gets Hamas to recognize Isreal....do you think that Israel would have ever gotten that done on its own with the current leadership?

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elias7

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Mon Apr-21-08 09:02 AM
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17. He's got one huge bargaining chip...

Hamas should prefer the Dems to win in 2008. The Neocon plan has been to establish permanent American military presence in the Middle East. Obama & Clinton plan to pull out. If Carter ends around this administration and gains some ground, Americans might wake up to find out that diplomacy works, lending even stronger Dem support.

Our leaving would seem to be in Hamas' interests.

Additionally, many Israeli's are disturbed by their government's bellicose stance; there are very mixed feelings there. Israel can take care of itself militarily (funded in part by the US), and doesn't need the added threat of "massive retaliation" as referred to by HRC.

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ashling

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Mon Apr-21-08 08:43 AM
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11. link?

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ThomWV

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Mon Apr-21-08 08:46 AM
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12. Just yesterday the Yahoos were calling for Carter's blood for interfering where he did not belong.

Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 08:46 AM by ThomWV

And defaming that good man like he was human shit. Some will today too.

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papau

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Mon Apr-21-08 08:52 AM
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13. Agreement? - not really - if an agreement is allowed to be reached by Hamas - and voted on - they'll

accept it if its approved in the vote.

Hamas will not let a peace agreement to be made

so there will be no vote

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BigDaddy44

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Mon Apr-21-08 08:58 AM
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15. I agree

The leadership of Hamas is not stupid. By "agreeing" to this, they appear magnanimous, and gain a PR victory. However, when it comes right down to it, do they really WANT peace? Or is their power maintained through continued war?

Its very similar to the peace talks Clinton held right before he left office. If i recall, Arafat was offered nearly everything he wanted.....and yet, he walked away. If he had his own State, and peace, then he'd be left with the mundane details of actually running a country. Not a thrilling prospect for someone fighting "the power" his entire life.

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pegleg

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Mon Apr-21-08 09:04 AM
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18. I agree that Hamas has never been known to even consider Israel as

existing before so why should they be expected to do anything different BUT any glimmer of peace must be acted upon. That certainly doesn't mean that they have to drop their guard.

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DadOf2LittleAngels

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Mon Apr-21-08 09:31 AM
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21. In the past 15 years how many 'agreements' have there been

There are two reasons I doubt this will hold

1) What you said, peace does not benefit Hamas
2) Even if Hamas was serious someone else will use the umbrealla of 'peace' to do their own damage, thus prompting Isreal to action..

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Seeking Serenity

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Mon Apr-21-08 09:27 AM
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20. I do not trust Hamas. I fear Carter may be being played.

Not meaning to invoke Godwin's Law here, Adolf Hitler felt no compunction against signing the Munich accords or the non-agression pact with Stalin. He knew those words weren't worth the paper they were written on.

I fear Hamas may be the same. "Sure, sign anything if it gets the other side to stand down."

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ladjf

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Mon Apr-21-08 10:42 AM
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22. I believe that Irael will ignore this opening. And if so, would

suggest to me that Irael doesn't want peace.

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pegleg

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Mon Apr-21-08 11:55 AM
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23. It's Hamas that seems to be backing off . They "will never recognize Israel".

If that's the case then should Israel recognize Hamas? I would say "Hamas who?"

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ladjf

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Mon Apr-21-08 12:20 PM
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24. Hamas's use of the term "hudna" to describe the treaty implies

recognition.

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pegleg

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Mon Apr-21-08 12:46 PM
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26. That must be why they said that they would never formally recognize Israel

Now I understand. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/ap_on_re_mi_ea/syria_hamas_israel

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LeftishBrit

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Mon Apr-21-08 01:04 PM
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27. Agreed...

It's been time for peace for a long time.

I'm not getting my hopes up too high until I see something actually happening (even if some Hamas members are prepared to genuinely consider peace, they probably know that they could get murdered by their 'colleagues' for it); but let's hope for at least small beginnings.

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Dorian Gray

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Mon Apr-21-08 01:06 PM
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28. Under whose authority?

I wish that he was meeting with Hamas under the authority of the USA, but he isn't. And the Israelis seem too angry with him now to agree to a deal that he's brokered.

What are the terms of the deal, by the way?

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