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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:47 AM
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U.S. to Insist That Travel Industry Get Fingerprints
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 08:48 AM by Breeze54
U.S. to Insist That Travel Industry Get Fingerprints

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/21/AR2008042103036.html?hpid%3Dmoreheadlines&sub=AR

By Spencer S. Hsu and Del Quentin Wilber
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, April 22, 2008; Page A08

The U.S. government today will order commercial airlines and cruise lines to prepare to collect digital fingerprints of all foreigners before they depart the country under a security initiative that the industry has condemned as costly and burdensome.

The proposal does not say where airlines must collect fingerprints
-- at airport check-in counters, departure gates or kiosks somewhere in between. But the government estimates the undertaking will cost airlines $2.3 billion over 10 years, a U.S. homeland security official said.

The overall economic impact on companies, passengers and the government is expected to exceed $3.5 billion, industry lobbyists said, at a time when carriers are struggling with safety concerns, high fuel costs and passenger complaints.

Formal announcement of the plan to track the departure of foreign visitors, as part of the Homeland Security Department's US-VISIT program, comes after an extended battle between the security agency and airlines.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff linked the effort to enforcing the nation's immigration laws recently, saying airlines were obstructing the measure for commercial reasons.

"If we don't have US-VISIT air exit by this time next year, it will only be because the airline industry killed it," Chertoff said recently. "We have to decide who is going to win this fight. Is it going to be the airline industry, or is it going to be the people who believe we should know who leaves the country by air?"


Doug Lavin, regional vice president for the International Air Transport Association, which represents major U.S. and international carriers, said the government, not airlines, should collect fingerprints. "This is ludicrous," Lavin said. "We can't afford anything in the billions to support a program that should be a government program."

Fingerprinting an estimated 33 million departing foreign passengers a year will result in "delayed departures, missed connections here and around the world," Lavin said.


More....


Now the airlines will be the 'police'? :banghead:
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:49 AM
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1. They just want EVERYBODY's DNA and FINGERPRINTS!
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 09:07 AM by Texas Explorer
Edited: Deleted my comments. I guess no one's with me so why poke Agent Mike? I can't handle his squirmy ass without at least a little help.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:52 AM
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2. Seems there's more than one way to close the borders, besides walls.
:(
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:53 AM
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3. I don't know about you, but I really don't want private corporations taking my fingerprints
I wouldn't do it when banks and grocery stores tried to get me to leave a fingerprint on a check, and I'm not about to start with the airlines...
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:55 AM
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5. I think it's ridiculous to make the airlines or any company
act as the police! Chertoff is a jerk off!
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:06 AM
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8. Q: how did you get around the thumbprint on the check?
Did you simply refuse and they said "keep your piece of paper and your freedom then, and we'll keep the money?"
because that's what I was told.

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:28 AM
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12. Yes, I refused.
And I changed my practices to avoid having to pay with a check. It was a bit inconvenient, but I was absolutely dead-set against this invasion of privacy.

About 10 years ago, I had a part-time job and was paid with a paycheck. I usually ran by my bank and deposited the check but one day I thought I would just run the check down to the bank with which my employer had its account (it was near where I worked). The teller demanded I leave a fingerprint on its check since I didn't have an account with them. I asked if this was required even if my employer had its account with them. I mean, who's stupid enough to forge a check drawn on the bank that has that account? You'd think the bank could see right away if the check was good. But she insisted I provide a fingerprint, so I refused and waited until I got home to cash it at my own bank.

When I got back to work I called and complained. I was told the bank's "corporate clients" thought fingerprinting was a good idea since it cut down on fraud. I explained that I shouldn't be considered guilty until I was proven innocent.

I could be wrong, but this kind of practice seems to have dissappeared...
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:55 AM
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4. Yet another creative way to encourage potential visitors to stay the hell away...
..."Your papers please"...
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:57 AM
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6. until the people give them a clear message, they will keep
on doing their dastardly evil deeds. Is it pitchforks and torches time yet????
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 08:58 AM
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7. It's way past time.....
:grr:

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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:09 AM
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9. I'm with you there. But seems no one
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 09:11 AM by Texas Explorer
wants to ride that bandwagon. I made comments above I was sure would elicit support but not one response.

So, I deleted them.

Edited to add: The lack of response when anyone comes anywhere near fighting back in any real and meaningful way besides just bawling about things is illustrative and indicative of the way we've come to be where we are now. 'Nuff said.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 10:49 AM
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14. Oh people respond about protestors alright but
but it's usually that they yell to loud or they 'dress funny' or some other BS!

These comments seem to come from the "that's not polite" ccrowd. :eyes:

Or the Reagan DemocRATS! :puke:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:12 AM
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10. no visitors to the States will go for this.
the US is isolating themselves from other countries, who will come here if they have to go through all this crap? NO ONE.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:22 AM
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11. I wonder if they'll come in through Canada or Mexico instead.
Fly there and then just rent a car? :shrug:

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 09:55 AM
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13. even coming through Canada and Mexico can be a
nightmare too. Just shameful. :hi:
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