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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:15 PM
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Bush on CSPAN...defends "so-called" rich
A few minutes ago I flipped over to CSPAN. I caught Bush in the middle of answering a question abut taxing the rich. I was struck by the angry look on his face, it's just as sore a topic for him as it is for me, just for different reasons.

First he says you can't raise significant revenue taxing the "so-called" rich. Then he proclaimed that "all these tax the rich schemes" end up taxing the middle class, and went on about how raising middle class taxes in a economic downturn is bad. I don't argue that point, but it's the same old 3-legged dog logic*: tax hikes for the rich are tax hikes for the middle class; middle class tax hikes are bad; tax hikes for the rich are bad.

The Republicans will try to hide the rich behind farmers and small business owners like they have done for the last 28 years. How they have managed to convince people that taxes on the wealthy will raise everyone's taxes is beyond me. Statistics and our experiences show that these policies lead to budget deficits and recessions. The general election campaign against McCain has to educate the average voter on the failure of the Republican's tax policy.


*(refresher)
All dogs have three legs.
Fido is a dog.
Fido has three legs.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:23 PM
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1. Pretty good OP there, CCK.
:thumbsup:
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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:29 PM
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2. Thank You
Most policy arguments begin with how to fund the policy in question.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:31 PM
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3. One problem Bushie -- you destroyed the middle class
It's just ultra-wealthy and the rest of us now.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:41 PM
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4. I saw them struggling to define $40K a year as middle class...
It was almost pathetic.

Considering a buying power loss of nearly 40% over the last seven and a half years. Logically, you'd have to be
making almost twice as much to remain there.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:51 PM
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6. Many of them think
"middle class" means those people who make $200,000 and up. If you see it in that light, Bush's remarks make sense.

During the ABC News-Facebook debate, moderator Charlie Gibson suggested that the Democratic presidential candidates' proposals to roll back or let some of President Bush's tax cuts expire would affect middle-class families, adding, "If you take a family of two professors here at St. Anselm, they're going to be in the $200,000 category that you're talking about lifting the taxes on."


Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), thought he could push around members of the AFL-CIO Building and Construction Trades Department (BCTD).

He was wrong.

Meeting in Washington, D.C., for their annual legislative conference, union leaders representing Iron Workers, Plumbers and Pipe Fitters, Laborers, Painters and Allied Trades and other hard-hat unions traveled to Capitol Hill where they urged Congress to protect wages for U.S.-born and immigrant workers in the trades.

And when McCain spoke about immigration at the BCTD conference yesterday, the crowd began booing, with one participant honing in on the real issue, shouting: “Pay a decent wage!”

McCain’s response? Immigrants were taking jobs nobody else wanted.

But that wasn’t enough of an insult. McCain then offered anybody in the crowd $50 an hour to pick lettuce in Arizona.

When some union leaders said they’d accept his offer, the expensive-suited Washington, D.C., politician insisted none of them would do such menial labor for a complete season.

Said McCain: “You can’t do it, my friends.”

Anyone taking bets on whether McCain or building and construction trades guys would last longer working in the hot sun for 12 hours a day?


TO save you the math, $50 an hour is $104,000 a year.

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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:57 PM
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9. But, they're trying to 'sell' $40K a year as 'middle class' because there aren't enough votes...
at the higher income levels.

They need those making $40K to -BELIEVE- they are middle class.

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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:58 PM
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10. I agree wholeheartedly
but it's these unguarded moments that let you know what they really think. This is how we know they're lying.
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:00 PM
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11. I was going to say, thanks for pointing that out!
Didn't edit fast enough.

Very enlightening on the mindset.

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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:24 PM
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17. sign me up
I used to work outside in Texas for much less, until I got laid off. For $50/hour I'd even make McCain a salad with the lettuce.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:46 PM
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5. How does tax hikes for wealthy equate to tax hikes for middle?
If George can explain that to me then I'll eat my hat.
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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:54 PM
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8. Your hat is safe
He never does explain it, he only states it like it's fact. He might as well say "Paint is red."
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:46 PM
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20. By the time they're done with it
the republicans always have managed to turn tax hikes for the rich into tax hikes for the middle class.

Of course he'll never admit that. He's just trying to save those republicans the energy ;)

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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:51 PM
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7. I think the GOP equate tax hikes on themselves...
...to tax hikes on the middle class because they are conditioned to ignore the law and dump the responsibility on anyone else.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:00 PM
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12. again, he shows his disdain for the American people
what do you expect from someone who has always had a silver spoon in his mouth. Stupid jerk.
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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:07 PM
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13. This is their main issue
Reagan rushed these kind of tax cuts through congress before worrying about the details of paying for them. Bush followed suit early in his administration. They may want to cut spending, but not as much as they want the tax cuts that make the budget cuts "necessary".

Also, the types of taxes they seek to cut, estate and dividends, don't mean that much to the average person.

This issue is their main thrust, and the one we can beat them on.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:09 PM
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14. Bush once said that there was no point in raising taxes on the rich
because the rich don't pay taxes to begin with. :crazy:
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:40 PM
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19. I don't believe it!
The closest that man has ever come to telling the truth! :wow:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:12 PM
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15. Bush once said during a debate that "Jesus Christ
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 02:14 PM by Uncle Joe
was the most influential person in his life".

Jesus hung out with the poor, the diseased, and the destitute, the fringes of society, and the children pleading for others to take care of the least of these. Jesus actually threw the money changers or businessmen of the day out of the Temple or church.

After he was selected President, Bush would tell a room full of mega wealthy people, they were his base.

So here is my three legged dog.

1. Bush is a liar.

2. Bush is a hypocrite.

3. So that means Bush must be a lying hypocrite.

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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:17 PM
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16. "Give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's"
Even Jesus belived in paying taxes. Bush will get the camel through the eye of a needle by building a bigger needle.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:23 PM
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18. Or by blowing it up with Nnew-cue-lur weapons.
Once he's finished his war on Terra, where else can he go but Heaven and Hell?
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