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Serial Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:42 AM
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Where is the Outrage? So much to be mad about!
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 10:53 AM by cmt928
How sad is it that "life expectancy in women declines" gets 1 or 2 reponses?

The past couple days it has been reported that 1 in 5 women have their life expectancy DROP here in the good 'ol USA?

I searched on the topic today here in DU and found 3 threads on it, and each one had only 1 or 2 respones?!?!

Misogyny? Yes - Doctors in many emergeny rooms treat women differently than men

Smoking? Yes - of course it is not good for your health, but we still are not educating girls on the dangers with ALL the $$$$ that tobacco companies paid to states years ago!

Obesity? Yes - but our FDA doesn't care how many chemicals are added to our food supply and processed foods which tend to cause obesity

Lack of Healthcare Yes - our government collaberated with the HMO's during Nixon to treat only sick people instead of prevention which keeps us sicker!

Poverty - YES - I believe this is the main cause because in incorporates all the above!
Proverty tends to cause obesity, poor women get paid less for same work, if at all, the burden of raising children falls on the women, the government has changed aid these women with children receive and force them to work at low wages and never advance, the poor have less healthcare and the CYLCE CONTINUES!

Is this what our nation has become?????!!

:cry::cry:

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:51 AM
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1. poverty has a lot to do with it.
we, women are being pushed out of the equation, we may just have to push back to get back into the equation again.

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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:58 AM
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2. No different than any other day
I can only speak for myself, but after a while the cause and effect without hope of resolution multiplies beyond my ability to do much of anything non-destructive but recommend and move on. This level of frustration would be helped mightily if there was even an INDICATION that the Dems in Congress and on the campaign trail actually cared.
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Serial Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:04 AM
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3. You are right !
Some days I feel that hopelessness, and other days I am fighting mad and let my so-called representatives know what I feel (although I have a great Senator in Feingold).

And there are good days too, when I see so many people trying to help others.

But this is NOT what I wanted for the 21st Century in all my dreams of hitting that milestone!

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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:27 AM
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4. I know exactly what you mean
I wish I had an answer, other than increasing bitterness and cynicism. Protests don't work, letters don't work, phone calls don't work, petitions don't work. We have no opposition party. I doubt very much they understand the seriousness of what's going on, or that "bipartisanship" won't work. And that angers me more than anything else, because any hope of real solutions will come only from recognizing and dealing with the enemies of this country -- the ones they laugh and joke with on a daily basis on the hill.

The same ones who will again, mark my words, slip a knife into their backs the moment they turn around.

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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:31 PM
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14. I would K&R "your" response if I could...
because it was fantastic. Thank YOU.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:29 AM
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5. K&R!
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:53 AM
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6. Women's issues in general get little attention here
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 11:55 AM by PeaceNikki
Unless it's about Randi Rhodes "1st Amendment Rights" which allow her to call Clinton a "fucking whore" and compare Geraldine Ferraro to a fucking clansman.

This one hurt... note some of the (very few) comments in it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3186501

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Blue Meany Donating Member (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:59 AM
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7. This is a prime example of how the news media
frames stories to validate and continue the notion that women (and not men) are victims.

The fact is that this study showed that overall life expectancy has gone up for women to 80 years. For men it is now up to 74 years. (See http://www.plos.org/press/plme-05-04-ezzati.pdf). The press didn't ask why men don't live as long as women, but the article suggests that higher rates of death by homicide and from AIDs has something to do with it. Previous studies have linked men's lower life expectancy to higher rates of cardiovascular diseases.

This study found that life expectancy for men and women in some geographic regions declined since 1980s. Women's life expectancy declined more than men's in these regions, but they still, on average, live longer than men.

If the genders in this story were reversed, my guess is that women would still be the victims on the basis that they don't live as long as men.

My view is that the main story is about health and poverty: poor people don't live as long as the affluent and the economic downturns make things worse for them even when the rest of society is living longer.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:31 PM
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8. Don't expect much
Most of the posts I make here in search of solutions sink like a rock. Many people here are here for the excitement of flame wars rather than the "boring" process of finding solutions and finding a way to implement them.

The same problem infests the US. A fair and perfect world would be "boring."
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 12:33 PM
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9. But Obama doesn't wear a flag pin, and Hillary fudged a story
about when she was in Bosnia.

:grr:
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:06 PM
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10. Outrage is being rationed -- not because of shortages but because there's only so much...
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 01:11 PM by warren pease
...that people can take without blowing fuses. And I'd say that seven and a quarter years of Bush/Cheney, during which time hardly a day's gone by without its very own stunningly corrupt outrage, emanating from the slime creatures and vampires who hang around in the foul miasma that used to be the seat of legitimate government back when this was still a democratic republic.

Caution... long-winded screed follows. Read at your own risk. Do not drive, operate heavy machinery or sign binding legal contracts for at least an hour after reading.

But regarding your post, yes, this IS what our nation has become. I watch how the US medical system -- and its insurance company leeches and parasites -- treat my wife, who's recovering from injuries sustained when a cement truck plowed into a line of stopped cars on a local freeway. She was third in line and got nailed from behind by the SUV pushed into her, they whipsawed forward when the SUV pushed her into another SUV in front of her. She's been undergoing physical therapy, massage and chiropractic treatment, along with seeing our GP weekly, since August.

The medical people are obviously into making her better -- and only that. The insurance company that's getting billed for all this assumes she's a crook, liar and scam artist. They've made it clear that they KNOW she's full of shit and they're damned impolite about it.

They're salivating over that magic moment when some pretext arises that will enable them to bail on her bills. Maybe she saw a chiropractor for a sore back when she was in high school. GOTCHA! Maybe she's faking the whole thing and so they've had her under periodic surveillance to see if her range of motion improves when the docs aren't looking. GOTCHA!

Sick fuckers. I think it's time that being an insurance industry exec became a risky profession and, if her recovery goes to hell because of their meddling, I'm planning on a private little chat with a particularly odious example of the species.

I should also mention that, no matter the injury or illness and how inconsequential it may be compared to my wife's injuries, I enjoy great credibility with docs, therapists, insurance agents, personal injury lawyers and the whole rest of the infrastructure. No good reason; I'm certainly not rich or famous. But I am a white male, which means I own the place and my satisfaction is uppermost in the hierarchy of internalized American values. Sick, ain't it... But on with the story.

Just focusing on privatized medicine, you're living in the only country in the alleged civilized world where the combination of poverty and lack of medical insurance is a capital crime.

It's not a huge secret; the whole world knows we have a heartless medical system that rations care by bank account and kills more than 18,000 people each year for the simple reason that they have no medical insurance.

For starters, this 2004 study from the Institute of Medicine blames lack of medical insurance for about 18,000 deaths each year in the US. I've seen an updated study by the same organization that ups that number to 22,000, but I can't find it now so 18,000 will have to do.

Here's what the ground-breaking World Health Organization (WHO) 2000 report rating medical systems in 190 countries has to say about average life expectancy for boys and girls born in the US in 1999:

The United States rated 24th under this system, or an average of 70.0 years of healthy life for babies born in 1999. The WHO also breaks down life expectancy by sex for each country. Under this system, U.S. female babies could expect 72.6 years of healthy life, versus just 67.5 years for male babies.

"The position of the United States is one of the major surprises of the new rating system," says Christopher Murray, M.D., Ph.D., Director of WHO's Global Programme on Evidence for Health Policy. "Basically, you die earlier and spend more time disabled if you’re an American rather than a member of most other advanced countries."

The WHO cites various causes for why the United States ranks relatively low among wealthy nations. These reasons include:

* In the United States, some groups, such as Native Americans, rural African Americans and the inner city poor, have extremely poor health, more characteristic of a poor developing country rather than a rich industrialized one.

* The HIV epidemic causes a higher proportion of death and disability to U.S. young and middle-aged than in most other advanced countries. HIV-AIDS cut three months from the healthy life expectancy of male American babies born in 1999, and one month from female lives;

* The U.S. is one of the leading countries for cancers relating to tobacco, especially lung cancer Tobacco use also causes chronic lung disease.

* A high coronary heart disease rate, which has dropped in recent years but remains high;

* Fairly high levels of violence, especially of homicides, when compared to other industrial countries.


USA! USA! USA! We're #1 (at something).

He omits lack of a decent universal-access, single-payer system, such as those in "other industrial countries" take for granted as a major contributing cause. If you look at this list, you'll notice that most of the countries ranked from 1 (France) to 36 (Costa Rica), all ahead of the US in a composite of various statistical categories that indicate a society that treats health care as a right and not a privilege.

You'll also find that these countries don't piss away their national treasure and bankrupt themselves on phony wars and global militarism and corporate welfare and lunacy like the "Star Wars" missile program.

Countries like The Congo, Burma/Myanmar and Pakistan do that kind of thing. They also practice torture on their political enemies, so I guess the US is in good company for several reasons.

On the other side of madness, though, countries like Italy, France, Germany, The Netherlands, Japan, Singapore and Spain -- to name a few -- live up to the demands an unintimidated citizenry places on them. So they spend tax money to improve the lives of their populations; not to commit mass murder half a world away.

And one more insult we endure because we're afraid of authority and institutions, not the other way round:

A recent study compared health expenditures per capita in 2005 among 31 countries tracked by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. Notice that US residents not only paid the most overall (~$6,400), or two and a quarter times the average of OECD countries, but were among the biggest spenders per capita on publicly funded health care systems at nearly $3,000 apiece. Be sure to look at Chart g5-1-01 for details.

So in 2005, the US taxpayer shouldered the burden for just under 50 percent of all medical costs nationwide by being forced to fund health care programs such as the Federal Employees Health Plan (FEHP), the Cadillac version of the FEHP that our fine elected officials enjoy (and which they say we can't have); the cost of covering ER expenses for those without insurance; Medicare; and the costs of various state-run Medicaid programs.

That means government spending per-person (via tax dollars) on health care in the US was higher than total per capita health care expenditures in almost any other country in the world – including those with single-payer, universal-access national health care systems. So we're paying for national health care; we're just not getting it.

Heartwarming, isn't it? And for every regulatory agency during the Bush era of government by malevolence and neglect, there's another zillion outrages.

Bushie and his corrupt regulators have failed to deal with everything from lead paint on kids toys from China; to an emerging pattern of unintended side-effects attributed to prescription drugs, even though they've been OKed by the FDA; to new rumblings about firing Air Traffic Controllers, which sounds like Bushie channeling his inner Raygun, with the safety of the flying public of absolutely no concern; to letting giant polluters regulate themselves; to telling 9/11 first responders the air was safe to breathe -- then refusing to cover their medical expenses or covering the costs for them to spend their final days at a nurturing hospice, where they can at least die with dignity.

Yup... I'm outraged. And I stay that way. The causes change all the time because there are more reasons to despise BushCo than there are asteroids between Mars and Jupiter.

It happens that the madness of expecting a for-profit corporation to spend money on medical claims rather than on exec compensation is so naive that I often think we actually deserve to live in this third-rate sinkhole. But I know too many people who are screwed for life by this system to just let it go.

Agitation R us.


wp


Edited for tpyoes
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:09 PM
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11. That story got one of the most annoying cigarette ad jingles stuck in my head - DUers did respond
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 01:11 PM by slackmaster
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govegan Donating Member (661 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:10 PM
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12. Sometimes a belly laugh is infinitely more revolutionary than the howl of outrage
From a Library Journal Review comment on Martin Espada's book of essays, Zapata's Disciple.

Noted poet Espada (Imagine the Angels of Bread, LJ 6/1/96), a professor of English at the University of Massachusetts and editor of El Coro: A Chorus of Latino and Latina Poets (LJ 10/15/97), now displays his talent for passionate yet unsentimental prose in 11 essays on topics such as the right to speak Spanish in the United States and poetry at the service of political activism. With the vivid motif of an Anglo ventriloquist and his dummy--a Latino male--one essay points out that Puerto Rican males have been stereotyped as sexist and violent. While Espada calls this unfair, he feels that he, too, has acted out this role and admits that "sometimes a belly laugh is infinitely more revolutionary than the howl of outrage." Another essay, about the hostile "English Only" movement, relies on playfulness, anger, and compassion. Espada, whose activist father was likened to a disciple of Zapata, offers the same tough vision with these enlightening essays. Recommended.Rebecca Martin, Northern Illinois Univ., DeKalb Copyright 1998 Cahners Business Information, Inc.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

What can be done, now? I would love to see legislation that would disallow the use of food stamps for animal products of any kind, including any derivatives of them.

Indisputable scientific fact: No malady, no sickness, no degenerative condition, no infirmity has ever been identified that is resultant from not having animal products in the diet.

Of course in these neo-fascist states that is not a popular notion. War is a much easier way out is it not? After all, we need oil to grease the flow of blood. Or do we?

Scott Nearing called it "organized destruction and mass murder by civilized nations." In his book with that subtitle (main title simply WAR), he also wrote:
Those who accept, advocate, and support war find themselves functioning at the center of civilized society. Let any one seriously work for peace, and he is regarded as a renegade, an outcast, an enemy of civilization.


Like Dennis Kucinich, for instance.

As GB Shaw wrote sympathetically in his The Intelligent Woman's Guide to Socialism and Capitalism

Therefore do not be oppressed by "the frightful sum of human suffering" : there is no sum : two lean women are not twice as lean as one nor two fat women twice as fat as one. Poverty and pain are not cumulative : you must not let your spirit be crushed by the fancy that it is. If you can stand the suffering of one person you can fortify yourself with the reflection that the suffering of a million is no worse : nobody has more than one stomach to fill nor one frame to be stretched on the rack. Do not let your mind be disabled by excessive sympathy. What the true Socialist revolts against is not the suffering that is not cumulative, but the waste that is. A thousand healthy, happy, honorable women are not a thousand times as healthy, happy or honorable as one; but they can cooperate to increase the health, happiness, and honor possible for each of them. At present nobody can be healthy, happy, or honorable : our standards are so low that when we call ourselves so we mean only that we are not sick nor crying nor lying nor stealing (legally or illegally) oftener than we must agree to put up with under our Capitalist Constitution.


So, in case anyone is interested, we renegades and outcasts do care, and we also point to progressive solutions when allowed.

Dr. King once wrote that "A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death."

And now it is not just military defense, but naked military aggression.

Is there any doubt that the spiritual pulse of this land is faint indeed?

Faint because it is continually drowned by the howling of the wealth-power-prestige oligarchy. Like some grotesque visage of Lady Macbeth, they prowl the landscape continually shouting "give me the daggers, give me the daggers"!

But we carry on. We hear them and their hideous and feigned outrage, again and again.

Anyways, I must carry on as well. Just wanted to comment.

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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 01:16 PM
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13. I don't know if other people have similar experiences, but I feel powerless
when faced with those huge and seemingly intractable problems. It's like it's just too big.

And lately, I've been suffering from "outrage fatigue." It's like I just can't handle anymore. I've stopped listening to Democracy Now! for that reason. I'm sure I'll get over this phase, but for now, the big problems just seem too overwhelming.
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