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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:54 PM
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The Oil bubble is about to pop
Lehman warns that oil boom will deflate

The roaring oil boom of the last few months may be on its last legs as economic growth slows hard across the world and a clutch new refineries come into operation, Lehman Brothers has warned in a hard-hitting report.

“Supply is outpacing demand growth,” said Michael Waldron, the US bank’s oil strategist.

“Inventories have been building since the beginning of the year. We have pretty significant projects starting soon in Saudi Arabia, and large off-shore fields in Nigeria,” he said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/04/24/cnoil124.xml
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:55 PM
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1. Awesome. I was down to a quarter tank.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:00 PM
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2. The "bubble" is being stretched as far as it can go
Reports this week confirming what I already knew- that everyone is cutting back production the keep the prices high, while offer few mainstream alternatives to the stuff.

This s*** is straight out of Cheney's playbook- artificial shortage for financial gain.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:13 PM
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21. The smart money pulled out a month or so ago
and the bubble has been inflated by the dumb money for about that long.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:00 PM
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3. The oil companies have manipulated supply, demand and the
related prices so as to insure maximum profits during the past months and years and low prices for the November election. Our candidates should point out how markets such as this are manipulated. The purpose is obviously to dupe the American people so that we get a Republican president and Congress. Once that happens, the whole scam will start again. Republicans are liars, cheats and scam artists. I've worked with some of them, and that is what I have found over and over. The percentage of honest, sincere, conscientious and compassionate people among the Democrats I've worked with and who are my friends is far, far higher than the percentage of honest, sincere, conscientious and compassionate people among the Republicans I've worked with and am friends with. That's not a scientific measure, but the sample I am talking about is pretty large, and I think it is very accurate.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:01 PM
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4. I saw $3.69 today
I filled up last week at $3.45.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:10 PM
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8. I paid $3.73 last night
for reg. in Connecticut. :mad:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:14 PM
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22. Holding steady at $3.45 near my house
but I expect it to go up this weekend. Last bump was a $.30 bump. I shudder to think what this one will be.
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:04 PM
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5. As soon as a better investment appears,
billions of dollars that are hiding in oil will move to a new investment, dropping the price of oil significantly.

Look at gold. Hit a grand, dropped hard. Same thing is coming for oil.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:06 PM
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6. But just watch -- if oil prices come down, gas prices won't come down at a matching rate.
We'll still be paying an Exxon/Mobil premium.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:10 PM
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9. Yep! Those greedy oil companies are not going to up their obscene profits, easily.
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:07 PM
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7. That sucks! SUV sales were starting to decline.
Now global warming can accelerate even more.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:14 PM
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10. SUV's are the only vehicles to cause global warming?
Gee I drive a SUV about(1/2 mile per day and ride the bus 140 miles per day) 2.5 miles a week and my neighbor drives his little sedan 700 (140 miles per day)and only I am causing global warming! Imagine!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:17 PM
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11. !!!
:thumbsup:
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:55 PM
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18. Who said that?
I know I didn't.

All I did was give an example of how low oil prices impact global warming, and SUVs due much more to the environment than the little sedan. I'm not going to start writing little footnotes for every possible scenario in which it isn't true...but take my word for it, very likely mile for mile your SUV is putting out more greenhouse gases than the little sedan.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:06 PM
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19. All I am trying to do is put a little truth into the PC position around here that SUV's
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 06:20 PM by Mountainman
and their owners are some kind of evil we need to do away with. It's very much like the right wing dogma that you can prove makes no sense yet they repeat it over and over. In this case we are no smarter than the right and they call us on it every time.

It's got nothing to do with what vehicle you drive it's all to do with how much gas you burn. Is that rocket science?


"mile for mile your SUV is putting out more greenhouse gases than the little sedan." = complete bull shit, that argument makes no sense unless we drive an equal amount of miles! We all drive different distances depending on our commute etc.

If I burn a gallon of gas and he burns a gallon of gas we both put out the same amount of green house gasses. If I use 1 gallon and he uses 10 gallons he is putting out 10 times the amount of green house gasses. It is only rational and logical! In my case in 5 days he put out more green house gasses than me.

If you want to cut down on green house gases, drive less!
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:27 PM
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23. and what is more likely to happen
people will change their driving habits, or get a car that gets better MPG.

""mile for mile your SUV is putting out more greenhouse gases than the little sedan." = complete bull shit" No that is complete truth.

What you are talking about is not mile for mile.

It's my experience that people in the US are NOT going to drive less. They will just bitch more about gas prices and cut spending in other areas. So if they are going to drive the same amount of miles, then efficient cars are going to be better than SUVs.
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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:17 PM
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12. $3.89 per gallon today in the SF East Bay
But I am proud to say that we were able to go seven weeks on one tank of gas. It wasn't the 16 MGP we get but rather our bicycles that made this possible. Thankfully, we live on a small flat island. If I have to start commuting any distance to work again, all bets are off.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:19 PM
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13. "Inventories have been building since the beginning of the year."
In other words the fucking oil companies have been sitting on reserves. I wonder why a big company would horde its product?

This is fucking ENRON all over again. That is the crime that will allow us to nationalize their asses.

-Hoot
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:19 PM
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14. they've screwed us with cheney's blessing
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:29 PM
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15. While oil prices might come back down
as high prices cause a drop in demand and supply increases in the short term. Long term I think we are still in trouble. I explained why in this earlier post in GD.

In tandem with continuous economic growth over the years we have had a continuous growth in oil consumption as well. This makes sense as oil is our civilizations prime source of energy and it takes vast amounts of energy to fuel modern industrial economies. Over the past 15 years or so world oil consumption has increased on average around 2% per year.

Now, on the surface, a 2% per annum growth in consumption doesn't seem like it would be that significant an amount.However there is one implication of exponential growth in consumption of a resource that most people are quite unaware of, and that is, starting at any point in time, if you have a continuous exponential growth in consumption of a resource you will reach a point in which consumption of that resource has doubled. Now here is the real kicker: for each doubling period, the amount of the resource consumed in that single doubling period is greater than all that resource consumed in history up to the start of the doubling time. So what is the doubling time in oil consumption with a 2% per annum growth pattern? It's easy enough to figure out. You divide the number 70 by the percent increase in consumption per year to get the number of years it would take for consumption to double. So 70/2 = 35. Therefore if we start today in April 2008 and world oil consumption continues to increase at 2% per year, world oil consumption would be twice what it is today by April 2043. Furthermore the amount of oil consumed in that single 35 year period from 2008 to 2043 would be more than all the oil consumed in history from the start of the oil age in the late 1800s to 2008.

If, due to the increasing demand for oil from China and India etc, world oil consumption increased from 2% to 3% per year, the doubling time would shrink to 23.3333 years (70/3).

If you think I've got to be kidding that in one 35 year doubling time we could consume more oil than we have consumed in history in the (approximately) 150 years between the start of the oil age (the first commercial oil wells came on stream in the early 1860s) to the current year 2008, you can easily verify for yourself how it works with a chess board and a few grains of rice. Put one grain of rice on the first square of a chessboard and then double the amount of grains on each succeeding square. Therefore, put 2 grains on the second square, 4 grains on the third square, 8 grains on the 4th square. 16 grains on the fifth square etc.

Now note that in the doubling from say square three to square four we went from 1+2+4 = 7 grains of rice on the chess board to 15 grains of rice on the chessboard as we added 8 grains to square 4. So in that one doubling we had to use more grains of rice than previously existed on the entire chessboard. So for those who assure us there is lots of oil, if only the oil companies and the OPEC countries would stop hoarding to jack up prices and stiff us, just be aware that you, by implication, must believe that there is enough oil available to easily provide the world for the next 35 years with more oil than it has consumed in the last 150 years. If you qualify the idea that there is lots of oil, by saying that there is lots of oil at current consumption rates, then explain how you are going to maintain economic growth and the continuing industrialization of China and the rest of Asia without growing oil supplies, or alternatively explain how world economies are going to be changed to a model that does not require continuous economic growth. Keep in the mind that the news making "big find" recently announced by a Brazilian oil company of a new deep water off-shore field was announced as up to 33 billion barrels. That is roughly the amount of oil, the world uses in slightly over 1 year, and it lies in very deep water and very deep underground, all of which will it make it difficult and very expensive to produce compared to traditional, shore based oil.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3201026&mesg_id=3201026
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:32 PM
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16. I'm guessing ALL corporations are getting in while the gouging is good.
Time is running out for these criminals....
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:47 PM
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17. Prices will rise on news of a glut
Any excuse they can use to raise prices
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:10 PM
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20. Yeah they'll jack em up as long as they can
Personally the only way it effects my Wife and I, is through the price of other goods. We actually care about the planet so we made choices to reduce our gas consumption. We bought a more expensive house closer to our jobs... now I work from home, but even before that recent development it didn't hurt us at all. An extra 20 dollars a month max from what we were paying 4 years ago :shrug: Not the end of the world.

If its hitting you too hard make different choices in vehicle and distance to work if you can. If you can't I'm sorry, but I guess the advantage my generation has is that we knew we were fucked before we got out of college so at least my wife and I chose to use less gas from the beginning.

I hope this helps drive down consumption though.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:51 PM
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24. Don't worry, they'll find a way to gouge you
Rest assured, they'll find a way.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:21 PM
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25. pah.
that is all.
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