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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:39 PM
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Israel's UN ambassador calls Jimmy Carter 'a bigot'
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080425/ap_on_re_us/un_israeli_ambassador&printer=1;_ylt=AkNDaa2VPXudm658JMzBqkVH2ocA

Israel's UN ambassador calls Jimmy Carter 'a bigot'

By VERENA DOBNIK, Associated Press Writer 4 minutes ago

Israel's ambassador to the United Nations on Thursday called former President Jimmy Carter "a bigot" for meeting with the leader of the militant Hamas movement in Syria.

Carter, a Nobel Peace Prize winner, "went to the region with soiled hands and came back with bloody hands after shaking the hand of Khaled Mashaal, the leader of Hamas," Ambassador Dan Gillerman told a luncheon briefing for reporters. The diplomat was questioned about problems facing his country during a wide-ranging discussion with reporters lasting more than an hour. The briefing was sponsored by The Israel Project, a Washington-based, media-oriented advocacy group.

The ambassador's harsh words for Carter came days after the ex-president met with Mashaal for seven hours in Damascus to negotiate a cease-fire with Gaza's Hamas rulers. Carter then called Mashaal on Monday to try to get him to agree to a one-month truce without conditions, but the Hamas leader rejected the idea.

The ambassador called last weekend's encounter "a very sad episode in American history." He said it was "a shame" to see Carter, who had done "good things" as a former president, "turn into what I believe to be a bigot."
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:41 PM
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1. whhhaaaaaat, is anti-semetic losing its bite??? n/t
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:42 PM
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2. Is tha enough to start WW3???
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:42 PM
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3. Formal Apology Demanded
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:44 PM
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4. Dan Gillerman showing those incredible diplomatic skills
that continue to fail Israel, the Middle East and the world.

Looking at these Ambassador's and 'spokepersons' one has to wonder what qualifies someone tol hold those posts.
This applies to most countries and many organizations.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:44 PM
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5. A shame
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:45 PM
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6. I wonder if this story is in any way connected to the story about the nuclear facility
that was blown up last September by the Israelis, that the US came out today with pictures of, but which was so "obliterated" that there is no evidence at this time to prove it? And any connection to the Condi Rice lies? No stone must be turned over, otherwise we may discover the truth...
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:46 PM
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7. So you think it's a smokescreen?
Hmmm
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:16 PM
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12. No way that story is fake.
Didn't you see the North Korean looking guy in the video wearing that Hard Rock Pyongyang T-shirt?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:25 PM
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16. I think it is more of a character assassination of President Carter...
He gets too close to the truth and interferes with important secret matters between our government and the present government of Israel. So all these stories break on the same day? With pictures of a nuclear facility that no longer exists but don't ask how they got the pictures?? Or why they didn't tell us about it before today. Maybe we did not have the "need to know" until today??
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:47 PM
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8. Israel's attack against Carter emphasizes their immoral policies toward Palestinians. If we wait
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 09:48 PM by jody
for Chicken and Rice to find common ground for peace between Israel and Palestine, that will be a long wait.

Sadly, BO has spoken out against Carter and that reveals much about BO's knowledge of ME affairs and his desire for peace or lack thereof on both counts.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:49 PM
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:50 PM
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10. It's standard. Anyone who says or does anything Israel doesn't like is so-labelled....
... They try to intellectualize it by describing it as "conflating criticism of Zionism and criticism of Judaism", but it's easier to just say "fucking lying".
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:22 PM
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13. If criticizing Zionism is criticizing Judaism,
how can making laws supporting Zionism not be making laws supporting Judaism?

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:30 PM
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17. Um, it's not. That was my point. But your conclusion doesn't follow in any case.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:33 PM
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20. That's what I meant by it.
Those who make that claim are opening a door to even bigger issues when it comes to US support.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:40 PM
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21. Well then we're vehemently agreeing!
:P
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 10:34 PM
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39. Exactly, It's almost as though DU is also subject to the awesome power of AIPAC.
Just mentioning them in less than boot-licking, subservient terms terms will get your post, ot the entire thread deleted.

Strangely, they don't seem to realize that this will be their undoing. The continued existence of Israel will measured in minutes without our backing, and they are ensuring that our support will be withdrawn as America looks inward and tries to deal with it's own problems.

:wtf:



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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:08 PM
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11. Considering the apartheid like situation the Palestinians are living under
Aren't the statements of the Israeli ambassador something like the pot calling the kettle black?

Regards
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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:23 PM
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14. read the first line of his wiki (link below)
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:47 PM
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24. Ah, he's a "free market" guy
Corporatists don't like Carter
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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:26 PM
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26. I meant his place of birth
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:25 PM
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15. those in power in this world have no intention of allowing peace to break out anywhere.
there is no money in peace
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:30 PM
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18. who gives a shit what this guy thinks
...i`m getting tired of this semite tribal warfare...
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:33 PM
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19. I'm just gonna throw it out that Israel has been trying the tough approach with Hamas for years
And it's worked out so well that now they control the Palestinian government. I don't exactly like Hamas but trying to de-legitimize them by classifying them as terrorists ain't working out so well.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:44 PM
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22. Does the Israeli government have the guts to call him an anti-Semite outright?
  Come on, let us know how you really feel!

Next up: Yigal Amir released from prison just in time for Carter's visit to Rabin Square.

:eyes:

PB
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:46 PM
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23. Jimmy Carter is the ONLY President to ever help Israel make peace with any of their neighbors.


Is that why the Likud Zionists hate him so much? Because they HATE peace?
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:10 PM
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25. Fuck that Israeli chump.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:39 AM
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27. These guys are not in the habit of diplomacy.
And that's actually good, for anyone who dares to listen, they tell us straight up what they really think. Last week, former Prime Minister Netanyahu said these words:

"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,"

Nice to see someone's loss can be anther's gain. And of course, Iran is like Germany in the 30's:

"Speaking Wednesday at a news conference on the Iran threat, Netanyahu compared Ahmadinejad to Adolf Hitler and likened Tehran's nuclear program to the threat the Nazis posed to Europe in the late 1930s."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:52 AM
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28. Netanyahu is a warmongering Asshole.
The present Regime of Israel is similar to the present Regime of the US. They both suck!
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:00 AM
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29. He is indeed; but just to clarify: Netanyahu is not currently PM of Israel
And let's hope he never is again!!!

The current government is an uneasy coalition, including people of various views ranging from some comparatively dovish types to Avigdor "nutcase" Lieberman.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:42 AM
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32. Correction to above: Lieberman recently left the coalition, but the Shas righties are still members.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:18 AM
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30. An eminently un-diplomatic remark for someone whose job is diplomacy,
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:11 AM
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31. That's ridiculous!
Israel's UN ambassador is a moron.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 05:54 AM
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33. This from one of the worst bigots
on the planet. :puke: Go Jimmy!!

Only Bushco's environment would facilitate a climate where a so called diplomat would dare insult the former head of state.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:42 AM
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34. Carter is a man of character who will be remembered in history as a tireless champion of peace.
I doubt anyone will even know this ambassador's name 10 years from now. No, make that five years from now.
Just another little self-important jerk-off who wants the US to keep the money flowing to Israel.
I'm in favor of turning off the spigot.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:47 AM
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35. Anyone Who Doesn't Bow Down To Israel's Right-Wing Regime Is Called A Bigot
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:50 AM
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36. Convservative Israeli politicians need a new meme
Not everyone who disagrees with some aspect of Israeli policy is automatically a raging Anti-Semite.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:56 AM
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37. If Carter is a bigot, then so am I. And, the racist Gillerman
can plant his lips square on my rosy red ass.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:14 PM
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38. Open minded and working for peace= bigot? huh, not my definition. nt
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:53 AM
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40. Can't get much more insane than that comment.
:crazy:
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:02 PM
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41. "That's how it is here: The rulers set the tone, and the media begins to gripe"
Yes, it is apartheid
By Yossi Sarid (published in Haaretz)


The anchorwoman was clearly shocked: I don't have time now to respond to what you have said, she told the former U.S. president, allowing Jimmy Carter to make a narrow escape from her clutches. Then she added that she did not want to imagine what would happen to him if he bumped into her colleague from the security affairs desk in Channel 2's dark alley. And the pundit sitting there, sunk in deep thought as always, nodded his heavy head, confirming: He's lucky, the bastard, that we didn't gang up on him and cut him to shreds.

That's how it is here: The rulers set the tone, and the media begins to gripe: Not only did Carter's mission not help, it did damage. He alone was the reason Gilad Shalit was not ransomed out of captivity during the holiday. That's what happens when an enemy of the human race, the twin of the Twin Towers' bin Laden, sticks his nose where it does not belong.

Let's let old Carter be, so he may let sleeping warriors lie; he will not be back. The contents of his words, however, should not be ignored. "Apartheid," he said, "apartheid" - a dark, scary word coined by Afrikaners and meaning segregation, racial segregation.
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What does he want from us, that evil man: What do we have to do with apartheid? Does a separation fence constitute separation? Do separate roads for Jewish settlers and Palestinians really separate? Are Palestinian enclaves between Jewish settlements Bantustans?

There is no hint of similarity between South Africa and Israel, and only a sick mind could draw such shadowy connections between them. Roadblocks and inspections at every turn; licenses and permits for every little matter; the arbitrary seizure of land; special privileges in water use; cheap, hard labor; forming and uniting families by bureaucratic whim - none of these are apartheid, in any way. They are an incontrovertible security necessity, period.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/977947.html
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cseper Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:49 PM
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42. So, according to you,
only Israel has clean hands, in the crisis in the Middle East? Did you ever stop and think about the history of occupation of another territory ? When that occurs, sh!t happens! When Israel gets entirely out of the occupied land, only then will there be peace.


"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:30 AM
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43. That Sharon quote is a hoax
Israel has many faults, and the Occupation should end; but Israel does *not* control America, or think it does.
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