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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:09 PM
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Gas prices are high
It freaks me out when I don't see a thread in GD bitching about gas prices.

There.

I feel better now.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:11 PM
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1. I ignited ZERO gasoline today. Several hours to go and the grass
is gettin' tall, but I think I can control myself for another few.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:13 PM
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3. I took my dogs to the park and bought some beer on the way home
I think I went through about a quart.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:28 PM
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8. Mmmmm, isn't that somewhere around
a "pint"?

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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:31 PM
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12. A pint is 16 ounces, a quart is 32 ounces
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:34 PM
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13. Great sig btw.... even better pic. n/t
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:49 PM
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29. yum , beer
alas I'm on a diet

They should invent the zero calorie beer
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:12 PM
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2. yes they are. $3.47 on 4/16 to fill up, yesterday it was $3.66
19 cents in less than 10 days (there was a way point of $3.58 in there too)

:banghead:
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:16 PM
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4. I'm in construction.
I pass most of my costs on t0 the consumer, except for weekends and personal trips.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:21 PM
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5. Yeah, all of my the RePugs
in my family are whining about how gas prices are just killing them. They have BIG vehicles and commute a long way to work.

My response was not kind. Voting for George W. Bush the first time around was understandable (for a RePug); but voting for Bush the SECOND time around was unconscionable. They ASKED for it.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:23 PM
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6. They should be forced to buy gas for folks who didn't vote for Bush
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:00 PM
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20. Well, yes, that would be nice.
But I WALK to work. :evilgrin:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:27 PM
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7. I remember when gas was $1.29 before Bush and The Dick stole the WH.
I wonder if the rest of America remembers?
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:28 PM
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9. They remember, they just don't know how much W is to blame
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:28 PM
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10. $3.79 when I went to the dentist the other day, but
I was running late, so I figured I'd fill up on the way home. The station was literally 200 feet from the dentist's office. When I left, an hour later, it was $3.83. The station at the corner near my house is $3.89 and it's been that way for a few days -- so I'm expecting $3.90+ or maybe $4 this week.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:34 PM
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14. I remember when gas as 10 cents a gallon!!! So what is anyone going to
do about the high price of gas - "Keep on drivin' - to hell with the cost, plan vacations and never carpool. We'll show them who is in charge!!!
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:37 PM
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15. Complaining about gas prices on the Internet is an effective way to lower prices
You should try it sometime.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:00 PM
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21. And complaining about people complaining is even dumber
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:29 PM
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25. This will help: http ://www. closetheenronloophole.com/
Alot more than bitching on the internet. It's a really quick easy email to your reps. The prices are only inflated because the B* admin deregulated resource trading on wall street. Like everything else.

The senate can change it, if they get enough pressure.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:29 PM
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11. grrrrrrrr
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teacher gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:40 PM
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16. Well here's a K&R
and I'll add my complaints....although it's not as high here yet as in some places. I think it was 3.55 when I looked yesterday. Probably has already gone up again since then.
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anakie Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:45 PM
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17. Yet, ironcally
you guys are still paying well under what we in the rest of the world pay for our gasoline. This weekend if I buy fuel they want approx USD5.30 per US Gallon - SE Queensland, Australia.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:52 PM
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18. It's the sudden increase that has people pissed
It tends to mess up our budgets.
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anakie Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:00 PM
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22. The rest of the world has also had a sudden increase
over the last couple of weeks. Here this weekend is AUD1.40 per litre - admittedly there is a long weekend here - 10 days or so ago I was buying for about $1.20 per litre. When prices are approaching $120 per barrel - somewhat due to your governments foreign policies, gas prices will rise.

Bottom line remains gasoline prices in the USA are cheap compared to the rest of the developed world.


Peace
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:45 PM
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28. Apples/oranges
It's really not possible to make a comparison like that when you're talking about different economies, incomes, etc. For example, your minimum wage is $13.74 AUS/hour, isn't it? At the current exchange rate that's $12.83 US. But the US minimum wage is $5.85/hour. So a minimum wage earner in Australia is making more than double an hour to his/her American counterpart.

You also have something of a public healthcare system which we don't have.

I lived in the UK for several years till 2003 when we moved back to the US, so I have more than one experience of how cost of living varies between countries. Unless you factor in a lot of other variables, you can't make a meaningful comparison of how cheap or expensive gas prices are between nations.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:28 AM
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35. yes we have health care
which someone on an AVERAGE wage pays 50% income tax for.

A minimum wage earner in Oz is not making ANYWHERE near double a US minimum wage earner in real terms.
All consumer items (except healthcare) are cheaper in the US - cars, housing and food especially.

Relatively studies aren't all that hard to do and many have been. I'm also a dual citizen meaning I have experience of not only living and consuming in 2 nations but paying tax in two.

It is beyond argument that the US has by far, the cheapest petrol prices in the developed world.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:16 AM
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32. I filled up at 1.60 last week
and that was in metro Melbourne - the prices in the regional towns I work in were 1.75
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:56 PM
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19. "'Age of scarcity' will drive oil to $225 US a barrel"
FYI, The CIBC mentioned below is the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, one of the biggest of the Canadian banks.

'Age of scarcity' will drive oil to $225 US a barrel: CIBC
John Morrissy , Canwest News Service
Published: Thursday, April 24, 2008

OTTAWA - Prepare for gasoline prices to hit $2.25 a litre by 2012 and for crude oil to soar to $225 US a barrel as scant supply growth delivers us into the "age of scarcity," says CIBC World Markets chief economist Jeff Rubin.

"Our latest review of probable supply suggests oil production will hardly grow at all, with average daily production between now and 2012 rising by barely more than a million barrels per day, Rubin said in his report, The Age of Scarcity. "Despite the recent record jump in oil prices, the outlook suggests oil prices will continue to rise steadily over the next five years, almost doubling from current levels."

He said there has been no growth in oil supply over the past two and half years, contrary to popular misconception. Whereas total output has grown to an estimated 86 million barrels a day, the growth has been in related products known as natural-gas liquids, such as butane, used in cigarette lighters.

SNIP

By 2012, more oil will be consumed in the developing world than in the developed world, "a virtually unthinkable prospect a little over a decade ago, when consumption outside of the OECD measured little more than half of the OECD's annual oil intake."

"The point is that the solution lies not with the supply curve, it lies with the demand curve," Rubin said. "It's not about finding new sources of energy supply, it's about consuming less energy, because ultimately, that's what we're going to have to do."

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=67771e46-d27c-4872-9224-efda9e086dfe&k=62562


I just posted the link below from a Houston Chronicle story on rising oil prices to a thread I started in GD about the implications of exponential growth patterns on oil consumption:


There's more to $120 oil than speculation

By LOREN STEFFY

SNIP

"All the conventional wisdom about oil markets is wrong," said Jeffrey Brown, an independent geologist in Dallas who studies energy market data.

The idea that high oil prices are temporary is misleading, he added.

Don't let the pause in prices Thursday fool you. Brown sees a geometric progression of escalating prices, an upward spiral of devastating economic consequences.

Brown is a proponent of peak oil, the theory that the world's oil supplies are declining. I called him, though, not to retread those arguments but because of his work developing the Export Land Model, a counterintuitive theory that says as oil prices rise, exports from oil-producing nations will fall.

Guess what that means for importers such as the U.S.?

Here's what happens: as prices rise, oil-exporting countries benefit from an influx of petrodollars. That, in turn, spurs economic expansion, which in turn increases domestic oil consumption. As demand rises, more oil is devoted to meeting that domestic demand, leaving less oil to export.

As exports fall, worldwide prices rise even more.

What Brown finds scarier than $120 oil is the latest projections from the International Energy Agency that forecast a 4.4 percent rise in oil consumption this year from key emerging markets — China, India, Russia and the Middle East.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/steffy/5729358.html

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:28 PM
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23. Fifty freakin' dollars to fill up my tank today...FIFTY DOLLARS
:wow:

That's a first. :puke:
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 08:08 PM
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24. $4.10 in Arcata, CA today
It was "only" $4.05 in Eureka, six miles down the road.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 09:38 PM
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26. There's something I don't quite get
people are so fixated on gas prices (and yes, I get that it effects the cost of everything, but the average person is only fixating on the personal gas pump) and yet, I use about 30 gallons of gas a month, therefore I now pay about $60 more a month than before. It's insignificant compared to the $500.00 I shell out every month for my child's medicine. Last December, I paid $80.00 a month for the same medicines. So, really, my money woes have less to do with the gas and more to do with health insurance and getting screwed by the insurers.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:22 AM
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33. we have people driving to the next suburb
to get petrol a few cents per litre cheaper. If they fill their tank they've saved about enough money to cover the extra traveling distance.

Petrol prices are the least of our problems when housing costs are taking up obscene chunks of people's income and many of us have completely given up on the idea of home ownership, public spending on public health and education continues to decline while we subsidise private provision of those services to the rich, we have more leeching politicians per head of population than anywhere in the world, indigenous Australians have third world life expenctancies.

Yet it's a 1 cent hike in petrol prices that remains the mostly likely spark of revolution in Australia
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:22 AM
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34. Yeah, same here
It's kind of bizarre actually. Now, mind you, people are incensed but no one seems to be considering public transportation.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:00 PM
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37. My husband loves the bus and has been taking it to work for years.
He hates fighting traffic and parking costs are outta sight. He's made bus buddies and enjoys chatting with them. Occasionaly, he has a bus driver that makes er, "unplanned" , detours and things get a bit "confused." We laugh about it...
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:17 PM
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27. Water Is Wet.
:)
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 11:50 PM
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30. but, water can run your car.......see this
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 11:52 PM by ruby slippers
This is a link to the video

http://gprime.net/video.php/waterfuel

And, here is the link to the story....

http://hytechapps.com/aquygen/hhos
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:14 AM
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31. I just get annoyed when I see them
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 12:25 AM by Djinn
petrol is around $6-7 a gallon in Australia and despite the non stop bitching people still get in their cars to drive half a kilometer to buy milk (which is almost as expensive despite the disparities in costs and difficulties in production). If the price is set by what the market will accept, petrol could cost twice as much and still sell like hotcakes.

Maybe to alleviate the pain at the pumps, gas station owners could paste up pictures like this, giving a little perspective as to the "price" some people pay for oil




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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 04:50 PM
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36. Who can walk 10 miles for milk?
That's how far half a kilo is right?

You should post that graphic in all the gas threads here.

Really.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:08 PM
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39. ? 1 k = .6 mile n/t
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:41 PM
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40. Do I look like a mathematician?
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:31 PM
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41. and I thought I was bad with numbers
;-)

I probably could have made it smaller - a friend of mine looked at me in horror yesterday when I said I'd walk to the store (it's a milk-bar where I am but I'm getting used to translating for Americans). Admittedly it was cold and had started to rain a wee bit BUT it's all of 300 metres away!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 05:02 PM
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38. Holy shit Obviousman!
Where's Pointlessboy?

-Hoot
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:38 AM
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42. Pointlessboy is probably hanging out in the Lounge
But that's just a guess
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