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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:13 AM
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Welcome Home, US Customs Question: Do you always travel alone?
Okay, so I am beginning to think the US is a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. I felt stressed out from the time we landed until I cleared the customs hall: you see my feeling is that these days in the US, everyone is guilty until proven innocent going through customs here. It is so different in Europe, they check your passport, and let you though, no harassment, no confrontations. You don't feel like a "criminal."

Yesterday I flew into a major East Coast city, only to be slightly harassed by the customs officer. He took my passport and my customs declaration page, and said, "so Jane, are you traveling alone?" Me: "Yes." Him: "Why do you travel alone?" Me: slightly shocked at his question, "why not travel alone?"

If I had been thinking, I should have said, "why are only men allowed to travel alone?"

My daughter said they are looking for "drug mules." Yeah, like I really look like a drug mule. :eyes:




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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:16 AM
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1. Welcome to America
anal cavity searches coming to an airport near you
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:18 AM
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2. That is an odd question. Why do you travel alone?
The mood in America of being guilty now until innocence can be proven needs to be changed.
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Debau2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:22 AM
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3. Same thing happened to me by border patrol in New Mexico
I had flown into El Paso, spent 1 night in Los Cruces before heading to Gila, NM for a week of working on a ranch...yes, it is my idea of a relaxing vacation :evilgrin:
Outside Los Cruces, NM, was a border patrol stop point on the interstate. I was in a rental car and alone, my family and friends didn't feel the need to spent 7 days working cows in August.

Stopped, rolled down my window, and was immediately assaulted with questions. Where am I going...Gila, NM, why am I going....vacation, do I always travel "ALONE"...no, why am I traveling "ALONE" this time....because I want to.

My answers got more sarcastic and nasty to the point that the other guy with him got amused and walked off. I finally told him, if he wanted to question me further and search my car, then go ahead, I was not going to sit with the car running wasting gas to answer his questions. And that if he needed my "paper" I had them to show where I was going and for how long.

I got the impression that woman shouldn't travel alone on vacation. If he wanted to search me for drugs, then stop me, get the dog sniffing and let's move on! I would have understood that, but the tone and the line of questioning was more of a stab at me vacationing alone.
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Outraged As Usual Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:41 AM
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7. Never do that again!!
You should never ever give consent to search to any cop. If you are in the USA you have no obligation to show Border Patrol anything. Tell any cop to go to hell if they want to question or search you. Innocence means nothing..you could be the victim of planting of drugs or worse from a rouge cop, and there are many. If any cop starts to question you, just say:" I never speak to the police without an attorney, and I never give consent to search". The cops cannot legally detain you or question you or search you without a warrant, period.

You are NOT required to produce paper ID ....if driving of course you must have papers for your car and a license, but under all other circumstances verbal is fine for giving ID and nothing else is required at all. You do NOT have to speak to any cop at any time and tell them where you are going..or anything else. If any cop ever asked me where I was going, I would say: " to your Mammy's house, thug". Best bet though is to clam up and protect your rights. Just refuse to speak to them and ask if you are free to leave...if so, leave..if not, then clam up.

The cop's love for the people to be cowed and assume that they can search and question us, but in the USA, not at an airport, they have zero rights to search and hassle us. Tell them NO!! No conversation, no searches..nothing. One poor fellow in California was stopped by the cop's and a detective planted drugs in his car as part of his dog's ' training' and then ' forgot ' he had done so, and when the guy pulled away from the traffic stop, they pulled him over again and charged him for the cop's drugs!! The court was not notified until the man had been in jail a while...sick cop's.

Never allow any cop to enter your car, search it or you. You do NOT ever have to empty your pockets for a cop, or open your car or trunk, and the cop's cannot legally detain you while they ' send for a dog '..it is all bluff and lies. Cop's cannot be trusted whatsoever and should be treated with cautious disdain by us all. Give them nothing they are not legally entitled to...and that is not a lot. They take liberties all the time and it is time we took them back.

Stand strong and back them down...it is a great feeling to see a thug cop back off and slink away knowing they have met their match..very empowering. try it sometime and get your backbone back!!
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:07 AM
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12. This is the same advice we were given by a former law enforcement officer.
He said if you are asked if they can search the car to politely decline by saying that you have nothing to hide but prefer that they not. He also said that officers are trained 'differently' these days. He did not elaborate on this but was adamant that you decline a voluntary search. This advice came to us about three years ago.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:06 PM
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26. Maybe that's why he is a "former" officer. He is giving out poor info.
Border patrol can search without consent just as the TSA at the airports can.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:15 PM
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35. Sorry , my guy was not border patrol...my bad.
He was local government and I will still abide by his advice there.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:04 PM
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25. Bad advice. The border patrol can search without consent.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:56 PM
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33. yeah, the border is one giant "Fourth Amendment-free" zone
They search if they feel like it. You have no recourse.
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TCJ70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:58 PM
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34. Normally I wouldn't say this...
...but that policy kind of makes sense to me.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:34 PM
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43. It also applies to areas close to the border.
You see immigration/customs checkpoints 50 miles north of the border in Texas.

You see them all along I-10 in Arizona and New Mexico.

You see them on I-87 (I think) in New York state.

In theory, the feds could simply declare anywhere within 50 miles or so of a border or a port a "Fourth Amendment-free zone."

Kind of a scary thought if you live in, say, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Tucson, El Paso, New Orleans, Miami, Baltimore, New York, Boston, or Detroit.
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:18 AM
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83. Make That Anywhere
...within fifty miles of an international airport.


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Outraged As Usual Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:16 AM
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81. YOU are wrong!!
If the Border Patrol stops you INSIDE the continental US, they CANNOT legally search you. At the border, fine. But they have no right to bother citizens already here. They MUST have PROBABLE CAUSE to detain anyone if it is not at a border crossing. What if the Border Patrol decided to set up shop on the Jersey Turnpike at 4 pm and check ID's for citizenship? Think that would wash?

Local cop's are bound by the same laws as the Feds...but at a border it all changes. But aside from that, we have the right to refuse ALL searches and questions whatsoever. If I were stopped by a BP agent inside the USA, I would first demand to know what the hell he wanted and why he was so far from a border...then I would tell him to shove it if he asked for anything whatsoever. Inside the USA they are bluffing and acting illegally if they have no warrant.

We all know that airports and borders are places where special authority to search without a warrant exists...but inside the country, it is too late for them to pretend that you are still under their jurisdiction. Just take a firm stand and back down a few cop's...it is very empowering. And the cop's see that not all of us are cowards and willing to bow and scrape before their supposed authority. Me, I just don't like cop's anyway. I am always willing to go toe to toe with them as I like turning the tables on bullies and loudmouths.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:32 PM
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87. Travel through southern Arizona and try that out.
Maybe they will let you post from jail.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:25 AM
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4. Welcome to Creepyville
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:29 AM
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5. Leaving the Orlando airport...
maybe 10 years ago, I was wanded with one of those drug detection wands. Apparently, some profiling idiots couldn't comprehend the possibility that a woman, owning her own business, could be traveling alone, from Orlando to New York, after finishing up a trade show at the convention center.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:35 AM
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6. What does a drug mule look like, anyway?
Just askin.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:45 AM
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8. "Mule Boy," from Wisconsin's now defunct stoner/doom legends, BONGZILLA
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:28 AM
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13. I am not sure, but not like me.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:48 AM
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9. Having done the border patrol gig back in 2006...
I can assure you that you most certainly fit the description of a "drug mule". So do I. So does my cube mate. Point is, after having seen the sheer variety in the types of people coming across the border, some of whom are carrying drugs, there is no "typical" drug mule "look". If you're northbound from the border, you're going to raise suspicion.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:51 AM
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10. I am traveling "alone" to Italy next week. I am meeting a group tour in Milan.
I have returned to the U.S. from Sicily and from Vancouver alone and not been asked this question so this is the first time I have heard this. I returned from Sicily through Boston and Vancouver through Hartford-Springfield. I remember joking with the customs guy in Boston about how my Sicily guide thought Harvard and Yale were both in Boston (I live in New Haven). It was just funny...I don't remember much about the Vancouver return except for a paper I had to fill out on that flu virus that had gone international that year (2002 or 2003, can't remember exactly now).



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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 07:55 AM
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11. i have been grilled in European travelpoints as well
Frankfurt Germany was particularly difficult as they asked about 20 questions. Zürich was tough too. The all time champ for tough questions was the EXIT interview in Israel...much easier to get into the country than get out...

It is not just the US.

sP
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:31 AM
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14. Well I have been traveling back and forth to Europe for
decades, and I have NEVER been asked any questions upon entry. Never in Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Rome.

When it comes to Customs, the US is the worst, it never used to be like this.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:41 AM
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16. Oh, I have. And I've travelled internationally a LOT. For many decades.
And not just in the US. The UK is "interesting," too. They were doing the "Did you pack your own bag?" routine eons before we started it. Same with Israel.

The difference now is that you ALWAYS get some level of crap. Before, it was hit or miss.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:48 AM
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17. I find that very hard to believe.
"I have NEVER been asked any questions upon entry. Never in Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Rome."

I'm German. From Germany. When entering Germany I have never NOT been stopped and grilled for a few minutes.

On the other hand, I am very rarely asked questions when entering the US. For example, when coming back from my honeymoon to Argentina, my wife and I were carrying a couple cases of wine and other booze (like Legui...yummy). I even filled out the customs declaration...but when it came time to declare the items, the US customs dude didn't want to be bothered with it...he just waved us through even though I wanted to declare those items. Weird.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:44 PM
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31. On the train from Amersterdam through Germany to Italy
They brought the dog into our cabin and had it sniff around.

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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:59 PM
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32. That's why God invented peanut butter.
:thumbsup:

Know what I'm talking about?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:26 PM
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40. Or cayenne pepper
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:31 PM
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41. Honestly Squatch
They have never asked me anything, maybe once, "do you live here (I have an Aufenthaltstitel) but never "do you travel alone?"

This is the first time that I have ever been asked anything that I found provocative by a customs agent. But I think many travelers have noticed since Bushies took over, the fear factor and terrorist mentality is alive and well with DHS and their workers.

Just my 02 euro cents. :hi:
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:52 AM
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19. You're not kidding about Israel
My first visit there I was 20 years old. I was with my mom and we were on a tour of the Middle East. We were on our way to Turkey from Israel and had to go through a search at Immigration. I entered the cubicle and got a youngish woman agent who apparently was having a bad day, which she proceeded to take out on me. She made lots of negative comments about the US, like, oh all of you have cars and think you are so great. I told her that only one of my circle of friends owned her own car and that was because she commuted to college and had an after-school job. I had to raise my dress over my head so that she could see if I was carrying anything. She went through my carry-on, which because I was 20, had a drug store's worth amount of cosmetics, only 3 of which I bothered to use, and opened them and tried them on. I threw most of them away because I really dislike people, especially ones I don't know, touching anything I might put on my eyes, face or lips. Meanwhile they were doing the last call for our plane and my mom whose exit interview had lasted all of about 2 seconds, was calling for me to come. Security personnel were trying to hustle her out onto the bus and she was refusing. Finally a supervisor was called and he spoke to my agent in Hebrew, rather sharply. Whatever he said did the trick, because with one last comment and a great exit line from me (She: looking at my passport: Oh I see you had a birthday a few days ago. Me: Yes, I was in Egypt at the time. One of the best birthdays I've ever had. Grabbed passport and exited stage front.)

Of course here in the US I've traveled without my husband but with my daughter a couple of times and on one trip leaving out of BWI Airport, DHS agents, spotting my ring, asked me why I was traveling without my husband and did I make it a practice to do so. I simply said Yes. Let them figure out to which question.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:35 PM
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66. These personal questions border on
invasion of privacy (re: BWI, your ring, lack of husband) where do these people get off??

Seriously. I'd really like to know. I'd write an FU nasty letter to follow to that ghoul Chertoff, but then I'd end up on a no-seeums list.
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:09 AM
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22. I've gotten the same question at Heathrow
I've traveled alone on business many times, no hassle, but when I went to the UK by myself on vacation it took some talking to explain to the customs official that I was meeting my sister and yes, it was quicker for me to fly to London from San Francisco than to upstate New York where she lives. Canada always wants to know if we're visiting relatives.

The weirdest question I ever got was from a US Customs guy, who asked "Do you live in California voluntarily?". Didn't ask anything about Mr. Retrograde's Saudi visa, though.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:36 AM
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15. Flew into? From where? If you were coming from Colombia, that was easy! NT
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:49 AM
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18. I agree with you completely.
I HATE traveling. I hate coming back through US Customs the most. I hate the TSA pat downs next. I hate the stupid fucking shoe thing next.

I hate that we are all treated like suspects in a murder investigation.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:54 AM
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20. Flying out of Philly last year, I purposely wore flip flops.
They were two pieces of foam strapped to my feet...you know, you're typical flip flop. The undertrained, overly authoritative 20-yo TSA person made me take them off to walk through the metal detector. I even asked her to look at the flip flops to verify that they were unequivocally NOT weapons of mass destruction. Fucking asshole broke out the attitude and made me walk through that filthy security checkpoint barefoot. :puke:

But, coming back in to Philly...the customs dudes barely batted an eyelash. Just looked at the passport, stamped it, and waved me through.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:34 PM
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42. Philly is the worst, I am ashamed of my hometown
My family all lives here and it is convenient, but given the choice I'd rather fly direct from Germany to EWR (Newark) I find them to be much friendlier, go figure?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:23 PM
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86. we must pose a threat to this cowardly administration
are they that scared of us, or is it, "YOU'RE WITH US OR AGAINST US" sick mentality.
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Outraged As Usual Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:34 AM
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21. Here is a retort..
If some cop ever ' asks' or demands or harasses you for CONSENT to search, and asks you if you have something to hide, just say: " I have nothing to hide, but I do have something to protect..the CONSTITUTION!!". I asked a cop once at a roadblock ( who asked me for consent)if he had sworn an oath to protect and defend the Constitution...he said' of course '. I said" Well then, surely you would not spit on the graves of all those patriots who died for that document and the rights it gives us, would you?. You would'nt ask me to give my rights away, would you?". He went to his Sgt. and said something to him and the Sgt. looked at me glaring at them and said : " Let him go".

The police MUST not lose what little respect they still have for civilians in this militarized time when cop's are being turned into combat troops...and they will unless they see us USING our rights. If every person pulled over and asked for consent just refused and stood firm and did not give in to the intimidation and lies and bullying we would see a change. The cop's would soon change their tune and act professionally.Why waste time asking when they know that they will be refused? But we are weak here in the USA and after watching a few episodes of COP'S on TV the average drone actually believes that the crap they see the thug cop's do on TV is OK and legal..it is not.

Airports have never been a problem for me, and that is strange , as I am 57 years old with hair almost to my waist, bearded, and look like my frequent trips to Amsterdam might just be for more than drinking coffee in a coffeeshop!! My bags have never been opened coming back and I have never been questioned at all.I exude an air of confidence and assurance and a command of my space..practiced for many years..and maybe that helps. I just look like someone that would be a very nasty guy myself if messed with and bothered perhaps...and thats OK with me!! Anything that works!!

Just for fun, as an aside, here is an absolutely true story..happened to me back in the 70's when I was living in Miami: I took a couple of chicks to Negril Jamaica when I made some extra money ( back then you could pull a boat with square grouper right up to the dock at Haulover and hook the trailer up!!) and upon returning to Miami Airport, I filled the Immigration card out and carried it along the path to the luggage and screening area, as usual. The girls were behind me in line and a lady Customs inspector had me open my bag...she missed one rather large item that was in it..thank God, and my boots were stuffed with ganja and my heels hollowed out and full of Mandrax for later that evening..we were all dirty in one way or another..the girls luggage was clean but they had various things stuffed in their panties, etc.

I cleared the luggage check and walked away to the middle of the concourse to wait for the girls to clear.. I was standing praying that the girls made it thru OK and I felt a tap on my shoulder. I turned and there was a uniformed senior Customs Inspector staring at me. He said : " Is your name ____ ___ ", and I said " Yes". He then said " You are under arrest ". I almost choked but said " What the hell for? ", with as much indignity as I could muster..a last resort. He then smiled at me and said " Hey, I am just kidding..here, you dropped your card". I had dropped that damned immigration card and he saw it and returned it to me, along with a little humor!!

I said " Thanks ", and picked up my bag and headed to the door, gave the last guy the card and left. I knew all my luck had been used up. I met the girls at the car park and they were flipped out from watching the guy approach me while they were still in line. Needless to say, I NEVER broke the rules again and I make sure I am squeaky clean before leaving for the airport....my luck was all used up that day and I do not press it. Just imagine being that close and having a jokester Customs man pull that stunt...almost gave me a heart attack!!
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:22 PM
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29. Alrighty, but if you won't let Customs search you you won't be allowed in the country
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:41 PM
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47. Well..
I've never smuggled anything illegal, not my nature. I am the person that declares items purchased when I don't even have anything!! This time I put down that I bought $40 worth of stuff because I thought it would look suspicious if I went abroad and said I had $0 goodies - well guess what? This guy also asked me what I spent $40 on - then I REALLY stammered, because I had bought NOTHING!! (Except some fruit juice and German textbook, guess I could have claimed by German software too).

I noticed on the back of the customs declaration form that it now says, since 2004: forbidden items include controlled substances, offensive literature/materials -- how the heck do they define what offensive materials are? Call up the thought police?



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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:44 PM
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50. You are in the very gray land at that moment
where the Constitution does not apply


yes... immigration and customs are a very special case
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TCJ70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:26 AM
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23. Why did you decide it had anything to do...
...with gender?

Not picking a fight, just wondering.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:43 PM
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48. Do you think they ask men why they travel alone?
and as Seinfeld says: it was the TONE. This guy was very condescending.
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TCJ70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:02 PM
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84. I don't know...I've never been pulled aside really.
I have no reason to believe they DON'T though. Apparently people in this very thread have been asked the same question, men and women alike.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:48 AM
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24. "Why" is none of their damn business.
They require an answer that isn't hostile or deceitful, so I'd probably say because I only felt like buying one ticket.

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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:43 PM
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49. I couldn't afford to take my husband with me, LOL.
good one. We need some creative answers here.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:10 PM
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27. I get more flak when I enter the USA with my wife then when alone
Edited on Fri May-02-08 12:16 PM by DFW
My wife is a German citizen with her legal residence in Germany wheras
I am an American citizen with my legal residence in Texas. Sometimes when
we enter the USA together from Europe, we get questioned about stuff like
is she coming here to live (no) do I maintain a legal residence in Europe
(no), then where do I live? I answer truthfully: mostly in airports. One
immigration guy in Washington knew exactly what I meant and smiled knowingly
and said, "oh, one of THOSE jobs." He waved me right through.

The Germans are usually cool, but not always. Sometimes I get on to some
anal nitpicker who gets flustered by the dozens of stamps in my passport.
One of them, instead of waving me through, flipped endlessly through my
passport, looking for God only knows what. Finally, he asked me (in German)
if I spoke German. I replied with "ja." He then asked if my legal residence
was in Germany. I replied, "nein." He then kept endlessly flipping through
my passport until I lost my patience. I told him (still in German) that I
also spoke fluent French and didn't live in France. He looked up, and thought
for a moment, said I had a point, there, and let me go.

Another time, I was on a commuter flight from Amsterdam to Düsseldorf, and
noticed, to my great astonishment that the guy sitting next to me looked
exactly like the former president of Germany.* I asked if by any chance he
was who I thought he was. Sure enough, that's who it was. We had a grand old
time talking about stuff I did, and stuff he used to do, and before you knew
it, we had landed in Düsseldorf. I let him go in front of me to immigration.
This was in the days when there were still border controls between Germany
and Holland. The Germans recognized him immediately, of course, and waved him
right through. He then turned to me and said something like "great seeing you,
catch you next time!" and walked off. The astonished German border police asked
if I knew their former president. I just said, "natürlich!" They then waved me
through just as quickly. I could have been a wanted axe murderer for all they knew.

These people often go by the appearances of things, which is not the most efficient
way to go about catching bad guys, never has been. They don't all wear black hats,
and not all the good guys wear white ones.

*The political power in Germany rests with the Chancellor, but they also have what
is called a "Federal President," which is largely a figurehead that does PR appearances
and represent the country at many events that just are not vital enough to take up the
chancellor's time. Sometimes this position is filled by a well-respected popular
political personality (the guy I flew with even recorded a hit record while in office),
and sometimes it is just a reward for past glory, or an attempt at same. Sometimes it
is given to a colorless individual for reasons not entirely clear.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:17 PM
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28. explain that you always
travel with Jesus in your heart, so you are never alone.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:28 PM
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30. They did the same to me and asked the same thing when I was coming back from the Philippines
It caught me off-guard too. I had to think a bit because I traveled to the Philippines with someone but came back alone. So I wasn't going to say "yes I always travel alone". After thinking a bit he just gave me back my Id and I went on to get my luggage.

It wasn't because you are a women.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:59 PM
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51. OK, well that makes me feel better
but the guy was condescending, calling me by my first name and then the question. I'm old enough to be that twit's mother. Show a little respect, he could have said Ms. 48percenter.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:23 PM
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36. I hate coming back to the US
Customs and Immigrations are just slightly friendlier than the KGB or some third world country where your civil rights are non existent.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:00 PM
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37. I've NEVER been asked that. I'm a guy of course
I think it's more of a personal thing than a bureaucratic thing. I think that the custom's agents hate their jobs and take it out on us. I always just come in with a smile and try to be the nicest traveler they meet that day. I'm usually met with that dead stare and a monotone litany of required questions. Welcome Home!
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:01 PM
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52. I actually once had a customs agent say Welcome Home
but that was in Newark. I start to think Fuck Philly, they just have an all-round bad "attytude." (That's a Phillyism)

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:03 PM
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38. Weird. Drug mules wouldn't necessarily travel alone, either.
I'd be tempted to childishly say: It's a free country!

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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:17 PM
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39. My son got asked that same question
But he was coming home from a trip to Southeast Asia. They wanted to know if he was there for kiddie sex and they demanded to go through the photos on his digital camera. He let them look, but he was pissed off about it.

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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:04 PM
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54. USA is turning into a police state, it is official.
:eyes:

Did they shine one of those big lights in his face? Disgraceful.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:35 PM
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44. Drug mules don't have a specific look... that said... as expected
they riffled through my bags

Not only that but it used to be that Dallas you went through customs and all that jazz and staid in the sterile area

These days NOOOOOO... you have to go through TSA once again...

For the most part they are doing a thankless job and some agents are a pain, while others are very nice. My sis had the painful one, I had a very nice guy...


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Bush_MUST_Go Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:38 PM
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45. I see "security" questions are as STOOOPID as ever.
Do you always travel alone? "No, only when I'm planning a surprise terror attack."
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:40 PM
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46. THey are part of a profile question
and it is not a new one either

I had that asked of me over twenty years ago

It partly depends where you are coming from
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:05 PM
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55. Now that answer is guaranteed to send you to secondary
inspection. Do not pass go, do not collect $200 worthless dollars. :rofl:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #55
60. no kidding! Enjoy airport jail! I keep my mouth shut at the airport, all of them
in this country and overseas.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:03 PM
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53. the passport agent in Frankfort gave me kind of a hard time and he was uber creepy.
the cutoms agent at O'hare was a chatty patty, all the agents where zipping through their lines, oh not mine, he asked me a bunch of questions and then finally stamped us in.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:07 PM
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56. To be honest
most of the German border agents are creepy. They never smile, they just look at your documents, look at you, perhaps ask a brief question, then loudly stamp your passport and wave you though. I've never had a problem, I say that now and I may jinx myself on the return! :hi:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:19 PM
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57. ok this is what happened and since you've been there you know how the airport operates
i'm sure there is a method to their madness--i hope.

Ok so we're flying in from Prague on Lufthansa and we don't pull up to a proper gate, it's one of those halfway deals where they bring over the big stairs ala Elvis in Hawaii? So we get off the plane and on to the shuttle bus thing and they bring us to the terminal, getting to the gate was something out of the amazing race, i swear to god we walked and walked and then ran and then down 8 flights of stairs and then ran some more and then up flights of stairs--no kidding. Finally we get to "Passport control" now my husband travels all the time so he breezes right on through, my 13 year old is next, no problem and then me.

Ok so i give him my passport and boarding pass "Yah, where are you coming from?" "from the Czech republic" "Yah, what were you doing there" "Just there on vacation" "Yah, how long did you stay?" "5 days" "Yah, where are you going now?" "To Chicago" "Yah, why did you not stay in Germany?" "Oh i would have loved to if we had more time" "Yah, maybe next time you come back here and stay" "Um, sure i'd love to visit some time" "Yah, where are you going after Chicago?" "To California" "Yah, why are you going there?" "I live there" "Yah.........for how long?" "For 8 years" "Yah........................................................ok, you can go now",

I swear to god i thought he was going to keep me so i would miss my flight and because it took so long to get to the area i had about 25 minutes to spare.

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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:29 PM
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61. Fraport is the WORST flipping airport on the planet
next to Heathrow. They both should be imploded and built anew. I had plenty of time for my connection at FRA, but missed the turn arrow on the sign that told me gate 52 was USPTAIRS on another level, of course this was not made apparent until I had walked all the way out on Concourse A to gate number 36. :mad:

That's weird, a chatty German customs agent, definitely an anomaly. :rofl:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:32 PM
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65. lol!! Heathrow this time was ok even with the clusterfucky terminal 5-The Horror!
but the last time we went to London my husband and daughter go through security no problem, i'm holding the passports and they fucking flag me out of line and do the whole deal, the wand, the shoes and the old rub down and that was the only time i spoke up "Hey if your gonna feel me up you could at least buy me dinner first, huh" and she giggled.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:36 PM
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68. Oh we heard about that nightmare
They better get their act together, in June I fly through LHR to US again. :headbang:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:38 PM
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70. when we left Prague the last report i heard on the bbc was over 60k bags in "storage"
and they plan on having another hugh terminal done and online for the 2012 Olympics, good luck with that!
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:39 PM
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71. I heard that they shipped the bags to ITALY when the
clusterfuck happened, so the Italians could get them back to their rightful owners.

Sorry, that just made us :rofl:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:41 PM
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73. i bet they had to, it was a mess, thank god i wasn't flying on BA, i flew out of terminal 1
on bmi to Edinburgh, it was like a ghost town which was good.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:54 PM
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77. Guess people don't like the
idea of flaming Jeeps entering the building?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:56 PM
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79. Edinburgh was sweet, no problems at all and the luggage, first on the belt
woohoo, "We're coming back here!" .
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:10 PM
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88. I cannot count how many times I was given the extra once-over at Heathrow.
Always when I was traveling with babies/toddlers.

I assumed that I fit some profile, but it was a PITA to keep on top of the kids while my luggage was examined thoroughly.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:21 PM
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58. I had a 9 hour layover in Frankfort..
I normally travel in jeans and my boots. I went through security to get to my connecting flight's terminal. The guard there was in my mind totally Teutonic. Full uniform, stiff, Aryan and humorless. I had visions of a bit player in Hogan's Heroes as one of Sgt Schultz's squad. I get settled in for the wait with Al Franken's new book. Then I got hungry so I had to go back through security to get to the good restaurant in the main terminal. On the way back, after I'd stripped off my handmade belt and Olathe boots again, the Aryan dude cracked a smile and said "Nice buuts. You cowboy?" I laughed and said not anymore, just wear the clothes. He laughed and put a sticker on my passport so I could skate through that security point. Just one of the people I met there who made a long layover very enjoyable.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:25 PM
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59. very creepy, i had no problems at heathrow which is funny because i was there
during the "Terminal 5 disaster!!" and the Prague airport was fine, a tad post soviet era prison like feel but no problem, even Edinburgh which has the cops with giant guns was a pleasant experience compared to Frankfort. I'd still go back though.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:36 PM
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67. The other reason I enjoyed the layover was...
I met two mid-sixties ladies from Belgium who'd just been to Italy (as had I) and we talked for over an hour about Italy, their country and mine. Then I met a Brazilian guy who was going home from college in Austria. He'd worked at DisneyWorld for 2 years and we talked about Orlando. I also met an older couple from Iowa heading to Italy and gave them tips on how to get around. Franfort airport is a crossroads for the world. Despite wanting to get home from a long week, my long layover turned out to be a pleasant experience.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:30 PM
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62. I'd answer (if it were a man) "What do you have in mind?"
That might shut him up.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:31 PM
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63. No then they'd throw me in secondary for propositioning an
officer of the law. :rofl:
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:32 PM
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64. Nothing new..happened to me 20 years ago
Spent a week with a friends at a time share in St. Maarten. We were all traveling to separate cities going home. Went thru customs in Puerto Rico. I was pulled out of line, was asked to claim my baggage and had my baggage searched. Of the entire plane load I was on, only about 4 of of the other travelers had their baggage checked. When I was asked why I was selected for a baggabe search I was told it was because I was a female traveling alone. Of course at that time there was no terra, terra, terra.
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:37 PM
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69. So it's ok to profile women?
I thought profiling was wrong.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:41 PM
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72. No, but this question is not new, nor is the practice
it has been ongoing for decades

By the way I HATE US Customs and IMMIGRATION at Toronto International, in my view they are the WORST
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:44 PM
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74. Philly is starting to rank right up there too
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:44 PM by 48percenter
I've flown into most of the major airports on the East Coast over the years, EWR, BOS, BWI, IAD, DCA, CLT, MIA

The worst ones I've ever experienced: MIAMI, hands down THE worst, and then PHL is coming up close second, and this is my hometown, it really steams me. :mad:

I can't wait to fly to ATL in July. :(
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:50 PM
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76. O'Hare, SFO, SMF and Logan are in my experience some of the worst.
i fly out of Scaramento when i fly domestically and they go through your travel sized crap thats already bagged up er their specification and they they take it all up and just throw it all back in tha bag, at sfo which we fly out of when we go overseas it's the exact opposite but the lines are HUGH! and the agents are super grumpy which i don't blame them due to sheer volume of passangers. O'Hare ust enrages me, we fly united because my husband has a bazillion miles and O'Hare is the hub.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:56 PM
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78. ORD is a clusterfuck
Everytime I've had the pleasure of flying through there, something is delayed.

Well, pretty soon the price of tickets will put an end to the madness, no one will be able to afford to fly anymore.

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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:13 PM
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91. I HATE going through O'Hare!
Talk about NAZIS.

BHN
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:13 PM
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90. My worst recent airport experience was in Roanoke, VA.
No-one would even respond to our questions as we were trying to make a flight with no help from the screeners. In fact, I'm pretty sure they were slowing us down just for laughs.
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:12 PM
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89. Really? Are they awful when you're coming into the U.S.?
I haven't been there in a long time, but I consider flying there, since Toronto isn't too far from my hometown of Buffalo.

Should I skip that international hop?
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:46 PM
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75. LOL Look at the ads at the bottom of the threads. n/t
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:57 AM
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80. I can't see them
I have a donor star. What do they say? We're coming to GITCHA??
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:29 AM
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82. I've been asked some odd questions by customs before
The weirdest was how to spell the city I was born in. I found this odd because all it says on my passport is California, USA for place of birth. :shrug:

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:18 PM
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85. that customs officer is way over the line, that is none of his business
if a person decides to travel alone, but then again, this is Bush's Amerika.
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