Police raid suspected meth house, only find fish tank

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=509182

Police raid suspected meth house, only find fish tank


Brooklyn Park police were looking for a meth lab, but they found a fish tank and the chemicals needed to maintain it.

And a few hours later, when the city sent a contractor to fix the door the police had smashed open Monday afternoon, it was obvious the city was trying to fix a mistake.
It happened while Kathy Adams was sleeping.

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"From a cursory view, it doesn't look like our officers did anything wrong," said Capt. Greg Roehl.

Roehl said the drug task force was acting on a tip from a subcontractor for CenterPoint Energy, who had been in the home Friday to install a hot water heater.

That doesn't seem a very wise policy.

Sorry, the idiot who caused this problem should pay for the damage and lose the job. Someone somewhere has got to stop the insanity.

I have no idea if he was acting in good faith or not.

But the cops should have a responsibility to actually verify tips before acting on them.

We have a serious problem in this country with rogue snitches and cops and prosecutors who live off them. Mainly because of the war on drugs.

I recommend Ethan Brown's "Snitch" to anyone who is interested.

In this case, I would sue the hell out of that contractor, as well as the cops.

Seems like plenty of blame to go around here:

The snitch contractor

The narc squad cop who thought the snitch's report was enough to seek a warrant.

The judge who signed the piece of shit warrant.

The gung-ho cops who kick down doors and roust people out of bed on a routine basis.

Fuck 'em all.

she eventually did time for extortion but only after almost two decades of making life hell for anyone who had the bad luck to be even casually acquainted with her

she may have a mental illness, for sure, she was a drug addict and a sociopath, and a big form of entertainment for her was to call the authorities on someone and then "watch what happens," and i mean she told me this herself

and i'm not talking just the DEA, altho i had the DEA called on me and i assume it was her, i know for a fact that anyone she knew with small kids was eventually reported to CPS, hilarity ensues

informers and snitches are usually addicts and they are extremely destructive people who have something wrong with them, they like to cause trouble to amuse themselves and in hopes of getting a reward or bonus

they should not be tolerated in polite society

the man who reported this family for having a FISH TANK knew what he was doing and he knew it was evil, he probably whacked off multiple times at his fantasy of having this family in handcuffs and maybe in jail

he should be fired from his job and NEVER AGAIN allowed to work in a job where he goes into people's homes

Once when my little brother was washing dishes, a huge batch, he got lazy and starting singing out, "someone please help me, someone please help me do the dishes". He was saying it over and over. Then a team of police raided our house, because someone thought there was a crime going on. The police searched the house and the basement. Unbelievable.

This was years ago... My younger brother used to do a drop-dead impression of Mr T, from the old A-team TV show. My parents had just bought their first phone answering machine. My brother thought the outgoing message was really lame, so he recorded a new one: " This is Mr T. The *'s are tied up right now, if you want to hear back from them you betta leave your message, fool." OK, one afternoon everyone was gone except 16 yo little sister, who was taking a nap. An out of town business acquaintence called and got the answering machine. Hearing the message, and having no idea who Mr T was, he called his local police, who called our local police, who showed up with multiple squad cars, SWAT team, etc. They awoke little sister when they smashed the door down, and wanted to know where the kidnappers were. Sister had no idea of what they were talking about, so they put her in a squad car and were searching the house and property. Parents arrived home about then, and my father put 2 and 2 together and took police to the answering machine and played the outgoing message my little brother recorded. We all thought it was hysterical, the police weren't so amused.

Boy those wacky kids.

....they could've grabbed a dish towel and helped.
Otherwise its a wasted trip.

Yes, the neocons Brave New World is actually the USSR with the KGB large and in charge. Creates that fear they so love in the populace. Makes the one-fodder-units very controllable. Has the added benefit of giving small, petty and un-informed people who are attracted to and worship power, a sense of a life with meaning and purpose with extra vicarious thrills, by informing on their fellow citizens.

Because the raiding of a meth lab is meaningless, a drop in the bucket in the larger scheme of things. Inculcating a sense of fear, based upon the widespread knowledge that heavily-armed and combat-equipped people, in platoon strength, could kick in your door at any time and for any reason or no reason at all...well, that's useful in controlling the overall populace. Very useful indeed.

Nothing says "Accede to Your Government" like staring into the barrel of a Heckler-Koch MP5 or an M4.

I've yet to hear a major Dem oppose the police state or the Drug War.

Has Hillary or Barak addressed this issue? Answer = no, and they never will.

They both support it.

:(

:crazy:

meth labs are not a thing to mess around with-I will assume the person that reported a possible meth lab did so in good faith.

http://www.mappsd.org/Meth%20Ingredients.htm

Some Common Meth Ingredients

Alcohol -
Gasoline additives/Rubbing Alcohol
Ether (starting fluid)
Benzene
Paint thinner
Freon
Acetone
Chloroform
Camp stove fuel
Anhydrous ammonia
White gasoline
Pheynl-2-Propane
Phenylacetone
Phenylpropanolamine
Rock, table or Epsom salt Red Phosphorous
Toluene (found in brake cleaner)
Red Devil Lye
Drain cleaner
Muraitic acid
Battery acid
Lithium from batteries
Sodium metal
Ephedrine
Cold tablets
Diet aids
Iodine
Bronchodialators
Energy boosters
Iodine crystals

Lab equipment - including tubing, unmarked Mason jars with tubes attached, stained coffee filters, 2-liter pop bottles, blenders, camera batteries, wooden matches, propane cylinders and hot plates - are tip offs to the production of Meth.

Individually, each product is legal and useful. But when mixed together and processed, the results are deadly - to the producer, user and innocent bystanders.

Here are a few stories compiled for those interested in the problems associated with former meth lab homes and the hazmat conditions left behind for unsuspecting new tenants (buyers/renters)

http://2stopmeth.org/_global/?q=node/14

I've never cooked meth nor have any desire to do so..

But I have at least 1/3 of those items in my home or basement shop where I make my living.

Whatever happened to "investigation". The real shitter of it is, a lot of the things you have in your shop could also be considered bomb making material. It all depends on what they want to nail you with.

Absolutely.. It's easy to make an explosive with just two very common acids and anything cellulose based..

I could make a bomb from a cotton tee shirt, bed sheet or pair of jeans.

Then there are two other easily obtainable substances which can be mixed together to make a very touchy high explosive, the kind you could detonate from a distance by just shooting it with a 22 rifle..

I've known this stuff since about 1965 or so..

I have tons of canning jars for (big surprise here) canning. I have a number of other things on that list, too, I suppose the next time I whip up a batch of soap I can expect my door to be busted in, too.

Welcome to the Fascist States of Amerika.

some bogus complaint, ain't it?

Alcohol for cleaning electronics, rubbing alcohol for cleaning garden tools, paint thinner for cleaning paint brushes, acetone cause it's a generally useful solvent, lithium batteries for running various battery-powered things, camp stove fuel and white gas for camping, cold tablets for colds, a large amount of salt for dying, tubing for the drip irrigation system, wooden matches again for camping, Mason jars for canning, blender and hot plate for general kitchen use ...Although if I knew someone who had large amounts of sodium metal around the house I'd be rather nervous - that stuff's dangerous.

I once counted the different white and off-white powders I have in and around the house. It was over 20: those flours and baking ingredients add up.

They came because my hard line exile neighbors reported that I support the Cuban revolution.

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like this contractor in the story, and meter readers and repairmen, to look for criminal activity and report it. I have a friend who is on an email alert list and forwards me their emails. They just had a new round of training here and were recruiting interested parties.

Many people aren't aware of this and live under the delusion that since they have nothing to hide it can't happen to them.

we really aren't living in a free country anymore. :cry:

And there is no question, we are as free as any Chinese or Russian citizen.

As to being turning in by our Gestapo friends who masquerade now as our repair people, there can be no question that the Bushies are instituting Soviet and Nazi policies on spying on neighbors all around this country.

Without the violence. The key to the Bushies reselling "kinder and gentler" Nazism is not being violent...yet.

In either case, this just provides another example that repair people are to be treated as Agents of a Tyrannical State and State Spies.

Our nation, like Nazi Germany before it, is galvanizing the 30% crazed by propaganda to do evcil with the "permission of the authorities".

And there is absolutely no better way that to make regular, ordinary, yes even decent, people do evil things, by having authority "give them permissions".

Well, our tyrannical rulers are giving out permissions like crazy, and militarizing as well as Nazifying our executive branch and the whole of the national appartus.

Just remember, we are rapidly approaching a time when the Bushies are going to get 'round to their Penultimate and Final Solutions. I'd like to think that will occur AFTER the reign of the already-selected Emperor McCain, and that McBush will give s a "rest" from our relentless march towards totalitarianism.

But listening to McBush these days, I somehow doubt it. McBush will bring us evil, full speeed ahead.

The only training utility companies have had is Incident Command System class so they'll know how to work in conjunction with fire and police and how to operate under ICS and NIMS (National Incident Management System). There wasn't any training on how to turn your neighbors in.


David

Like I said, a friend forwarded the emails. I have another friend who is a cop and he say it's going on in his area too.

The states have been educating people about meth labs for a while now and have been encouraging the people that they train to report suspicious activity based upon their training. There are no Homeland Security classes that have involved private utility companies other than NIMS and ICS and those 2 classes haven't included training on reporting suspicious activity. My guess would be that this was a program at the state level.

David

I had over 220 training hours last year. I have had every state and federally mandated course for 1st Responders over the last 8 years and this information wasn't there. There may be trainers locally throwing their own agenda into training but it's not coming from DHS.

David

If the link doesnt work google fire chiefs DHS spying http://www.alternet.org/rights/77331/
From another Fire/Medic Dave
Engine 2
The big Deuce
First in, Last out

I personally would sue the utility company and see if that got anywhere.

David

Training for firefighters
http://groups.google.com/group/TheGlobalTimes/browse_thread/thread/fce3a00f3b5fdb59

I'll see what I can find on utility employees training.

This is common sense stuff.


David

Well, that used to be common sense.

When you call 911 and say you have a medical problem, we are invited guests in your house. If there is obvious illegal activity going on we are duty bound to report it especially if children are being placed in danger. I think reporting someone with huge amounts of illegal weapons is common sense. If I go into a house full of RPG's I'm calling someone. I'll let the courts hash out whether or not someone's right were violated. That is the reason that firefighters receive very little police type training is so lawyers can't say we were acting as agents of the police when we report something. So if you are worried about your privacy you probably shouldn't call 911.

David

and having people come in your house and spy on you.

What if someone calls 911 I respond and am treating a patient and look up and see a white board with the title University Murder Suicide Plot with detailed drawings on how it's going to go down and a pile of weapons underneath the white board. Should I just lock the door on my way out and not call anyone. Of course I'd tell my wife not to go to school the next day but other than that just let it go down. I think the plain sight exception would apply to firefighters just like police. Now if I wander through the house and break down a locked door and break into a file cabinet to find incriminating information then that would be wrong and it will all get tossed anyway. Like I said it a fine line. But if it was your kids day care next door to a meth lab, I'm guessing you would want me to call it in.

David

This isn't about you being called to help. It's you being used as a police officer to report possible crimes.

State law says I must report suspected child abuse which a meth lab with children in the home would fall under. So I'm just doing my civic duty by reporting plots of mass murder if I come across them. Just like I would try to stop someone who was stealing an old womens purse. So I do get it. If you have a small bag of weed on your dresser I'm not going to say a word. If you have a bunch of lines of coke on a mirror with kids wandering around, I'm calling the cops.

David

I am a teacher and I don't spy on parents. Other than having to report child abuse, I generally mind my own business. But I can't say the same for my colleagues. If a kid comes to school and talks about Mom and/or Dad and/or big brother smoking pot, I know teachers who would call the cops ASAP.

But this isn't about that. It's about the government teaching workers like you who are in our homes to look for criminal activity. That is WRONG.

Here, someone just posted this link: http://www.progressive.org/mag_rothschild0308

I've been trained to recognize signs of abuse and neglect and been trained that according to state law I must report it. If I come across a plot to murder large numbers of high school students in the course of my work as a paramedic should I report it? Please answer that simple question.

David

that have nothing to do with the topic. You and I both know you are a mandated child abuse reporter so NOT reporting this plot would be a violation of the law and you could lose your job.

Now, the topic is - is it okay for Homeland Security to train non law enforcement workers to be on the lookout for criminal activity? First you denied it happened, then several of us posted links proving there are indeed programs in place. SO do you agree or disagree with this training?

You said the training was going on in your area. I asked you twice what training you were referring to. Other people posted about a program that had been scrapped by congress and about a test program in NY. I still don't know what training you are referring to that is going on in your area. Without knowing what training you are talking about I can't answer your question. Is the training about recognizing weapons of mass destruction? If so that's fine by me. Is the training about how to get around the constitution and use your powers as a private citizen to circumvent anothers right against unreasonable search and seizure? If so I'll fight it tooth and nail. So what if it weren't a plot for a mass murder at a high school but a college? No law is binding me to report it, should I go ahead and report it. I hope that cleared things up.

David

I came home from an evening outing to find a police car parked in front of my house, and a cop in the front yard, peering into my window.

I was growing orchids under lights.
I guess the dude just liked looking at flowers.

backstabbing their customers, who they have less than ZERO loyalty to. I wonder if the subcontractor was "offshore". Maybe that company needs an IRS audit. Because they're projecting criminal intent onto thier customers, perhaps that projection means something about themselves, instead.

"Energy"
"probable cause"
biting the dust.

...InfraGard?

The FBI Deputizes Business

Report: Over 23,000 Business Leaders Working With FBI and Homeland Security

are now spying on us?

Welcome to Bush's America.

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