Resolved: *Some* young heirs to the past & ongoing battles for Equality don't appreciate

much less KNOW, the history of what they're enjoying.

I'm well aware that I sound like an old fart complaining about young people, AND that somewhere there is extant a 2,000+ yr old quote from the Greeks complaining about how the latest generation is decadent and ignorant.


Both my parents worked outside the home, but my mother was the driving force, and I came along ten years after my two sisters, so they were already strong individuals, and therefore strong women were natural to me.

The feminist '70s were likewise natural to me, and a couple of the available women candidates received some of my first votes, not because they were women, but because they were Democrats and were the best candidates.


In the workplace, I, a male, supposedly a member of an oppressing group, actually was the one who "knew my place" and "waited my turn." It took me extra time for me to work my way up. And when I did, I hired the first women into the type of job we were doing.

Well, it turned into the late '80s and early '90s, with the renewed or renamed "networking" and the young women I hired soon saw me as a fuddy duddy. They "networked" their ways into my bosses' graces (and sexual affairs), and got on a very fast track.

I hired them because they were intelligent, outspoken or rather forthright (it seemed), and had potential.

Once they became my peers (not through the most diligent of work), they decided that they were forming "the Old Girls' Network" to parallel "the Old Boys' Network" and they somehow saw me as one of the Bad Old Boys, and that they would wield power AGAINST others, specifically some males, from their seeing themselves as feminist PIONEERS and CHAMPIONS (which they were not). Of course I didn't tell them about my mother and sisters and my votes and my own groundbreaking FOR THEM at the workplace. Nor did I tell them the dudes they were fucking at the workplace WERE the Bad Old Boys.



Different minority groups can be plugged into this fable. In 2000 I argued with Hispanic college kids who were parroting the "no difference" line and who voted for you-know-who, oblivious of their Hispanic-Democratic roots.


O.K., why am I going to get flamed over this?!

it saddens me to see how many young women have absolutely no idea what it took to allow them to be where they are today.

hbo is running "iron-jawed angels" this week, a film that I think should be mandatory viewing.

power and respect, it's too easy to let it go to your head, regardless of gender. I could see the same thing happening if you'd hired young men.

But it disturbs me, nonetheless. I don't think you're reading into it. Sigh.

After nine years of not having seen each other, I was "a blast from the past."


What is it I'm reading or not reading into it? (I'm asking sincerely.)

just that it was their own egos that got them thinking they were better than they were. And that it happens regardless of gender. I think you give them too much credit (if that's the right word here) when you attribute their behavior to an altruistic desire to further womens' rights.

And I was thinking the same thing, about they WEREN'T the pioneers as I was reading your post. A lot had gone on before them, but there were still a lot of hurdles and old thinking to overcome.

I think YOU are more a feminist than they. :headbang:

proud that you decided to move forward. As for other's behavior. That's just to bad that your wisdom has fallen on deaf ears.... They will have to figure it out the hard way.

They usually begin their sentences with..."I'm not a feminist, but..." or "I've never 'suffered' discrimination because I'm a women, so therefore you couldn't possibly have...", etc.

Many women are just fine with maintaining the status quo; so long as they are the ones with the status. They have little problem with the dynamics of power, so long as they are the ones wielding the power. For them, all that's really wrong with the world is that "men" are in power and they want it for themselves. They would replace authoritarian patriarchy with authoritarian matriarchy. Naomi Wolf promoted some of these "ideals" during the 90s. Seems she learned that whole power trip is dangerous regardless of ones chromosomal makeup.

Needless to say, those feminists don't like me much more than I like them. Anyone who thinks "all feminists think alike", hasn't met or talked with very many feminists. LOL

I wonder how women who consider themselves liberated can talk in that strangulated voice that is epidemic (and transmitted by TV)

or a big bank balance or large house with being "liberated". Very sad.

Spoiled, rotten little girls walking around in women's bodies. Idiots come in all shapes, sizes, sexes, classes, etc.