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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:03 PM
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Thoughts on the Addington Torture Subpoena
Edited on Tue May-06-08 01:14 PM by Vyan

The Judiciary Committee has voted this morning to subpoena Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff David Addington to testify and explain the development of the administrations interrogation program.

Amazingly Addington has actually agreed to testify, as has John Yoo reversing his previous refusals.

Listening to the Vice-President's Chief of staff explain how Pouring water down someone throat isn't as bad as Forcing it down their throat - never mind the ensuing suffocation either way - should be a real popcorn moment.

More from Thinkprogress which discusses ongoing efforts to bring Doug Feith, George Tenet and John Ashcroft before the committee as well.

If this had happened last year before Stonewall-Gate basically stole every once of energy from the DOJ-purge investigation, I'd be a lot more optimistic.

The best we can hope for - assuming that Fred Fielding doesn't kneecap the process with executive priveledge claims - is that these hearing may force the congress to seriously reconsider the Military Commissions Act, restore Habeaus Corpus, dismantle Gitmo, end the Kangaroo Combatant Courts and remove the immunity for torturers who acted between 2001 and 2005.

The eyes of the world are watching, particularly when we held an al Jazeera journalist for 6 years without charges or trial...

Hajj is the only major mainstream news journalist ever to be held at prison. His supporters claimed that he was being held in retaliation for US anger over the Arabic television network.

The cameraman was never prosecuted. The US never published its allegations, but said in a hearing that Hajj was classified as an enemy combatant because he worked as executive secretary for a beverage company whose director allegedly aided Muslim forces in Bosnia and Chechnya. He was also suspected of transfering money to a charity the US labeled as terrorist, and had interviewed Bin Laden.

The man worked at the company where the director was suspected of helping Muslim forces in Bosnia? In Chechnya? Talk about Guilt by Association. He gave money to a charity? He interviewed Bin Laden? So did Peter Arnett of CNN.

But Hajj isn't the worst case, the truth needs to be told. Here's what Human Rights First said about Torture two years ago in it's report on Gitmo: Command Responsibility

Since August 2002, nearly 100 detainees have died while in the hands of U.S. officials in the global "war on terror." According to the U.S. military’s own classifications, 34 of these cases are suspected or confirmed homicides; Human Rights First has identified another 11 in which the facts suggest death as a result of physical abuse or harsh conditions of detention. In close to half the deaths Human Rights First surveyed, the cause of death remains officially undetermined or unannounced. Overall, eight people in U.S. custody were tortured to death.

Despite these numbers, four years since the first known death in U.S. custody, only 12 detainee deaths have resulted in punishment of any kind for any U.S. official. Of the 34 homicide cases so far identified by the military, investigators recommended criminal charges in fewer than two thirds, and charges were actually brought (based on decisions made by command) in less than half. While the CIA has been implicated in several deaths, not one CIA agent has faced a criminal charge. Crucially, among the worst cases in this list – those of detainees tortured to death – only half have resulted in punishment; the steepest sentence for anyone involved in a torture-related death: five months in jail.

The War Crimes Act, even after it received it's Bybee inspired downgrade, still considers torturing someone to death to be a Capital Offense. High level government officials who sanction U.S. policies which led to these deaths could be charged with Conspiracy and as accesseries to Murder.

That's a conspiracy that includes Yoo, Bybee, Gonzales, Addington, Cheney - and Bush.

In a way I almost wish they would wait until the next administration, because the more that Congress shows that these people are at criminal risk, the more likely they are to get pardoned as they sneak out the back door - and we really don't need that.

One Silver Lining: Bush can't pardon himself.



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Vyan

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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:06 PM
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1. They have until January to dispose of the evidence.
Go long on shredders
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:10 PM
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2. We saw "Taxi to the Dark Side" last night,
Edited on Tue May-06-08 01:11 PM by Blue_In_AK
which was an absolutely chilling movie. I am more convinced than ever that everyone involved with the "interrogation" program should be in prison. But one thing that particularly disturbed me was at the end of the film they showed a clip of Jack Cafferty saying that hidden deep within legislation passed after the Hamdan decision was language that absolved Bush and everyone in his administration from any responsibility for "war crimes." How could this possibly be? Is there any possibility that such a law could be rescinded after these criminals are out of office so that justice can be served? The thought that they may be immune from any prosecution for these acts sickens me.
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 01:17 PM
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3. That's true...
Edited on Tue May-06-08 01:22 PM by Vyan
it's part of the Military Commissions Act, which as I mention in the initial post, grants retroactive immunity for anyone who may have been involved in torture or "enhanced interrogation" between 2001 and 2005.

Vyan
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:45 PM
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4. I don't see why not.
I'm no legal expert, but if a person can be given retroactive immunity for a crime already committed, then why can't another law reverse it? Especially if it can be shown that the law giving retroactive immunity to for some of the most heinous crimes known to man was unconstitutional.
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:48 PM
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5. It can...
that's what we have to hope for, that the Military Commission Act is completely repealed under another administration.

Vyan
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:51 PM
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6. And it will be!
I am finally understanding the failure to impeach as frustrating as it may be.
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Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:12 PM
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7. was there a us citizen tortured? He/she would not be an alien and would not be covered under this ?
Is that not correct?

Is the premise not, as disgusting as it is, we can do it to alien enemy combatants. And as loosely as they defined "enemy" and "combatant" and alien is well defined.

It's all so disgusting I have a difficult time processing it, or even believing it really is happening in this day and time.

I feel like Sherman and Mr Peabody have stuck me in the "way back machine." Oh, Oh, now I've really dated myself.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:16 PM
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8. they will not recall very much, mark my words
Edited on Wed May-07-08 09:18 PM by spanone
rumsfeld got away with it, they will lie and obfuscate

i think that a world court would be above any 'local' laws
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:17 PM
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9. I don't believe Bush can preemptively pardon anyone just because they are being investigated
If they aren't charged with anything until after Janurary 20 I doubt that the next President will be in much of a mood to be handing out pardons to Republican criminals.
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