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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:02 PM
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Many of US Know the BFEE-how many of US know the DLC?
Edited on Thu May-08-08 03:04 PM by bobthedrummer
Just check in.

For those that haven't a clue here are a couple of threads for background.

"Know Your DLC: Mark Penn"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5515506

"Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic Leadership Council, etc."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2973191
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:10 PM
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1. K&R :) n/t
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:12 PM
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2. I always assume this is common knowledge -
I guess common knowledge, like common sense, is less than common.

So, K&R.
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ogsbee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:35 PM
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3. DLC = Repuke moles and their patsies
If anyone doesn't see that after the Republicans defunded their named candidate to help Lieberman, it's because they don't want to see the truth. The question for me is whether it's just the Republican party co-opting the Democratic party or is it actually the government itself co-opting all opposition. (Stalin: How do you deal with opposition? You lead it. Who needs communists when you have Republitrash.)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:47 PM
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4. check in








bobthedrummer cares about folks and the truth

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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:49 PM
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5. Uh-huh. nt
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:53 PM
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6. Who, me? Never heard of 'em.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:54 PM
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7. To know, know, know them is to hate, hate, hate them!
The PNAC wing of the Democratic Party. Long past time to clip that wing!
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ogsbee Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:23 PM
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8. Amen, time to take out the trash
Past time, actually.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:25 PM
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9. DLC Role in past elections:
I am convinced that the failure of the DLC to acknowledge Gore's win in 2000 (in fact they blame his "loss" on breaking with the DLC and becoming a populist-i'll post a link below) and their active role in keeping Kerry from challenging Ohio in 2004(thanks to Clinton ally James Carville (also posted below) was calculated as to allow a HRC run in '08. If either would have taken the office they won, then HRC and her corporate cronies would not have had a chance in 2008. Also look how they try to undermine Howard Dean. Anyway, here are some links:

FIRST..GORE BROKE WITH THE DLC TO BECOME A POPULIST:

Published on Sunday, August 20. 2000 in the Boston Globe
Thank You, Al Gore
by Robert Kuttner
A funny thing happened to Al Gore on the way to his surprisingly effective acceptance speech. He became a liberal.

The speech was as liberal as anything FDR or LBJ or Jesse Jackson or one of the Kennedys might have delivered. It was built around a commitment to fight for ordinary people, against large and powerful interests. This, of course, is precisely what made it effective.

The emotional heart of the speech, Gore's honoring of four ordinary American lives, did not just salute the struggles of workaday families, the way Ronald Reagan often did. It identified who was dishonoring their struggles - corporations. He singled out heartless HMOs who pressure a family to sacrifice a child; drug companies that force a pensioner to choose between food and medicine; corporate polluters; corporations that pay workers inadequate wages.

And he identified the solution: strong, reliable public Social Security; better Medicare; welfare reform that rewards work rather than punishing the needy; higher minimum wages; and more investment in public - not voucher - schools, so that working families don't have to send kids to crumbling classrooms.

What is the evil? Corporate power. What is the remedy? Effective government.

-snip
http://www.commondreams.org/views/082000-105.htm

SECOND, AFTER GORE'S WIN THEY BLAME HIS 'LOSS' ON BREAKING WITH THE DLC:

Strange Theory on Why Gore Lost



The so-called Democratic Leadership Council has decided that Al Gore should have acted more like a Republican in order to win the 2000 presidential electoral college vote in addition to his nationwide popular vote victory. This strange finding has drawn some attention, including coverage by the Associated Press and the Environmental News Service -- we have a few excerpts from their reports for you here.
Al Gore, the self-styled environmental candidate in the 2000 Presidential election, lost his bid for the White House because he campaigned on an outdated "populist" platform that was too liberal for most Americans, according to a new report drafted by the Democratic Leadership Council.

The 40-page report, titled "Why Gore Lost, And How Democrats Can Come Back," concludes that the Democratic Party must move towards the political right -- towards the Republicans -- if it wants to regain control of Congress in 2002 and the White House in 2004.

Al From, the DLC's founder and CEO, opened a freewheeling discussion forum by arguing that Democrat Al Gore made a huge tactical mistake by continually emphasizing that he would "fight for the people and not the powerful" as the nation's first president of the 21st Century.

-snip

http://www.progress.org/goredlc2.htm

AND FINALLY, CLINTON ALLY JAMES CARVILLE'S ROLE IN THE QUICK KERRY CONCESSION:

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)


By M.J. Rosenberg | bio




On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

-snip

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

-snip

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

RESEARCH THIS FOR YOURSELVES, BEFORE YOU CAST A VOTE FOR ANY DLC CANDIDATE!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:48 PM
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11. Thanks! I'm going to bookmark...
for later reading. Looks interesting.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:26 PM
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10. DLC Connections to PNAC (neocons):
Al From is founder and chief executive officer of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), a dynamic idea action center of the "Third Way" governing philosophy that is reshaping progressive politics in the United States and around the globe. He is also chairman of the Third Way Foundation and publisher of the DLC's flagship bi-monthly magazine, Blueprint: Ideas for a New Century.

As a founder of the DLC -- birthplace of the New Democrat movement and the Third Way in America -- and its companion think tank, the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI), From leads a national movement that since the mid-1980s has provided both the action agenda and the ideas for New Democrats to successfully challenge the conventional political wisdom in America and, in the process, redefine the center of the Democratic Party.

-snip

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=86&subid=191&contentid=1131



Will Marshall, the head of PPI signed PNAC letters.
(Called "Bill Clinton's idea mill," the Progressive Policy Institute was responsible for many of the Clinton administration's initiatives...)
Starting right after 9/11.
***************************
Along with such neocon stalwarts as Robert Kagan, Bruce Jackson, Joshua Muravchik, James Woolsey, and Eliot Cohen, a half-dozen Democrats were among the 23 individuals who signed PNAC's first letter on post-war Iraq. Among the Democrats were Ivo Daalder of the Brookings Institution and a member of Clinton's National Security Council staff; Martin Indyk, Clinton's ambassador to Israel; Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute and Democratic Leadership Council; Dennis Ross, Clinton's top adviser on the Israel-Palestinian negotiations; and James Steinberg, Clinton's deputy national security adviser and head of foreign policy studies at Brookings.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0522-10.htm

More about Will Marshall
Note the PNAC link to the left.
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1295

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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:12 PM
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12. K&R n/t
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:16 PM
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13. With the sinking of the Hilltanic, we are hopefully free from the influence of these rat bastards.
But shaking these people is like trying to run away from a monster in a horror movie, just when you think it's safe...
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siligut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:44 PM
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14. Thank you for keeping up with them.
They are like a virus, always mutating.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:46 PM
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15. kick
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 03:12 PM
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16. .
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