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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:04 AM
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Churches to put their tax status on the line for the GOP?
Churches to put their tax status on the line for the GOP?
Posted May 9th, 2008 at 1:20 pm



Federal tax law, as it relates to tax-exempt religious ministries, is pretty clear — houses of worship may not legally intervene in political campaigns, either in support of or opposition to a candidate or a party. Those who violate the law run the risk of losing their tax-exempt status. With some regularity, the IRS reminds houses of worship about this, warning them about the dangers of ignoring the law.

A far-right group in Arizona, however, has an idea: conservative churches should ignore the law — and in the process, test the law — on purpose.

A conservative legal-advocacy group is enlisting ministers to use their pulpits to preach about election candidates this September, defying a tax law that bars churches from engaging in politics.

Alliance Defense Fund, a Scottsdale, Ariz., nonprofit, is hoping at least one sermon will prompt the Internal Revenue Service to investigate, sparking a court battle that could get the tax provision declared unconstitutional. Alliance lawyers represent churches in disputes with the IRS over alleged partisan activity.

The action marks the latest attempt by a conservative organization to help clergy harness their congregations to sway elections. The protest is scheduled for Sunday, Sept. 28, a little more than a month before the general election, in a year when religious concerns and preachers have been a regular part of the political debate.


In other words, the Alliance Defense Fund wants these churches to commit an act of civil disobedience. According to the WSJ report, ADF hoped to find as many as 50 ministries to take part in the project, and the group has heard from about 80 ministers who expressed interest in participating.

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http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15487.html
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Doug.Goodall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:09 AM
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1. It is not a matter of the law (or science); it is a matter of faith
God will provide for us, and if the Republicans get elected, the Republicans will cover our asses allowing us to intervene in politics again and again.

The church and the state are only separated when the Republicans don't like who is on the pulpit.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 07:15 AM
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2. True.
They harassed that liberal church for two years and quietly dropped the "investigation".

Now, the leaders in "having plans and ideas" :sarcasm: have co-opted another liberal idea and bastardized it to fit their own narrow agenda: protest will now be used to maintain power for the powerful.

What a bunch of tools.


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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:00 AM
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3. I hope this practice is stopped by SCOTUS
but I'm not holding my breath. However, I hope that the justices see the broader picture in this--if they uphold the right of "Christian" churches to be politically active, that means they have to give that same right to other religious groups--unless they declare this a "Christian" nation, and then the Constitution is dead anyway.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:19 AM
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4. If the unions have to pay taxes then the churches should too...
They both collect money from their members(Dues or Tithes)and both types of organizations support politicians, that "not all their cash contributing members support."

The unions usually support democrats, so they have to pay taxes, thanks to the GOP dominated congress.

The Churches support republicans, so, thanks to the same GOP dominated congress, they are STILL tax exempt, even though the churches do the exact same thing the unions do, when it comes to money and politics.

tithe, –noun 1. Sometimes, tithes. the tenth part of agricultural produce or personal income set apart as an offering to God or for works of mercy, or the same amount regarded as an obligation or tax for the support of the church, priesthood, or the like.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Tithes

dues, –noun 8. Usually, dues. a regular fee or charge payable at specific intervals, esp. to a group or organization: membership dues.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dues
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:55 AM
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6. This was my first thought also!
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:39 AM
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5. This is not even civil disobedience
if you define that term as defying what you believe to be an unjust law in order to draw attention to it and push for change. This law was not forced on churches..they explicitly accepted the constraint on partisan politicking when they voluntarily accepted tax-exempt status, so they cannot claim that their treatment is unjust. Tax-exempt status is not a constitutional right for churches or any other organizations; it is granted only with the agreement that it comes with certain restrictions. If churches want to endorse candidates, they are perfectly free to do so, if they also give up their tax-exempt status, as some religious organizations have done.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:36 AM
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8. to be more precise, it's the tax filing that's the act of civil disobedience
you're right, if they engage in political speech and then pay taxes, there's nothing controversial or interesting about it.
the political speech itself isn't an issue, it's only the announced intention and then the eventual act of filing for tax-exempt status after having engaged in political speech that's the act of "civil disobedience".

doesn't make for as much drama that way, though, so they gloss over that point....
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:03 AM
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7. lets nail them to a cross
oh wait
they might like that
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