Woman needs green card to get UPS package

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"MIAMI — A UPS envelope destined for South Florida is sitting in a warehouse in Louisville, Ky., instead threatening to set off an international dispute that touches on both immigration and national security.

Cristina Bustos, 33, of Bonita Springs said relatives in Monterrey, Mexico, shipped her the envelope in late March. It contains the birth certificates of two relatives living in Florida who want to apply for their Mexican passports at the consulate in South Miami, she said.

The envelope never arrived. Bustos said she received a voice-mail message from a UPS employee in Louisville telling her that it was being detained there. The reason: It contains official identification documents from another country, and she needs to identify herself further before receiving them.

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Bustos said she has lived in the United States for 15 years, became a legal resident and received her green card in 2002..."

More: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/search/content/local_news/epaper/2008/05/07/m1a_ups_0507.html

re Bustos said she has lived in the United States for 15 years, became a legal resident and received her green card in 2002..."

So why not just show the card and get her mail? End of problem.

And quite a large & FASCINATING pile it is, ItellyaWhut! :eyes:

Stereotype much? I see you can't answer the question so you make a slight
against WV and add a cabal flair to it. Let me guess...you are anti-Hillary too.

Not surprised a bit.

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Bustos (and many others) do see the problem. Why does she need to show ID to pick up a package? Is there a federal law requiring it or is this just DHS (ICE) stepping over privacy in the name of security? How does anyone know the contents other than the sender? Is international mail automatically screened now?

In fact, I have had the DEA refuse to deliver my packages from abroad.

Do you really want UPS giving your packages to anyone without ID?

Are international birth certificates contraband in the U.S. now? If the government wants to stop the delivery, have them notify the intended recipient and ask for ID. It's be nice to attach the statute covering the detention of documents along with that notice.

As for UPS delivering packages to anyone without an ID, they do it all the time. Had they simply delivered the package to the woman's address they wouldn't have bother to check anything other than the address unless the sender required a signature release.

Helps ensure I'm me and not somebody trying to pretend I'm me. :think:

There are two sides to this issue, and I don't think there's a problem. If I was in another country, I'd expect similar treatment.

I get international mail too. So what?

i don't want a world where anyone can with simple use of MY name can be picking up international packages full of identity documents, drugs, god knows what

yes i would expect someone using my name to provide certain proof of who they are -- i would expect to show ID in other words -- rather than having other people take off with my packages

i've actually had other people claim my packages so i think the ID requirement is a good one for theft/loss prevention reasons alone

UPS held the package automatically thanks to the ICE post 9/11 rules. This isn't about protecting her package, it's demanding proof that of identity because ICE opened the package and inspected the documents. Do they demand proof of ID when someone gets birth certificates from Russia or Ireland, or is this just treatment reserved for Mexican documents? Note that the article includes reference to a long standing international agreement on mail movement between the two countries.

It sure looks like harassment based on national origin and I'm glad the woman objected. Now it's up to the courts to decide whether it is overboard.

As I wrote in my previous post, if you don't have a problem with it, good for you and others like you --- you are free to show ID or comply with any other such requests whenever you want and not be concerned. That doesn't mean that the policy isn't needlessly invasive.

if she weren't here legally, she wouldn't be able to pick up things that belong to her?

Wow.

What is the problem? That is better than having someone that is not you picking up and stealing your package. What is your problem with it?

And I don't have to show ID.

Besides, they are asking for her green card, not her ID.

I wonder, if this was the Duggar baby poppin' machine, if someone said IUD, what might the responses be...

It looks like an effort to call her out for being an immigrant.

UPS has no reason to be worried about delivering a package even to an illegal alien.

Silliness aside, the issue of security does transcend some old creepy geezer who wouldn't know a shaving razor if it knocked on the front door of his cave.

That's why offshoring certain items and data should be deemed a national security issue; and I'm assuming such things haven't, but I haven't exactly looked around lately either...

And yes, I have a problem with this. Someone must have tipped of Homeland Security.

sometimes i have to ask myself, just what do people want? out of one side of the mouth we demand to know why our ports/airports are insecure and why packages can be flown in internationally without being searched

then, when a package is searched, we bitch about that

sorry, we can't have it both ways

for the record, i've had packages searched in the 1990s long before the excuse of "international" terror and somehow i managed to survive the trauma of having customs send me a nasty note to that effect (the items -- legal drugs and lotions -- were later released to me)

either we think our borders are worth securing or we don't, either we think it's possible for bombs to be sent thru the mail or we don't, either we believe port/airport cargo handlers are worthy of having a reasonably safe work environment or we don't

i would hope that homeland security wouldn't need a "tip" to be checking out packages that cross international borders, i don't think customs or the DEA waits for such "tips"

thatd be my guess..
i dont think this is a policy to be mean to people... rather protect peoples identies n make sure someones not creating one for themselves illegally in the country...

still...
what a hassle, kinda silly