are there really any DUers that plan to vote for mccain in the GE if....

...their favorite dem isn't the nominee?

someone made a reference to these people in another thread but i can't believe any exist. if you're a DUer that would vote for mccain if your favorite dem isn't the nominee (or if you don't like either hillary or obama) please identify yourself in this thread.

... if you are going to vote for McCain, I wouldn't be telling anyone here.

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how many Obama supporters would vote for Hillary had she won the nomination.


I think the Hillary hatred is at least as bad as any I have ever seen at FR.

Hillary had a snowball's chance in hell to become the nominee

btw - I am not a Hillary supporter - so don't go there.

But I'd definitely vote for HRC rather than John McStain. It's like asking me which bucket of buzzard puke I'd rather drink, but I'd have to hold my nose and go with the HRC bucket.

BUT, I would NEVER vote for McCainus in the GE.

You'd have to kill me first.

whichever Democrat ends up with it.

close to getting the nom. But, whoever gets it, they get my FULL support with NO nose-holding.

:D

cool! and apparently a vet that specializes in raptors. extra cool!

i just checked out your blog (which hasn't been updated in quite a while i might add).

ever done any birding in costa rica?

I'm actually a CAT vet.

Haven't touched a bird since somebody brought a sick parakeet in to the place I worked my first year out of school, lol. And that one didn't end well. I never took any avian/exotic electives in vet school.

Never been to Costa Rica. My rich sister and BIL have, though. Twice.

yeah, i'm a raptor freak too.

i'm not much into cats unless they're ocelots or bigger.

i've got five dogs though!

pet rabbit or rat, and recently had a run on guinea pigs for some weird reason. But we're 99.9% feline.

If Hillary got the nomination and I lived in a swing state, I'd vote for her as her policy issues are good. But since I live in a red state and it really wouldn't matter who I vote for, if she got the nomination I'd probably vote for McKinney and the greens.

and watch them scramble back aboard when the hole is patched and the ship sails into Victory Port.

So good to see you CC. :loveya:

I've been over at Free Republic the last few months.................
...............................JUST KIDDING!.........
JUST KIDDING....(don't kick me off Skinner)

(1) Conclude whatever they want (don't vote for the black guy), and
(2) Have it be not their fault (it's the OTHERS who are racist! Not ME!)

It's called racism-by-proxy. "Fucking coward's racism" would be another good term for it.

for people who are -for- him simply for the same reason?

EDIT: Clarified subject.

I hear it often around here...up in town.

Maybe you should get out and talk with actual people.

Considering the past 400 plus years, can you blame them? I don't. I'm just a "working class white" for Obama.

Claiming it on behalf of somebody else (or through an accident of birth) is arrogant and stupid.

Who ever said being proud of someone is claiming it for yourself? I think your narrow definition is "arrogant and stupid". You are completely clueless if you don't acknowledge a people may feel a certain amount of pride in a viable candidate of their own race considering what they've been put through for the past 450 years. It is not so much "racial" when you consider they didn't flock to other black politicians in the past. If they are racists in their support for Obama, what would you call them for their non-support for Al Sharpton in '04? Nice try...

Or football fans who gush about how "we" did in the big game. It's stupid and arrogant to take 'pride' in something one had nothing to do with. It's also idiotic to have "pride" in being white...or black...or male. :eyes:

You've beaten me down to the point I refuse to take pride in anything. Let's move on now.

for not supporting Obama?

It's not a political observation.

Despite the insufferable smug ignorance of certain Obama supporter, this life long Democrate/Hillary supporter would NEVER vote for a Republican/NOT vote for the Democrat in a presidential election. I don't like Obama, and the fact that he attracts supporters who regularly trash, not just other candidates, but supporters of other candidates, hardly speaks well of him. After all Obama is supposed to be the non-divisive candidate, but so many of his supporters are busy sowing as much divisiveness as they can. Your lack of self-awareness would be funny it it weren't so pitiful.

It never seems to occur to you that the same argument could be used against you, if Obama got hit by a bus, god forbid, or something, and Hillary ended up as the candidate. Would you vote for her?

Much "cleverer" than calling them Republicans, and that's the easist way of skirting those rules, too!

It doesn't endear said category of people to the supporters of Obama.

If not for some of his supporters, he'd probably be regarded better by those who don't presently support him.

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The other party would suit much better your categoric and overly-simplistic mindset.

are the ones being overly simplistic. And wouldn't you think THOSE people, the ones willing to vote for an actual Republican, might just fit in a little better with said GOP?

If these people are so simplistic and fragile that they need their egos stroked to do whats right for both the country and world then they are indeed worthy of a hearty, "Fuck you!"

You sure those are the people you want to stick up for?

Then put people on ignore when they call you on such bullshit.

That's the O TEAM way! DIVIDE the party with childish accusations and vicious slurs!

It does suit the GOP meme, as a poster observed, quite cogently, upthread.

The accusation is based on some threads here, and polls that show that more than 1/4 of Hillary supporters would vote McCain if she loses.

"I'll vote for McCain just to do anything I can to try to keep Obama out of the WH."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4563773#4563916

"There are so many people like me. You have no idea. But it's over.I am voting for John McCain."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5894961

If McCain vs. Obama, 28% of Clinton Backers Go for McCain
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-McCain.aspx

Seems those "childish accusations and vicious slurs" are correct. And apparently it's not "bullshit" that anyone has called me on either, though I'm sure you'll have some dodge as to why these don't count.

Then put people on ignore when they call you on such bullshit.

I have no on ignore and have never used it. Why did you make up that childish accusation and vicious slur?

It's good to see you in the anger phase. You're coming around.

First link comes up looking like this:

returnable (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-12-08 10:10 PM
Original message
Subject: Cleaning up my own mess. I apologize.
Edited on Tue Feb-12-08 10:35 PM by returnable
Ah, well. Did something I never thought I would do. I let some poor sports push my buttons and I reacted in kind. Not a good way to go.

Anyway, lemme just say for Obama's win tonight and leave it at that.



And the second link of yours, the poster asked to go, ending with Lower that granite slab now.

Your third link suggests that Clinton has more crossover appeal. She draws those elderly people Team Obama makes fun of so readily. She draws those Reagan Democrats and independents. Now, all of a sudden, that's a CRIME? If Gore could have held that demographic, he'd be finishing his second term. Your third link also says If McCain vs. Clinton, 19% of Obama backers go for McCain. Ooops, that didn't quite make your point, though, did it? Between that crowd, and the teenagers who will stay home, I'll bet we're already AT that twenty eight percent. And what makes you think Team Obama couldn't close that gap and match that twenty eight percent if the situation changed? I'll bet they could and would. Obama has closed nine point gaps before, after all.

Whatever. Your decisive links are apparently less than decisive, now, aren't they?

If you have no one on IGNORE you are a different breed of Obama supporter. An exception to the rule.

The Society for Perpetual Victimization may think this "The Other Candidate is being MEEEAN to me" tactic will work in the GE, but I've got news for you. The GOP will laugh their asses off if you pull that "aggrieved" bullshit and point fingers at those that most people here make fun of, the people in the "mushy middle" that any candidate--on either side--needs to win. Team Obama insults them daily, making fun of women with their idiotic snark and "funny" photos of Clinton, and making fun of old people with their stupid insults about McCain and his mother. They never attack POSITIONS--just gender and age. And they think those stupid nicknames like Shrillary and Hillarious are "cool." They're actually the ultimate turn-off--it's like the ugly, shitty, vicious kids from "Lord of the Flies" are running Obama's campaign.

It's up to Team Obama to ATTRACT those people. With FACTS, which apparently are in short supply. Not insult them when they refuse to "believe."

And McCain will use this childish attitude to good effect, too--he will stay above the fray, while his surrogates get in the mud. You won't be able to accuse him of anything, because he'll decry dirty politics while his minions take care of his dirty business. And everytime he's asked to comment, he'll say "Isn't that terrible, I disapprove, and...MY FRIENDS...let me talk about my economic plans for this country...." and he'll launch into some promissory "I feel your pain" routine, like a tax break or some other incentive (likely environmental--he's greener than Obama), that appeals to those in the mushy middle who aren't getting shit except insults (ageist, sexist, or what have you) from Team O. And Team O will respond by saying "Waaaah, he's OLD, and, and...he has a LUMP on his face....and, and...he's OLD!!!! Hundred years WAR!!! Ha ha ha...He's ....OLD!!! And his mother looks like the Crypt Keeper!!! And his WIFE is a Barbie Doll!!!"

And then you'll be shocked when there aren't enough of us voting for the Democratic nominee, no matter who she or he is. And the finger-pointing will ensue, yet again, because that's the strong suit from Team O.

That's real effective. NOT.

They go right to what I said they go to, you just didn't wait for them to load. :eyes:

If McCain vs. Clinton, 19% of Obama backers go for McCain. Ooops, that didn't quite make your point, though, did it?

No, I didn't include it because it's irrelevent. Hillary isn't going to win, hence those people wont be voting for McCain and we don't have to stroke their egos like the Hillary supporters threatening to do the same. Oooops, you didn't think of that, though, did you?

It's up to Team Obama to ATTRACT those people.

No, it's not. These people are supposedly adults, and as such should be very well aware of the consequences of their actions. They need to act like it and not have to be coddled and bribed to do what's right for the country and the world. I don't give a shit if they believe in Obama or not. I don't even like the guy very much. But I'm not such a baby that I'm going to vote for McCain and betray everything I stand for in a petulant fit like some three year old who doesn't get their way. Politics isn't a damn pillow fight.

And then you'll be shocked when there aren't enough of us voting for the Democratic nominee, no matter who she or he is.

That's your choice. You're an adult. You make your own decisions. If you're so fragile that you let others upset you so much that you'll vote Republican than politics isn't for you. Both my candidates lost. I didn't need people to kiss my ass to know voting for a Republican is fucking insane. Do you?

You don't seem to "get" it. I'm not upset. A bit disgusted at the childish behavior, but not upset. See, you have to give a shit to be upset. And I could give one.

And speaking of shit, where do you get this: If you're so fragile that you let others upset you so much that you'll vote Republican than politics isn't for you.

I've said I'll vote for the nominee a hundred times here. Go on, look around, you'll see, if you care to.

So why pull that out of your ass? To make some kind of "So there!" point?

And to make matters more interesting, you quoted me, now why don't you try actually READING what I said--particularly the part that says "...aren't enough of US voting for the Democratic nominee."

Something about that US word you find confusing, is that it?

Pretty lame arguing if you ask me. The "Nowhere Else To Go" argument didn't work for John Kerry, either.

Someone else just checked them for me on a different pc and they worked fine for her too. You might need some help with your computer, as DU apparently isn't working right for you. If you don't want to believe what I posted, and choose to think that those posts don't really exist, so be it. If you want, do a search on the quotes themselves and see for yourself. Or not. I couldn't care less.

And speaking of shit, where do you get this: If you're so fragile that you let others upset you so much that you'll vote Republican than politics isn't for you.

When I said "you're" I meant not just you personally, but also in the general sense. I haven't seen your posts saying you'll vote for the nominee, but I do take your word at it. I apologize if it seems like I'm singling only you out. I'm not, and didn't mean to make it seem that way. I'm talking about anyone who says they'll vote for McCain.

The rest of my post stands. I didn't need my ass kissed when my candidates lost, and they need to swallow their pride and do what's right. Too much is at stake for this petulant nonsense. End of story.

saying Gimme the Granite is where you were going, they DO work fine.

You meant "you're" personally. Otherwise, why say it?

I'm voting for the nominee, because I ignore the childish bullshit I see here on DU.

I agree with your assessment.

all bow to the Annointed One. i am fighting my in laws to not vote for McSame I have voted dem for many years, and will probably hold my nose again.Let them keep calling old line Dems racist yahoos and see how easy they make Obamas's job of uniting the party.The 21ast century red guard.

did? We know you're not that stupid, come on.

Another reason why I visit here less frequently is because people don't read what others write. It's all transmit, no receive.

I don't believe anyone who found DU and can type a post here is that stupid, I just don't.

hard one would work to get Obama elected, or whether there is a temptation to leave the presidential slot on one's ballot blank, which is almost like a vote for McCain but not quite. Personally, I would of course vote for Obama, and I will work my butt off for other Dems but I won't be contributing to his campaign any time soon and I won't be putting his sign in my front yard. It's a long way to November but that's the way I feel now. Too much Clinton hatred and patronizing attitude towars her as well as a double standard which is often plain sexist for me to swallow hard and forgive and forget. I am also very pessimistic about Obama's chances of winning in November -- if his chances pick up, and I feel he has a realistic shot, I may feel slightly better about it all.

either by voting for McCain or leaving that spot blank, have no business on this website and calling themselves Democrats.

HHH the election. Can I call myself a Democrat? things aren't as simple as Obmanation may think.

"everyone" did, but I was back in the fold to watch MccGovern lose in '72. Point being sometimes the candidate just doesn't deserve your vote, somtimes you hqve to take a stand. the McCarthy vote might have made a difference, I'm not sure.

I like think it's just anger and frustration over our current situation.

The economy, the wars and the killing. Our liberties. It adds up. It's been 8 ears, people are pissed.

I sincerely hope it's just anger talking and WHOMEVER the candidate eventually is, McCain won't reap a single vote from here.

Speaking for myself & hypothetically, if I felt so strongly that I just COULD NOT vote for the nominee for some reason that is not now apparent, I'd write someone in or I'd stay home.

Please vote responsibly. Friends don't let friends vote for more of the McSame.

Don't expect you'll see many here though...

voting in a poll that reflected poorly on this community. They're back, again, now, as sockpuppets, I suspect.

So, when you hit that little button, remember that the guys on the other end of that boxing glove graphic at the top of the page know how you voted.

a poll with a response that was offensive, and people clicked on it, either because they were assholes or because they were being snarky.

:think:

FUCK NO!

I'm going to vote for Obama in the upcoming primary. But if for some bizzarre reason (such as, Obama gets killed by lightning) Clinton is the nominee, I'll of course vote for her in November.

Anyone who votes for McCain is a worthless, anti-American asshole.

John Edwards got pushed out long ago. I've said all along though that I'll vote for a ham sandwich before I'd vote for another Republican. I still mean it.

I'd also like the people who won't vote for a Dem (as in not voting in the PE) to identify themselves also. Especially if you live in a swing state or a Red/Purple state.

I live in Indiana and am an Obama supporter who has problems with Clinton's character. If I lived next door in swing state Ohio I'd vote for Hillary in a second and probably go door to door to register voters for her if she were the nominee. But since I live in red state Indiana which is all but guaranteed to go McCain anyway I might vote Green party and McKinney if Hillary gets the nomination. But if I felt my vote really mattered I would vote democrat for the WH no matter what.

The people who live in Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio or other swing states who say they'll vote McCain if Obama or Clinton doesn't get it bother me though. I could understand voting 3rd party if your nominee isn't picked if you live in a solidly red or blue state, but picking the GOP nominee in a swing state is screwey.

but 90 percent of that number joined DU around February, racking up 1000+ posts on flamebait grenades...

i have yet to see a "real" duer say that....

and identify themselves. We'll see how that works.

I feel like you. I doubt that we'll see 1/10th of those posters here after the GE.

That would be against the rules.

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Your language is offensive and sexist.

Don't be an ass.

It's already too late for that, I think...

I smell pizza. :9

this is what I've been hearing for months when I supported Edwards. The Jonsetown zeal and mistreatment of fellow Dems displays a newcomer to the Democratic party. I have heard many more people here say they would NEVER vote for Clinton than vice-versa, and was a big part in my support of her ie:I get disgusted hearing they way they talk about ANY democrat, and cast my lot and contributions against this callow,fanatic bunch who are doing nothing to help their/our candidate

:hi: :thumbsup:

Tell your uncle dad we said hi.

eom

would want four more years of the same crap. We must all pull together and back whichever candidate gets the Dem nod.

have all been replaced by a lovely granite slab.

I've seen that sentiment too and it's just completely insane. GAH! :puke:

I so wish I could say who (more than one of them and a few "died" in the wool Paulbearers as well--pun absolutely intended) but I've never liked pizza of granite countertops, even.

i mean, we know there are freeptard lurkers here who would do anything rush limbaugh tells them to. and i mean ANYTHING.

but, i can't believe a single true DUer would be caught dead voting for a deformed-headed fascist like mccain.

Straight Dem ticket ALL THE WAY for me! There isn't a repub out there who deserves a single vote from anybody who cares about this country. They had their chance and they blew it!

should stop calling themselves a Democrat. And if you consider yourself an independent and have, for whatever reason, bought into that "moderate" "independent" "maverick" image that McCain tries (or at least used to try) to project, you should look at where the candidates stand on the issues a bit more closely. I believe it's an accurate assessment to say that McCain is more of a conservative than either Clinton or Obama are liberals. McCain used to stand up to the party on a couple of high-profile issues but, on the whole, he votes with the Repugs far too much to even remotely close to being accurately classified as a moderate.

and I won't vote for McCain.

I don't like either Hillary or Obama. I've said so repeatedly since they opened their primary campaigns.

If I don't vote for the nominee, I'll vote for McKinney, who is worthy of my vote.

I've said all of this before, many times, on DU for anyone who cares.

So...why are you trying to "identify" me? Is this a homeland security issue? Going to try to "purge" people? Just need all your fish in this one barrel to attack? What?

trading your vote?

This election is so critical we can't risk 4 more years of the same or worse. I'm not happy about the Dem choices either, but I'll take one step forward over ten steps back anyday, considering how the outcome will affect my 11 year old's future for decades to come.

I'm in a very heated battleground state; I feel there is no other choice than to vote for the lesser of two evils.

and i suspect that outside of the freeptard trolls, not a single DUer would vote for mcpain.

i didn't want this thread to become an obama-hillary war and in places it started to. i just wanted to see if there really were DUers dumb enough to actually even consider voting for mccain. i stand by my initial assertion that no true DUer would ever soil their soul by voting for a repuke.

Don't like either one and I really can't stand Obama, but I will vote for him/her. x(

But I cannot ever see myself voting for a Repug.
And, if there are dems here who would, then this is no place for them. It would be better if they just didn't vote than vote for McCain. Anyone who would vote for McCain over the Democrat who is nominated should be vilified as a Freeper troll.

i would be shocked to find any DUers willing to vote for fascist garbage.