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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:42 AM
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But you do have the right to suffer indefinitely ...

From a note in "Polite Fascism Contracts the Right to Vote"

ARBITRARY DETENTION AND TORTURE
MADE POSSIBLE FOR U.S. CITIZENS
THROUGH SUSPENSION OF HABEAS CORPUS IN
THE "MILITARY COMMISSIONS ACT"


Michael Collins

Habeas corpus protects citizens from arbitrary detention by placing the burden on the state to justify and defend the detention. The state must show cause and allow the jailed citizen access to legal consul to challenge the detention. This protection is a right that has evolved over nearly 800 years. It had been desired, no doubt, since the beginning of recorded history. The principle was established in 1215 in the Magna Carta and codified in 1679 in the Habeas Corpus Act 1679.

It is so vital; the United States Constitution offers clear protection: "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it." Congress is the only branch of government empowered to suspend the writ.

The 109th Congress suspended habeas corpus when it passed the Military Commissions Act. Thanks to that historic surrender, the executive branch can declare any citizen, you for example, an "enemy combatant." They can put you in jail indefinitely, refuse a trial, and refuse to even tell you why you're in jail. The same techniques approved for the "enhanced interrogation" (i.e., torture) of alien enemy combatants can be used on you, if someone in the executive branch simply puts your name on a list.

All of this follows from the simple declaration of your status by a Pentagon bureaucrat or politician. You cannot appeal the decision. But you do have the right to suffer indefinitely for an unspecified crime brought by an anonymous source, all in the secrecy of a prison here or abroad.

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http://www.house.gov/wu/

Congressional Record: September 27, 2006 (House)
Page H7522-H7561

MILITARY COMMISSIONS ACT OF 2006


Statement of the Hon. David Wu, (D, OR)


Mr. HUNTER. Mr. Speaker, pursuant to House Resolution 1042, I call up the bill (H.R. 6166) to amend title 10, United States Code, to authorize trial by military commission for violations of the law of war, and for other purposes, and ask for its immediate consideration.

The Clerk read the title of the bill.

The SPEAKER pro tempore. Pursuant to House Resolution 1042, the amendment printed in House Report 109-688 is adopted and the bill, as amended, is considered read.

The text of the bill, as amended, is as follows:

H.R. 6166 Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

Mr. WU. "Mr. Speaker, I want to focus like a laser beam on the right of habeas corpus and the untoward effect of this legislation on habeas corpus. This is an ancient doctrine that has been with us since at least the days of Charles I. It has presented difficulties to many American Presidents from Jefferson to Lincoln to Grant to Roosevelt.

"We have the power to do much in restricting habeas corpus; but we should do so very, very carefully because it is the protection from tyranny that our forebears sought in the Revolution.

"Congress here is entering upon dangerous constitutional shoal waters, and it is, in my belief, unconstitutionally limiting access to habeas corpus. The courts have repeatedly ruled in a restricted fashion whenever Congress or the Presidency has restricted access to habeas corpus and each of us, not just the Supreme Court, but we in the Congress and those in the executive branch, we all take an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States, and this act, by restricting habeas corpus, will not serve America well.

"And by so restricting habeas corpus, this bill does not just apply to enemy aliens. It applies to all Americans because, while the provision on page 93 has the word "alien" in it, the provision on page 61 does not have the word "alien" in it.

"Let us say that my wife, who is here in the gallery with us tonight, a sixth generation Oregonian, is walking by the friendly, local military base and is picked up as an unlawful enemy combatant. What is her recourse? She says, I am a U.S. citizen. That is a jurisdictional fact under this statute, and she will not have recourse to the courts? She can take it to Donald Rumsfeld, but she cannot take it across the street to an article 3 court.

"This bill applies to every American, regardless of citizenship status."


Full Bill and debate

From a note in "Polite Fascism Contracts the Right to Vote"


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 07:15 AM
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1. This is the first thing that should be corrected by the new Pres.
Do we have statements from any of the Candidates on this?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:19 AM
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2. If they can lock us up and throw away the key, are we a nation of laws?
The courts might even support this one.

Long time no see :hi:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:02 PM
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4. I think that many of us fear that if we attack Iran there will be no elections
The media will chant whatever war time mantra that the Administration needs.

And the Administration knows that if they hand over the government on 01-20-09, many of them could face jail terms.

Better us in camps than them in jail, they are thinking.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:56 AM
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3. Good morning
:kick:
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 01:07 PM
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5. Tyrants in the WH spreading Fascism like a plague.
K & R
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:31 PM
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7. Some of it polite, soe not so polite
Who are these people. i never see them or their minions. I just see decent citizens trying to do
teir best, fed up with the dumb and dumber act of the tyrants.

Time for them to go ... a long way away.



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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:25 PM
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6. Needs more
:kick:&R!

:hi:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:49 PM
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8. Ola electoins warrior
Edited on Tue May-27-08 09:59 PM by autorank
The word is getting out. 14 recs for a footnote.

Here's "the Person" Bruce Fein, former Reagan justice official and legal scholar.

He's awesome on this topic:
Committee on the judiciary, Hon. John Conyers,Chairman
http://thewall.civiblog.org/rsf/feinstmt12006.html
Jan. 20, 2006 (4 days after Al Gores thunderous speech on Jan. 16, 2006 at Constitution Hall)

MR. FEIN: The Founding Fathers understood that men were not angels and that "Trust me" was not a good enough protection for our civil liberties.

And, accordingly, they created a tripartite system of Government whereby the legislative, executive, and judicial branches would be restraints upon one another.

As Madison explained, "Ambition must be made to counteract ambition." And it, the issues of separation of powers, something that is critical to the civil liberties of the living and those yet to be born, that has been raised by President Bush's justification for his unilateral decision to authorize the National Security Agency to engage in eavesdropping without warrants against American citizens and declining to suggest that Congress has any role in the matter.

One of the reasons why the issue is so critical is that we will be in a state of permanent hostilities against terrorism for our lifetime and for the indefinite future.

So the claimed authorities of the President are not temporary. They will not go away. They will become permanent fixtures of the political and legal landscape, which is one reason why we must focus so clearly and sharply on the justifications.

Secondly, the President's claims do not distinguish in principle from intercepting a communication between a U.S. citizen in the United States and abroad or a communication wholly within the United States, because the gist of his authority that he claims is that if the purpose of the interception or surveillance is to advance or help defeat terrorism, then he can do it on his say-so alone without any consideration of what Congress has enacted.

For example, we know that the 9/11 perpetrators were within the United States prior to the attacks, and communication that they would have would be solely within the United States.

They may have communicated with an American citizen. There's nothing in the President's claim of authority to surveil only the wiretap to further the war against terrorism that would restrict his authority to only what he says he's doing now, surveiling or intercepting communications between the United States and abroad.

Snip

Now, the principle that the President has established here, if gone unchecked, will, as Justice Robert Jackson said, lie around like a loaded gun and be utilized by any future incumbent who claims a need.

And the history of power teaches us one thing, that if it's unchecked, it will be abused.

There will be overreaching, whether or not you have a benevolent individual or someone who's malevolent. That is the nature of power. As Lord Acton said, "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

And we ought not to risk that when there are absolutely clear, legal, responsible ways to fight terrorism with all the aggressiveness that we need.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

MR. CONYERS: Thank you very much, Attorney Bruce Fein.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:59 PM
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9. What is beyond corruption?
:)

:hug:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:34 PM
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10. R
& :kick:
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:08 PM
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11. this is....
....some nasty shit....hey bone-head repug, this applies to you too....

"...walking by the friendly, local military base and is picked up as an unlawful enemy combatant."

....and what if you were walking your repug-ass by that same military base and some godless liberal picks you up as an enemy combatant?....that's right, no more pat robertson for you....
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