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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:39 AM
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The Truth Will Out, Even By Katie Couric - Years too late... Today on The Today Show
First, they reported on Scottie's kiss and tell book and he'll be on tomorrow.

Later on in the show, they had on Katie Couric, Brian Williams and Charlie Gibson on promoting a new fight cancer public service program that they are behind. After discussing it, Matt Lauer asks them all The Question..Do you feel the media didn't do their job during the run-up and the beginning of the war.

Katie Couric said that the media was remiss and didn't ask the hard questions. She also said that when they reported something that the Pentagon or WH didn't like, they were called and pressure was put on them. If they didn't play ball, they would be denied access.

Needless to say, Gibson and Williams and Lauer tried to play her response down.

I hope video will eventually find its way online.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:40 AM
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1. "Gibson and Williams and Lauer"
I can't decide if this is a crooked law firm or a vaudeville team...
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:06 AM
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7. Maybe both? They're certainly pleasing liars, and I've never seen them do anything but vaudeville
:eyes:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:29 AM
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12. They could also do quite well as pimps.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:32 AM
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14. True, but I like it even more when they all jump out of that little car to present the "news"
"A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants."
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:38 PM
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42. ...
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:41 AM
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2. It's all seeping out
Poor Katie exposes herself even more since access was/is more important than truth or the constitution. They are all complicit.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:53 AM
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6. Could you imagine if all of the media outlets decided to rightfully report the truth and not buckle
under the pressure? How many lives could have been saved????

:cry:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:54 AM
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16. But but but
most of them made money out of Bushco's lies. The Press Corp were upset with Colbert remember!!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:24 AM
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20. If the Press were doing their job, there never would have been that dinner in the first place. They
would have shunned Shrub, as they still should.

Yet these were the same assholes that laughed at Shrub looking for WMDs on the floor in the oval office, 2 years before.

Yeah, it's about the bottom line for the corporations that hire these aiders and abettors, but how much of those profits do these hacks receive? I guess defending true liberty isn't as important as an ordinary paycheck.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:47 AM
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3. Williams, Gibson and Laurer
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:48 AM
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4. but navy Seals still rock. n/t
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:50 AM
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5. We were here 5-6 years ago saying what they are saying now.How ODD it feels to hear them fess up!!
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:17 AM
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8. Anyone notice a pattern?
Which I would not automatically attribute to intelligent planning but rather a herd instinct.

In a panel or an isolated blip, some newsperson blurts out a not too pointed critique of the journalistic behavior of the past Reich years. Silence or mumbled softenings or disagreements follow. Usually very muffled then the issue vanishes faster than Gore's proved victory in the unofficial recount. The new "hero of truth" rarely surpasses that moment in the sun and rejoins the club, supposedly at a round of melancholic drinks at the club bar to drown out the faint residual, foggy sense of guilt or menace.

Waiting for the truth to leak out of any member of the club is like trying to discern sanity in a madhouse or morality in a squad of camp SS guards. It points out the valueness nature of national "news" media. Too much time is wasted here and everywhere on listening for the faint echoes of disappearing conscience and the disappeared truth far beneath that surface. True, most people don't want to know or believe terrible things, especially those they participate in- like watching the 6 'clock news and thinking it guiding facts or wisdom, or something demanding full legitimacy, respect and full time, not just equal time.

The mass aggregate of the US, a great many of whom do not directly watch the diversified pablum of corporate propaganda, is still at the stage of inchoate rage and distrust. Just as with the pols they do not trust and maybe never show up at the polls, the present result is they acquiesce to their power, submit to the bully pulpit, the raped microphones, the fact of the top being the top. The lack of anyone offering an alternative and most reformers ignoring or simply bouncing retorts off the top of the wall keeps the population from being led up and over or through that wall.

Tune out, turn on was the expression of that surrender to garbage in the sixties. Tuning out with the Internet available for real searching and activism still sounds like the first best step. The first isolated baby steps of a bare few in the media itself are obscenely pathetic in comparison and a waste of our time to applaud.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:23 AM
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10. ...
:thumbsup:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:28 AM
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11. Excellent evaluation which deserves its own thread. Thank you!
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:59 AM
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34. well said
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:48 PM
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37. Dude, I just imagined the V for Vendetta guy reading that
Right on :)
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:22 AM
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9. I thought Katie came back to beg for her old job.
Edited on Wed May-28-08 08:22 AM by gatorboy
Did you see her entourage of SUV's and all the assistants that came out of it? It looked like a clown car. :P
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Finn Polke Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:31 AM
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13. Same shit different horrible event
So many corporate news folks are now fessin up! Gee, who would have guessed that as soon as the pressure was off and ANYONE could speak about the obvious truth but not lose their job for doing it, we'd see a brave parade of news stars finally doing their jobs instead of protecting them? Politicians are doing it, too.

I think this has happened before in history. Just guessing here, of course.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:35 AM
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15. Lauer is all in with the Bushies -- and the price of Loyalty in this case is credibility
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:01 AM
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17. This is NOT a victory - it happens after every war/invasion/occupation -
the media has a grand self-reflective moment in which they admit they failed and that they will try to do better next time and then next time they screw it up again.

The media DOES NOT need access to the POWERFUL -- Amy Goodman (DemocracyNow!) has said over and over again that journalists do their best work when they are not trying to get the story from the powerful.

:thumbsdown:
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:26 AM
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21. Bingo! IndyOp nails it
Each time the MSM closes the barn door long after the horse has escaped they expect to be congratulated for it. Not from me.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:28 AM
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22. Amy Goodman is a journalist - therein lies the difference. nt
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:55 AM
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31. "I don’t know if they (Amy Goodman & Co.) really were journalists..." Mara Liasson
That reminded me of the ironic quote above by Mara Liasson of Fox "News":

Media Attacks Democracy Now! Questions for Former Senator Bob Kerrey About War Crimes
On April 26 Democracy Now! attended a press conference where former Senator Bob Kerrey admitted that he led a NavySEAL mission which killed at least a dozen Vietnamese women and children in 1969. Over the next two nights FoxNetwork’s Special Report with Brit Hume, Mort Kondracke of the Weekly Standard, Mara Liasson of NPR, and others attacked the questions we asked Senator Kerrey as part of a “left-wing cabal,” questioning the credibility of journalists who would dare to ask about war crimes and the possibility of resistance...

BRIT HUME: What about that question and what about the general behavior of our colleagues in that news conference?

MORTON KONDRACKE: There was a—there was an even worse question where someone said: You’re a father. What would youtell the children of the people that you killed, in effect?

HUME: Yeah, we played that earlier. I don’t know what it was designed—it certainly was not designed to get information. It was designed to embarrass him or make him cry or something like that. It was not a journalistic question.

MARA LIASSON: No. And it wasn’t, and I don’t think this kind of press conference would have happened if he was inWashington. I mean, that was certain—I don’t know if those people have worked for any publications. I don’t know if they really were journalists. They were clearly interested in reliving the war and the anti-war movement...

http://i1.democracynow.org/2001/5/7/media_attacks_democracy_now_questions_for
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:10 PM
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39. Mara Liasson should end all her sentences starting with "I don't know"
right there, she'd at least be more honest about her capabilities.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:59 AM
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24. That's A Great Statement By Amy
This silliness that if "we didn't toe the line, we'd lose access" WAS THE NEWS! If someone in the WH said nobody will talk to me anymore if i report something they don't like, my very next story would be about being threatened by the White House if i TOLD THE TRUTH!

That was the story, you bunch of cocktail party syncophants!
The Professor
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:34 PM
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36. Amy is following in the footsteps of people like I F Stone and Sy Hersh ...
real journalists who knew you talk to everyone in the chain of command (which is where Hersh got the title of his book) to get the whole picture.

"Journalists" who rely on the officeholders for their version of the news remind me of Einstein's remark about certain scientists being like carpenters who find a spot where the wood is very thin and then drill a great many holes there. These "journalists" get their news where the getting is easy, not where the news is newsworthy. And their Money$treamMedia employers hand out salaries based on Q-score, not IQ score.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:04 AM
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18. Well Katie you played with the Propoganda Machine
and now your credibility is lost and now nobody cares what the hell you say
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:22 AM
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19. Is there a VIDEO of this online anywhere? (nt)
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:52 AM
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23. Here:
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:04 AM
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25. Katie Whistles Past The Gaveyard...
She's all but a corpse at CBS...just a matter of time until the network eats the big one and lets her go. Her 15 minutes are at 14:55...so better to get it out now before she becomes invisible and "media poison".

In her defense, she wasn't a network anchor during the run-up...not like Gibson and Williams. Damn right they're all gonna "pooh-pooh" this stuff and try to play the "fifth estate" game...how all they did was report what they were told. Their silence speaks volumes...their attempt to laugh it off is comptemtable.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:12 AM
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26. VIDEO
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:56 AM
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32. Thanks! That was quite something.
Floodgates opening??
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:36 AM
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35. Not by MSM. I turned on MSNBC and CNN before and they are all turning on Scottie....
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:58 PM
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38. Cowards. n/t
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:17 AM
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27. she sure has changed her tune from last fall......
Sept, 2007.....

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/28/couric-on-iraq/

Couric: ‘Not My Job’ To Critically Report On Iraq, ‘Unless Something Is Really Egregious’»

Recently, CBS anchor Katie Couric traveled to the Middle East for a “heavily promoted week in the war zone,” reporting the situation on the ground from Iraq. Her reporting was superficial and uncritical, airing several “puff pieces” mouthing Bush administration talking points.

This week, Couric spoke at the National Press Club with host Marvin Kalb to discuss “Democracy and the Press.” Couric explained that her goal in Iraq was to appear neutral and avoid “a Walter Cronkite moment,” as she put it:

Is it my job to go over and say this war is terrible and withdrawal is necessary? I don’t necessarily think that is the case. … I don’t necessarily feel that unless there is a clear cut factual element to it. … I have never really saw it as my role, unless something is really egregious and without question wrong.

Kalb rebutted Couric’s assertions, charging that she offered only neutered judgments about the status on the ground and missed an opportunity to critically assess the situation in Iraq:

You offered only one judgment about the war. And you cushioned that by the way. You said, “There are definitely areas where the situation is improving.” Fine. But you then asked nine questions, nine important questions about Iraq. But you didn’t even make an effort to answer them. … You have been there. You’re an anchor every night. You’ve seen the material that flows into you. Surely on some of those nine issues, you must have had a strong feeling.

Watch it:
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:29 AM
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28. Couric's Interview with John and Elizabeth Edwards
Brian Unger had a very funny take on this:

The Unger Report: Couric's Interview with John and Elizabeth Edwards
Day to Day, April 2, 2007 · Katie Couric recently interviewed John and Elizabeth Edwards about Elizabeth's cancer and John's decision to continue with the presidential campaign. Couric has come under fire for some of her questions.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:52 AM
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29. I forgot about this "some people" interview! Unger is great!!!
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:55 AM
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30. Maybe all the media will have a come to jesus moment now.
I was reading U.S News yesterday and item after item seemed to be agreeing with our point of view. I think there is change in the wind.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:42 PM
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43. Truth sometimes have a funny way of making herself known...Like TIME
Nothing like TIME to flush out the BS Crap......

"Ya can't Fool um ALL of the Time"

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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:58 AM
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33. They are still afraid. This news should hardly surprise anyone. I can't believe that
Katie spoke up, I guess she has less to lose.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:12 PM
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40. Oh the bullshit denial of access excuse!
They could have done something about that too had they been interested! FED THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR ILK KATIE
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:48 PM
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41. How did she kiss her kids goodnight with the same lips she used to pimp Murder & Co?
Now that it's too late for close to a million or more dead, she's developed a conscience.

:grr:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:04 PM
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44. Accessories to treason, imho.
Cowards too.

Thanks Ommm!
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