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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:44 AM
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Don't indict any of them.
Until after January 20.
Bush will set them free if he can.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:45 AM
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1. yes, the power of the pardon would be used heavily. nt
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:45 AM
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2. Yep, that was my thought as well... If he is no longer in a position to pardon...
then thats the time to nail the assholes.
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:46 AM
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3. very good point
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:46 AM
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4. Bush would pardon them all
then resign so Cheney could pardon him.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:47 AM
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5. That's what I've thought, too. n/t
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:49 AM
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6. Doesn't Matter
They don't need to be accused to be pardoned. Bush will simply issue a pardon for everything that happened - it actually might be technically possible to try them for their crimes once he does pardon them, but there could not be a penalty.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:50 AM
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8. GMTA
See my post below. We were posting at the same time. I agree. He could easily pardon them before they're accused.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:49 AM
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7. Exactly.
I'm just afraid he'll give them all peremptory pardons in anticipation of indictments.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:50 AM
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9. War crimes can't be pardoned
The Hague won't give a monkey's whether Bush** pardons himself and everyone else if they decide to go after them.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:51 AM
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10. That's true
I was thinking more about American courts.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:07 PM
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17. The truth is that a serious reality check is needed
for anybody who actually believes that Bush will be going to the Hague. It may be peoples' wet dream, but I don't see that ever happening. Ever. Reality is a harsh mistress.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:52 AM
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11. The question is, can Bush give out blank check pardons?
Fill in the blank, get out of jail free cards?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:58 AM
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16. Yes, He Can
That's what Poppy Bush did, as did Fors in pardoning Nixon.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:27 PM
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21. Poppy only gave out pardons to those who had been indicted
but not yet tried/convicted.
I think Ford pardoning Nixon is the only case of a pre-indictment pardon.
I'll double check this.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:53 AM
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12. It still sucks, but I think that's one reason why Pelosi et al have waited.
The other reason being a guaranteed Democratic majority in 2008.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:53 AM
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13. good point! nt
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:53 AM
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14. once they're gone it will be all over....no one will go after them
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:56 AM
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15. I hope that your wrong, but I suspect not. Very sad but true. n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:10 PM
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18. The only problem with that is...
that the Democrat that takes office, Obama or whomever, will choose not to investigate any further in the name of "bi-partisanship". I wish it were different.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:18 PM
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20. Why We Need Him To Go On The Record, Again...
I have read where Obama has said that he will not stop any investigations of the past regime, but I agree with you that this could easily be swept aside in a post-election "Kumbaya" time...where Democrats will "reach out" in some goofy attempt to show how bipartisan they are and that all repugnicans aren't that bad (yes they are...that's why they stay repugnicans).

My bets are on John Conyers and Henry Waxman...they've been digging for years and have suffered from this regime's stonewalling. Conyers has previously talked about pursuing post-facto impeachment and the criminality of this regime won't vanish just because of an election.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:14 PM
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19. It's Called Eating A Shit Sandwich
I'd also caution about this regime attempting to immunize itself as its walking out the door. Executive orders and special proclamation and other devices this regime will try to use to bury their guilt and hide their complicity.

I've long said that we're stuck until this regime is out of power and that the best we can and should do now is investigate and see how much more slime seeps up...and plenty has.

Also, remember, we have no functioning Department of Justice...one of the first things a new Democratic regime must fix...and FAST!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:28 PM
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22. Just IMPEACH until then!
Best of both worlds! No attack on Iran and we get our man/men/woman/women
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:57 PM
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23. Yep, that's what I've been thinking
The most important thing right now is to keep them from pardoning each other.
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