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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:04 AM
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Pelosi: "This war is a big lie. It was a lie to begin with..and it continues to be a lie"

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=26833

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While she hasn't yet read McClellan's tome ''I totally agree'' with his charges, said Pelosi. ''This war was unnecessary. Katrina was a black mark on how the government responded to the needs of our people, and didn't anticipate them.''

''This is a person who was talking to the press, supplied with information that he trusted to be truthful. So I'm sure he felt zapped. Because what could he say, except what he trusted to be the case?''

''I almost wonder how anybody associated with this war, unless they were of completely different philosophy, would not come to the conclusion that this war is a grotesque mistake, that it was misrepresented from the start, not prepared for correctly,'' said Pelosi.

''This war is a big lie. It was a lie to begin with..and it continues to be a lie..at some point, maybe the lies just got to be too heavy for him to carry,'' she said of the former White House spokesman.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:05 AM
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1. hey nancy, do something about it or shut the fuck up
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:10 AM
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4. no kidding.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:11 AM
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6. Ditto n/t
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:36 AM
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8. Same exact thing I thought the moment I read the thread title.
Outrageous! :grr::nuke::grr:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:40 AM
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10. I'm so sick of Dem reps thinking that ACKNOWLEDGING problems is the
same as doing something about it. We've seen this tactic used nonstop by HRC and Obama during their campaigns; "I feel you pain" is no substitute for "I'm going to end your pain. And here's the rock solid plan I have to do it". DO SOMETHING ALREADY PEOPLE!
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:52 AM
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16. What a big disappointment she and harry have been
Sorry I can't capitalize harrys name as that to me would show some respect, I have none for him anymore, nor her either.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:09 AM
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26. Hear effin hear!!
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:18 AM
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29. Hear, hear.
Do something.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:19 AM
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30. A the fuck men
This just infuriates me to hear she said that.
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ArbustoBuster Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:14 PM
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48. I wish I could K&R an individual reply.
This is exactly how I feel.

Pelosi, you're one of the most powerful people in the world. You have direct access to the levers of power in our country. You can cut Bush off at the knees using the power of the purse or the power of impeachment. DO SOMETHING.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:41 PM
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60. AMEN!
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:08 AM
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2. Hell, everything
That Bush has done in the last 8 years has been a "BIG" lie!

I get so tired of hearing this crap from our own party. Why don't they do something about it instead of "talking"?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:54 AM
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18. Because she's too busy ordering the caviar for her next fundraiser and
kowtowing to corporations to be bothered with doing anything? I've heard politicians complain that fund raising for their campaigns is a full time job, so reading and writing bills to vote on takes a back seat. So why not support election reform then?

When I asked the sister of a friend why she voted repug she said "because all the Democrats do is whine about problems-they never actually do anything to change them! If they came up with some real solutions and plans I would vote for them" I countered that repugs have plans, but they are shitty plans that only benefit the richest Americans "well, at least they DO something. They don't just complain" she said. I certainly don't agree that doing evil is better than doing nothing, but our party needs to reform itself into the party of ACTION because our country has been throughly fucked by those with ill intent.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:08 AM
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3. So If She Can Say This - How Can She Not Move To Impeach This President......
they/she knows exactly how we've been deceived. She knows that this resulted in 4,071 of our troops to be killed. She knows these are war criminals. Why won't she do something about it? Why is she letting them get away with this?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:51 AM
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15. Exactly. So much for looking for consistency in her argument
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:10 AM
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5. Lies about consensual sex = grounds for impeachment
Lies about war = not grounds for impeachment.

As Yakov Smirnoff used to say "What a country!"

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:34 AM
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32. .
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:33 AM
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7. And that witch is his biggest enabler. By 'taking impeachment
off the table' she removed any restraints that might/could/should have been used against this criminal bunch of traitors. And I hope she pays dearly for that.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:40 AM
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11. Please don't insult witches that way
We have a few of them here on DU.

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:15 AM
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43. His biggest emboldener
:evilgrin: Taking impeachment off the table only served to embolden the little pissant and his thugs. Thanks Pelosi. For NOTHING!
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:45 PM
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61. That phrase has different meaning in Congress.
When something is tabled. It's effectively dead. It's not debated or voted on. I'm hoping She meant it in that sense and it's actionable at the proper time. I think we're there.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:40 AM
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9. Each comment from Pelosi only makes her presence more intolerable as a complete failure
Pelosi all talk and nothing but new clothes and constant hair care.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:38 AM
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37. and Botox and Juvaderm or Restalyn
gotta keep up appearances... all show, no substance.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:41 AM
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12. So Nancy, when will you start impeachment proceedings against Bush and Cheney?
Pelosi and Reid will go down in history as the biggest political cowards this nation every had in Congress.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:41 AM
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13. Maybe if impeachment weren't taken off the table
these "revelations" would have come sooner?
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:47 AM
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14. Hey Nancy?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:54 AM
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17. did any of you guys receive an e-mail from Wexler today.
read this, and Nancy will not do shit because of election. that is their whole premise.



Dear Alyce,

Last night, significant news broke that directly impacts our push for Impeachment Hearings and a possible Inherent Contempt charge for Bush Administration officials such as Karl Rove:

Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan has revealed in his upcoming book that:

• Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and Vice President Cheney lied about their role in revealing the identity of Valerie Plame Wilson – actions easily amounting to obstruction of Justice.

McClellan also admitted that:

• There was a coordinated effort within the Bush Administration to use propaganda to pump up the case for the Iraq war and hide the projected costs of the war from the public.

Scott McClellan must be called to testify under oath before the House Judiciary Committee to tell Congress and the American people everything he knows about this massive effort by the White House to deceive this nation into war.

Last week, a subpoena was issued for Karl Rove to testify before the Judiciary Committee. It appears he will take every legal action to block this subpoena. The truth is that Congress has the right – and obligation – to hold him accountable now - not months or years from now. It is long past time to pass Inherent Contempt and bring Rove, Libby and others before Congress.

We simply cannot ignore these recent developments, nor should we postpone serious inquiry until after the next election.

Your commitment to accountability for the Bush/Cheney Administration, and the support of 230,000 other Americans who signed up at wexlerwantshearings.com, has inspired and motivated me in my effort to hold impeachment hearings for Vice President Dick Cheney and Inherent Contempt for Rove and others. During the past months I have been a tireless and dogged advocate of this vitally important cause.

Many of you have written me, asking for an update on where we stand with regards to impeachment hearings. I know most of you believe - as I do - that impeachment hearings for Vice President Cheney – are not only justified, but that it is our constitutional obligation to look into the serious allegations of wrongdoing that have been raised. This is especially true based on the newest revelations from Scott McClellan.

I believe that it is the duty of Congress to pursue impeachment whenever there's significant evidence of wrongdoing, be it by Republicans or Democrats, regardless of the timing of elections or the current political environment.

Some of you have written me demanding that I deliver hearings or impeachment. As hard as I have been fighting for this cause, I cannot make impeachment happen by myself. What I can do, and what I have been doing at every turn, is trying to communicate two simple messages to my colleagues:

• the serious allegations of wrongdoing and the clear-cut rationale for impeachment hearings;and
• the fact that the public will support our efforts when Congress boldly acts on the side of justice and accountability.

Unfortunately, to date, these arguments have not been enough to convince even a majority of the liberal and progressive Members of Congress to support impeachment hearings. In addition, the leadership of the Democratic Party in Congress genuinely feels that pursuing impeachment will jeopardize our congressional agenda and threaten gains in the November elections. Although I genuinely disagree with this view, to date I have been unable to convince them to change this policy.

I understand the challenges that we are up against, and I recognize the odds that we face. Nevertheless, I remain unfazed and unyielding.

This new evidence from Scott McClellan could be the tipping point – but we must move quickly. I will use the McClellan admissions to help convince my colleagues that we must hold impeachment hearings.

Regardless, I will continue to fight for progressive values and our Constitution. I will do everything I can to pursue accountability for criminal actions taken by this Administration and this Vice President. I will be a furious opponent to any expansion of this misguided war, and I will fight against the use of torture by our government and to protect our civil liberties here at home.

Most of all, I will continue my efforts to convince my fellow members of Congress and voters, that we should not be a party of passivity - but that we succeed when we present the public with stark choices that are based on the guarantees in our Constitution, and not on the politics of the moment.

I will continue - at every pass - to call for impeachment and accountability. While I wish more of my colleagues supported our movement, we must not let our discouragement lead to apathy and distraction in this important election year when we must break free from eight long years of illegalities, corporate handouts, and a tragic and devastating war.

We should not end the calls for impeachment. I will push against the crimes of the Bush Administration whenever I am provided the opportunity. I will use my role on the Judiciary Committee to take on Administration officials – like I have done with Condoleezza Rice, Attorney Generals Gonzalez and Mukasey, and FBI Director Mueller.

I have not given up our fight to hold this Administration accountable and neither can you. I am grateful for your patriotism and your support. I'll continue to keep you informed and part of the conversation.

Sincerely,

Congressman Robert Wexler


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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:03 AM
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24. I'll never understand why the Dem leadership thinks that impeachment would
HURT them in November. BushCo only has a 20 something percent approval rating, 70 percent of Americans think the war was a big mistake, and the Dems were elected to hold BushCo accountable and end the war-so by not doing so they are breaking their campaign pledges. That will hardly be a reason to come out and vote for them in November.Now that they have an all out admission of guilt, "keeping their powder dry" is no longer an option.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:06 AM
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40. Same reason most of them think they only ned to carry five states to win
Because they really, truly lost all their marbles in 1980 and haven't even bothered to look for the things again.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:09 PM
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49. Low support for Bush does not mean high support for impeachment
Of course it would hurt the Democrats. It would make the party look like a bunch of ill-informed DUers.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:11 PM
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50. OK, how would it "hurt" the Democrats? How many criminal acts must be
commited before we say "ENOUGH"??
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:25 PM
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53. It's too late. Let it go. Bring the criminal indictments in 2009.
I for one do not want duelling impeachments for the rest of my life anyway.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:27 PM
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54. 1) I told you how it would hurt the Dems. 2) Who's 'we'? Not the American public I can assure you.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:09 AM
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42. Thank you Congressman Wexler- great letter
Damn you Nancy
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:54 AM
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19. Time for Nancy and Reid to write another strongly worded letter to Bushie



Dear Mr. President


You didn't tell the truth and we don't like it! You are not very honest.
We don't like liars so you shouldn't lie. If you want us to carry your lies
we will do it up to a point.




Sincerely

your friends

Nancy and Harry


PS

Don't forget we have a luncheon meeting
at your place next week
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:57 AM
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20. ..............
yup, that is about the extent of it. hey Ichingcarpenter:hi:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:38 AM
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36. Morning alyce douglas! ..... glad you liked the letter they wrote
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:11 AM
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27. I don't know...that's pretty strongly worded...people may think Democrats are (gulp)...
partisan.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:29 AM
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31. I'll sign a petition for that letter.
That my friends is how you take the power back!

Why just the other day my wife told me to take out the garbage and do the dishes!

I said "Don't tell me my business Devil Woman!"

Then she smacked me, so I did the sensible thing and took out the garbage. But I did the dishes real slow like. And I pouted about it all night. For that matter I felt that I pulled off a real coup during our nightly footrub! I only used half the lotion as usual! And not the mint scented kind!

That'll teach her!

I'm glad that Pelosi and Reid know how to lay it all out! :applause:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:36 AM
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35. that will show him!!!!
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:59 AM
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21. I see the coward has emerged from the shadows long enough to hit the pile on
and leave immediately after.

Useless. Totally useless.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:00 AM
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22. A lie YOU continue to fund, a lie YOU refuse to Impeach for. Thanks Nancy.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:01 AM
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23. That's it! hey Nance, why don't you talk to Wexxler and let us know what you come up with...?
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Stagecoach Donating Member (468 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:08 AM
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25. She's closer to the situation....
and she's just now figuring this out???? Something we've known for the last 6 years???? Does anyone else get tired of all this tough talk from these people, but we never see any tough action?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:16 AM
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:35 AM
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33. duh. As little children say.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:36 AM
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34. uh, Nancy that's why we elected you
in 2006... to do something about this!!!!

Spare us more words, how about some action NOW, at long last.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:40 AM
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38. Dear Nancy: Kiss my narrow black ass!!
You took impeachment off the table and urged John Conyers to do the same. You are a coward and therefore you and the cowardly DemoCRAPS who voted for the war are complicit in George Bush's war.

Go sit down somewhere and just the hell up!!
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:02 AM
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39. Dear Nancy...impeachment means You may be President...
Don'tcha get it?
Impeach and remove Bush.
That leaves Cheney as Prez.
He has a bad ticker.
So get Congress together, challenge his every move,
cut off his funding, the loss of all that oil will
make him stroke out,

and

Viola...
You are President.

Better hurry tho...not much time left...
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:25 PM
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52. And THAT is the reason she isn't pushing impeachment
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:07 AM
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41. Trying to get free brownie points from us when it's safe to do so
:puke:
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:19 AM
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44. then why in the FUCK do you keep giving him BILLIONS for it?
It's time to acknowledge that the Bush administration, in "permanent campaign," is only half of America's problem. An utterly complicit Congress is the other half.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:49 AM
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45. Now, THAT'S a Revelation!
Nancy, you have opened my eyes. Boy! You are one sharp cookie. But you better jump quick! That bandwagon's leaving without ya!
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:03 PM
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46. Can we impeach now, Madame Speaker?
:sarcasm:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:13 PM
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47. (202) 225-0100 Office of the Speaker n/t
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:19 PM
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51. Nancy you really are an "Appeaser"
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:31 PM
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55. this is a revelation?! geezus - impeach them already!!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:31 PM
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56. Pelosi-shut the fuck up because you have blood on your hands too!
And you have NOT upheld your Constitutional duty to Impeach *! :puke:
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ObamaTime2008 Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:33 PM
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57. Surprised it was a lie
Only taking eight years for them to say huh?
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ObamaTime2008 Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:33 PM
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58. Surprised it was a lie
Only taking eight years for them to say huh?
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:38 PM
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59. As I have said many times: Cowards and Collaborators!
"This war is a big lie. It was a lie to begin with..and it continues to be a lie..."
--Nancy "Impeachment is off the table" Pelosi
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:46 PM
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62. Hey Nancy, you are the ONLY one who can do something about it. So fucking do it already!!!
End the god damn war!!!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 11:47 PM
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63. (i just put a thread up about this--didn't see your thread. so here is what i'll say:


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