Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

WEXLER: "I will use McClellan to help convince my colleagues that we must hold impeachment hearings"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:01 PM
Original message
WEXLER: "I will use McClellan to help convince my colleagues that we must hold impeachment hearings"
Edited on Thu May-29-08 12:02 PM by kpete
http://www.wexlerforcongress.com/news.asp?ItemID=255

Impeachment Update/McClellan's Revelations
Dear Friends,

Last night, significant news broke that directly impacts our push for Impeachment Hearings and a possible Inherent Contempt charge for Bush Administration officials such as Karl Rove:

Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan has revealed in his upcoming book that:

• Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and Vice President Cheney lied about their role in revealing the identity of Valerie Plame Wilson – actions easily amounting to obstruction of Justice.

McClellan also admitted that:

• There was a coordinated effort within the Bush Administration to use propaganda to pump up the case for the Iraq war and hide the projected costs of the war from the public.

Scott McClellan must be called to testify under oath before the House Judiciary Committee to tell Congress and the American people everything he knows about this massive effort by the White House to deceive this nation into war.

Last week, a subpoena was issued for Karl Rove to testify before the Judiciary Committee. It appears he will take every legal action to block this subpoena. The truth is that Congress has the right – and obligation – to hold him accountable now - not months or years from now. It is long past time to pass Inherent Contempt and bring Rove, Libby and others before Congress.

We simply cannot ignore these recent developments, nor should we postpone serious inquiry until after the next election.

Your commitment to accountability for the Bush/Cheney Administration, and the support of 230,000 other Americans who signed up at wexlerwantshearings.com, has inspired and motivated me in my effort to hold impeachment hearings for Vice President Dick Cheney and Inherent Contempt for Rove and others. During the past months I have been a tireless and dogged advocate of this vitally important cause.

Many of you have written me, asking for an update on where we stand with regards to impeachment hearings. I know most of you believe - as I do - that impeachment hearings for Vice President Cheney – are not only justified, but that it is our constitutional obligation to look into the serious allegations of wrongdoing that have been raised. This is especially true based on the newest revelations from Scott McClellan.

I believe that it is the duty of Congress to pursue impeachment whenever there's significant evidence of wrongdoing, be it by Republicans or Democrats, regardless of the timing of elections or the current political environment.

Some of you have written me demanding that I deliver hearings or impeachment. As hard as I have been fighting for this cause, I cannot make impeachment happen by myself. What I can do, and what I have been doing at every turn, is trying to communicate two simple messages to my colleagues:

• the serious allegations of wrongdoing and the clear-cut rationale for impeachment hearings;and
• the fact that the public will support our efforts when Congress boldly acts on the side of justice and accountability.

Unfortunately, to date, these arguments have not been enough to convince even a majority of the liberal and progressive Members of Congress to support impeachment hearings. In addition, the leadership of the Democratic Party in Congress genuinely feels that pursuing impeachment will jeopardize our congressional agenda and threaten gains in the November elections. Although I genuinely disagree with this view, to date I have been unable to convince them to change this policy.

I understand the challenges that we are up against, and I recognize the odds that we face. Nevertheless, I remain unfazed and unyielding.



This new evidence from Scott McClellan could be the tipping point – but we must move quickly. I will use the McClellan admissions to help convince my colleagues that we must hold impeachment hearings.


Regardless, I will continue to fight for progressive values and our Constitution. I will do everything I can to pursue accountability for criminal actions taken by this Administration and this Vice President. I will be a furious opponent to any expansion of this misguided war, and I will fight against the use of torture by our government and to protect our civil liberties here at home.

Most of all, I will continue my efforts to convince my fellow members of Congress and voters, that we should not be a party of passivity - but that we succeed when we present the public with stark choices that are based on the guarantees in our Constitution, and not on the politics of the moment.

I will continue - at every pass - to call for impeachment and accountability. While I wish more of my colleagues supported our movement, we must not let our discouragement lead to apathy and distraction in this important election year when we must break free from eight long years of illegalities, corporate handouts, and a tragic and devastating war.

We should not end the calls for impeachment. I will push against the crimes of the Bush Administration whenever I am provided the opportunity. I will use my role on the Judiciary Committee to take on Administration officials – like I have done with Condoleezza Rice, Attorney Generals Gonzalez and Mukasey, and FBI Director Mueller.

I have not given up our fight to hold this Administration accountable and neither can you. I am grateful for your patriotism and your support. I'll continue to keep you informed and part of the conversation.

Sincerely,

Congressman Robert Wexler
www.wexlerforcongress.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:02 PM
Response to Original message
1. So far its still all talk. But, I like what he is saying. It would be
wonderful if the talk resulted in concrete actions to bring Bush to justice.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. agree
this is also a moment of truth for the Democratic Party and those Senators and Reps supposedly representing us. Lot's of cleaning to do....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #1
43. He is doing all he personally can. It is up to other dems to speed this up
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #43
51. Which is why we need to contact all of our reps, regardless who they are, and instruct them
AS THEIR EMPLOYERS (and put it that way, because that's what YOU are, as a taxpayer and voter - they WORK FOR YOU).

"AS HER/HIS EMPLOYER, I would like to make it crystal clear that I, THEIR EMPLOYER, am directing her/him to back Wexler's position here."

Please check my sig line - the updated list of TOLL FREE Capitol Hill switchboard numbers are there. A couple of them were out of date. That's been corrected.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:06 PM
Response to Original message
2. # 5 n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Odious justice Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:08 PM
Response to Original message
4. This is just painful and silly.
I hate to throw logic against the joy of impeachment- but if McCellan had anything to say on Plame that was different then what he told Federal investigators, he would be going to prison. There isn't going to be anything new in here that will be relevant to the prosecution of that case or impeachment. It's just gas for the fire.

Also, does anyone really believe that any Democrat is going to impeach or rally the house to impeach right now? Conyers was a gut shot. If he's not going to do it, no one is. Everyone is just waiting for January. That's impeachment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. you wish
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Odious justice Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. I wish he was impeached five years ago.
He's not going to get impeached now; and anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. I'm not very concerned about impeachment at this late date.
What I want to see is for Bush and his cronies to be brought to justice. The U.S. and the World need
that in order to re-establish the integrity of the American Government.

With a Democratic President, Senate, House and Justice Department, all is possible, even a leveling of the playing field in the Supreme Court.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. Under our Constitution, they cannot be brought to justice without impeachment.
Just like Scooter Libby.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. You mean that after Bush is out of office he couldn't be prosecuted
for crimes he committed during his tenure? I didn't know that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. But he can be impeached until the last breath, convicted in the senate
and then turned to the authorities

And he will NOT be able to leave the US either. That is because OTHER governments don't concern with these niceties

Preferably I want him impeached yesterday.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #12
26. I don't think there is any bar against impeaching him after he leaves.
In most cases, the only consequence of impeachment (and conviction) is removal from office (and a future bar against holding any office of trust), but in the case of the president, his pardon power is also revoked.

This would be necessary in order to make any criminal prosecutions possible.

I think it could even be accomplished even after he left office, if it was done for the purpose of pursuing criminals. Impeachment is designed to be a political process in addition to being a legal remedy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
All_I_Ask Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #9
47. Cheney could be prosecuted after leaving office unless pardoned
I think before leaving office Bush can pardon Cheney for all offenses that he might have committed. So impeachment might be the only thing that can get Cheney. But who would pardon Bush? It would have to be the next President. If the next President doesn't pardon him I think he could be prosecuted.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #47
50. Welcome to DU!
I think impeachment is an imperative. I don't think there can be any justice without it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #4
11. Flashback to Watergate
the damn finally broke when an insider finally talked


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #4
13. Gas for the fire?
Good.
Lets keep adding gas until our spineless Democrats are forced to to do something.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #4
36. Have to agree here
They are just marching in place or as soldiers would say, Mark Time, MARCH.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:39 PM
Response to Original message
7. so they get Scotty to testify and then what?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #7
14. Hopefully miss Pelosi will have the sky open and a choir of angels sing
at her... IMPEACH!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Odious justice Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. He had to testify/ speak with Fitzgerald during Plame
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/20/AR2005102001487.html

anyting he says now that wasn't said then could put him in prison. On what planet are we to believe that he would write a book that contradicts what he told the investigators- and allow him to face that sort of liability?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. You are aware that he can be offered and given Immunity from prosecution
to testify.

This is a small fry... and this is actually standard when going after the big fish

Study watergate... it is instructive
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Odious justice Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. Why would you offer someone immunity when they publish a confession?
Also, congress can't even offer him transactional immunity (aside from being held in contempt of congress)- but the fed's could still prosecute him irrespective of what congress does. Congress can't offer immunity for other offenses.Congress only has the power to subpoena anyway- they're not a court.

If you think a prosecutor is going to offer someone immunity who:

A: lied to him
B: impeded a national investigation
C: Publishes a book/ confession of said lies and impeded investigation

Well, hey. Super.

Anyways, I'll bet you a coke and a smile that this goes no where, Bush is not impeached, and Macellan becomes a correspondent on MSNBC within the next sixty days.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. Again study watergate
they have offered immunity in the past to witnesses

What he published will not place him in that great jeopardy, but if they want him to go beyond the book and offer state's evidence, they will

And Congress has in the past. Why do you think Ollie North did zero days in Jail?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Odious justice Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. There is a profound difference between this and Watergate.
My point, my only point, is that this witness literally wrote a confession(which will turn out to have no new substantive information in it). There is no need to offer him anything. He has nothing to give. If his book reveals he didn't disclose information in the past, or lied about it, it's a done deal.

Also, this is so far from Watergate. No one is going to go to jail over this, even the convicted. It's done. There will be no more trials involving Plame.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. You will not have any arguments with me over the difference
Watergate was about spying... this is about treason...

We impeached a President for a small thing... hell we had another impeached for a BJ.... this is taking a country to war on lies

Not only is this violating International Law (UN Article 51 comes to mind, the Geneva Convention... you know minor things), but also national substantive laws

So you are right, this is different.

Of course the Party of Death will not do a thing, and the hostage party is afraid of the party of death, which is under the control of the corporations.

If they choose to, they have ways to get state's evidence

I doubt they'll choose too... but that is another matter. After all the US died in 2000. There is nothing you can do to bring it back.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #14
37. Is she wearing a yellow pantsuit at the time by chance?
LOL
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:50 PM
Response to Original message
18. Only if we can impeach them both and Pelosi sits in the OO.
I've read that we can impeach after they leave office as well. This would make Bush/Cheney ineligible for pensions etc.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:11 PM
Response to Original message
20. Shall I hold my breath?
:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. Nah, we like you too much, and holding breath for years is not
conducive to a long life or health

:evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 02:24 PM
Response to Original message
24. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, kpete.:thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 03:18 PM
Response to Original message
25. kick for afternoon crowd
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:19 PM
Response to Original message
27. K&R n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:30 PM
Response to Original message
28. Impeach ....Indict,..... we dont want the Iraqi fight
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:44 AM
Response to Original message
29. Message To Congressman Wexler
:patriot:Go get 'em tiger! :patriot:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:48 AM
Response to Original message
30. Go Wexler!
Edited on Fri May-30-08 02:49 AM by Wizard777
Maybe they should have Hillary come to the House and give one of her History lessons. The elections shouldn't be a concern in this. But for those whom it is a concern. Historically the party that Impeaches wins and win big. But the election should NEVER even mentioned in connection with this. That's enough to make me vote Mc Cain. Just keep sending stupid evil asshats to White House until they impeach one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:57 AM
Response to Original message
31. HR333 -> 799, now in the Judiciary Committee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HR_333

Wexler is a driving force on this issue. And the time has come.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zeos3 Donating Member (912 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:29 AM
Response to Original message
32. Let's not end it with impeachment
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:01 AM
Response to Original message
33. we'll see how successful this is... n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:14 AM
Response to Reply #33
34. A better idea is to charge Busholini, Darth & the Junta with
their crimes after they have left. This way they can be put in Prison.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:23 AM
Response to Original message
35. So cosponsor HR 333 already, dammit!! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
All_I_Ask Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:45 PM
Response to Reply #35
46. His not signing for impeachment but promoting impeachment hearings maybe a plus
Edited on Fri May-30-08 10:47 PM by All_I_Ask
Though it is true Wexler isn't a co-sponsor of H.Res. 333 / 799, he is the leader of the group in the House pushing for Cheney impeachment hearings to begin. He has signed a letter to Conyers the chairman of the Judiciary Committee to let hearings begin - along with about 20 other Representatives. And he has a web page

www.WexlerWantsHearings.com

where Ammericans can show they too want hearings. For awhile it seemed that not signing 333 showed he was objective about impeachment and wanted to see the results of the hearings before making a decision. But it seems to me he must be for impeachment now. I don't know if he has actually come out for impeachment though.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ferd Berfle Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:44 AM
Response to Original message
38. Too Little Too Late - Bugliosi has a better plan now.
Edited on Fri May-30-08 08:45 AM by Ferd Berfle
Having said that - Impeachment (at least getting it started) might just keep the insane Nazi twins from Starting WWIII in IRAN!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Vincent Bugliosi wants Bush charged with murder

CORPORATE CRIME REPORTER

Bugliosi Wants Bush Charged with Murder
http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/bugliosi052208.htm
22 Corporate Crime Reporter 21, May 22, 2008

Former California prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi wants President Bush charged with murder.

Bugliosi – who in the early 1970s successfully prosecuted Charles Manson for the murder of Sharon Tate and six others – lays out his case against Bush in The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder (Perseus Books, 2008).

The book will hit book stores next week – Tuesday May 27, 2008.

“My motivation for writing this book is simple – to bring about justice,” Bugliosi says in a video posted on the book’s web site (prosecutionofbush.com).

“George Bush has gotten away with murder – thousands of murders,” Bugliosi says. “And no one is doing anything about it. The American people can’t let him do this.”

Bugliosi wants one or more of the fifty state attorneys general or one of the nation’s hundreds of district attorneys to step up and prosecute Bush for murder.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:59 AM
Response to Original message
39. Give Up The Gavel, Chairman Chickenheart
Let Wexler show you how to lead.

--
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:40 AM
Response to Original message
40. Please put these @ssholes on the stand. Please hold them accountable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:16 AM
Response to Original message
41. **Calling all whistleblowers**
now is the time to speak out and report the crimes you have seen, your country needs you now to be a true patriot.

This would be a better tactic than ridiculing people who come out to tell the truth. They are the ones that have to live with themselves, and history will judge them anyway for years to come. Maybe we can start an avalanche of truth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:24 AM
Response to Original message
42. Swear in Scottie!
Get him to testify before Congress about what he knows, then follow the thread from there.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:36 AM
Response to Original message
44. All you can do is all you can do.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
All_I_Ask Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:32 PM
Response to Original message
45. Active Link to Wexler Wants Hearings
In the post the link to Wexler's web page - that gives Americans a chance to show they, too, want Cheney impeachment hearings - isn't active. Maybe this form will work

www.WexlerWantsHearings.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:25 AM
Response to Original message
48. I have been so disgusted by the Dem leadership on impeachment, but
I love what Wexler is trying to do. I have written all my elected officals, even the Republican, to hold hearings with McClellan..it is the VERY LEAST they can do for our country. God only knows all the disgusing details on Plame, Siegelman, Iraq and torture at the hands of these many bastards.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:27 AM
Response to Original message
49. good luck...i think some of your colleagues are in bed with the enemy
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 06:28 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC