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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 10:56 AM
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Loyalty to Lies
Edited on Sat May-31-08 11:08 AM by kentuck
Some Democrats, McAuliffe for one, criticize Scott McClellan for lack of loyalty to his boss. Remember when James Carville compared Bill Richardson to Judas Iscariot? Most Republicans are steaming over McClellan's criticisms of Bush and the Republicans. The ultimate betrayal, they say. But how important is loyalty?

Is it more important to be loyal than to condemn an unnecessary war? Is loyalty more important than being open and honest about matters of life and death? Does loyalty override lies and subterfuge and propaganda? Is there nothing that is more important than loyalty?

Mary Matalin said, “This will stand as the epitome, the ultimate breach of that code of honor.” We know how important loyalty is to her. She worked for Dick Cheney. Bernard Kerik was also highly critical of McClellan. “Having been through all I have been through in the past four years, disloyalty and betrayal seem more prevalent today than ever before in my lifetime, and that in itself, to me, is sickening,” he said. Bob Dole more or less called him a weasel. He said McClellan was a “miserable creature” in a an e-mail that became public. They join other "loyalists" such as Karl Rove, Dan Bartlett, Condi Rice, Dana Perino, and Ari Fleischer that have joined in the assault on Scott McClellan.

Loyalty to lies is not honorable. It should not be rewarded. It should be a crime. These "loyalists" have no moral compass. They are lost souls led by a blind man. They should be called for what they are. They are accomplices.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:02 AM
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1. Excellent post - loyalty to politcal liers should not be considered a virture of the left or right!
Edited on Sat May-31-08 11:05 AM by dmordue
We should call for loyalty to all Americans! In the case of this administration loyalty could be called criminal conspiracy or conspiracy after the fact.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:24 AM
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5. I agree.
It should not be called "loyalty". It should be called "conspiracy". In this case, it is a criminal conspiracy. Let them all come forward. They should all go to jail together.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:06 AM
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2. What fucking "code of honor"?
These nitwits wouldn't understand honor if it snuck up and bit them on their collectively stupid asses.

Blind loyalty to anything is exactly the kind of thing our Founding Fathers hoped to avoid by starting a new nation. To think otherwise is to be (1) stupid, (2) uninformed, and (3) fucking twisted.

Blind loyalty worked for Hitler - for a while.

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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:07 AM
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3. They are authoritarian
Putting their "leaders" on pedestals. Cheerleaders for torture.

So patriotic. :sarcasm:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 12:36 PM
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9. It's similar to hiding a bankrobber in your basement...
It would not be "loyal" to turn him in...because he is your friend.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:09 AM
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4. Protest liars and dishonor the constitution
party before country. Ah well.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:26 AM
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6. They believe in being loyal to people, not principles.
When a person you were loyal to violates deeply held principles, you are supposed to abandon the principles and remain loyal to the PERSON. That's their concept of "honor."

Others amongst us believe that there is and should be no loyalty other than to principles. You are loyal to people for so long as they uphold the principles you share with them. When they violate those principles, you have no choice but to abandon them. THAT is REAL honor.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:30 AM
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8. Well said.
And that is one reason why the Republican brand name is much like the dog food they are taking off the shelves.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 11:29 AM
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7. Someday, a Bush "loyalist" will give us the inside truth of what happened...
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