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BobbyVan Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:28 PM
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Editorial: The Iraqi Upturn - Don't look now, but the U.S.-backed government and army may be winn
Does this mean we've won, and we can bring the troops home, finally???

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/31/AR2008053101927_pf.html

THERE'S BEEN a relative lull in news coverage and debate about Iraq in recent weeks -- which is odd, because May could turn out to have been one of the most important months of the war. While Washington's attention has been fixed elsewhere, military analysts have watched with astonishment as the Iraqi government and army have gained control for the first time of the port city of Basra and the sprawling Baghdad neighborhood of Sadr City, routing the Shiite militias that have ruled them for years and sending key militants scurrying to Iran. At the same time, Iraqi and U.S. forces have pushed forward with a long-promised offensive in Mosul, the last urban refuge of al-Qaeda. So many of its leaders have now been captured or killed that U.S. Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker, renowned for his cautious assessments, said that the terrorists have "never been closer to defeat than they are now."

Iraq passed a turning point last fall when the U.S. counterinsurgency campaign launched in early 2007 produced a dramatic drop in violence and quelled the incipient sectarian war between Sunnis and Shiites. Now, another tipping point may be near, one that sees the Iraqi government and army restoring order in almost all of the country, dispersing both rival militias and the Iranian-trained "special groups" that have used them as cover to wage war against Americans. It is -- of course -- too early to celebrate; though now in disarray, the Mahdi Army of Moqtada al-Sadr could still regroup, and Iran will almost certainly seek to stir up new violence before the U.S. and Iraqi elections this fall. Still, the rapidly improving conditions should allow U.S. commanders to make some welcome adjustments -- and it ought to mandate an already-overdue rethinking by the "this-war-is-lost" caucus in Washington, including Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).

Gen. David H. Petraeus signaled one adjustment in recent testimony to Congress, saying that he would probably recommend troop reductions in the fall going beyond the ongoing pullback of the five "surge" brigades deployed last year. Gen. Petraeus pointed out that attacks in Iraq hit a four-year low in mid-May and that Iraqi forces were finally taking the lead in combat and on multiple fronts at once -- something that was inconceivable a year ago. As a result the Iraqi government of Nouri al-Maliki now has "unparalleled" public support, as Gen. Petraeus put it, and U.S. casualties are dropping sharply. Eighteen American soldiers died in May, the lowest total of the war and an 86 percent drop from the 126 who died in May 2007.

If the positive trends continue, proponents of withdrawing most U.S. troops, such as Mr. Obama, might be able to responsibly carry out further pullouts next year. Still, the likely Democratic nominee needs a plan for Iraq based on sustaining an improving situation, rather than abandoning a failed enterprise. That will mean tying withdrawals to the evolution of the Iraqi army and government, rather than an arbitrary timetable; Iraq's 2009 elections will be crucial. It also should mean providing enough troops and air power to continue backing up Iraqi army operations such as those in Basra and Sadr City. When Mr. Obama floated his strategy for Iraq last year, the United States appeared doomed to defeat. Now he needs a plan for success.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:29 PM
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1. Light at the end of the tunnel
Strategic hamlets.

Blah blah blah blah.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:36 PM
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2. The US Occupation of Iraq will continue on a lower level.
This has been the Busholini Regime plan. Lower the US Troop casualty rate & keep declaring that
the Iraqi situation is moving toward success. Secure the Oil Deals & pay off whoever they can to keep the violence down. McLame will repeat "Success in Iraq" ad nauseum.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 06:06 PM
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9. We've rounded the corner.
The Iraqis have changed their minds, and decided it was all worth it.

Flowers and candy being readied.

For real this time!
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:39 PM
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3. Just what are they winning and will it take 100 years?
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 04:41 PM
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4. After all the deaths, all the injuries
all the burned children, all the blown-off limbs, all the emotional scars, all the orphans, all the displaced people, all the suffering, all the torture, all the barbarism.....NOBODY FRIGGING WON!
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:05 PM
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5. Do you think we're going to "win" just in time for the election?
....and then have to stay there because of ...whatever reason emerges AFTERWARDS?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:09 PM
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6. I predict we will "win" in Iraq in October nt
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:33 PM
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7. Then why are they moving the elections in Iraq up to November...
Probably after the American elections? They were scheduled for October. Maybe they know that their puppet Maliki is going to get his ass kicked??
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:51 PM
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8. What does it mean to "win" this war?
The editorial doesn't define success, it merely repeats David Petraeus' claims of measurable progress towards an unstated goal. What, exactly, will we see in Iraq when the war there is "won"? Democratic elections? Cessation of the civil war? Control of oil facilities passed to "responsible" entities (US-based corporations)? Water, food supplies, schools, power, and public safety and health infrastructure in Iraq restored to pre-war levels?

Where ever the supporters of this war intended to head us, it's hard to believe we'll be there in less than a year, after trillions of dollars and thousands of lives already thrown into that morass with nothing but death, debt, and international shame to show for it to date.
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