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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:50 AM
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Dean on Saturday went where no one goes...he mentioned the 2000 court decision.
Right out in the open on C-Span. He was visibly upset at what had been done to Al Gore. There was great applause when he said that which is never talked about in public.



Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, in remarks opening the much-anticipated rules committee meeting, invoked the name of Al Gore, the party's nominee eight years ago. And in doing so, he asserted that the presidency had been "snatched from" Gore by "five intellectually bankrupt justices."

Howard Dean replays the 2000 election's legal fight

So much for the recent recommendation from Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia -- one of those who was part of the 5-4 ruling that led to George W. Bush becoming president -- that folks "get over" what happened and that the debate about it is "so old now."

Dean brought up Gore's name in telling an anecdote about his own disillusionment, as a presidential candidate in 2004, with the party he now hopes will unite after dealing with the Florida/Michigan mess and, at some point, settling on a nominee for this year.

Dean told of angrily pacing in a hotel room one night in Wisconsin -- where an impending primary loss would extinguish what had once been his front-running candidacy -- and talking with Gore on the telephone. For undisclosed reasons, he was venting, wondering why he should stay a Democrat and asking what the party had done for him.

Gore, according to Dean, finally cooled him down by saying, "This is not about you, it's about your country."

Who knows, more stories like this one -- and continued squabbling ...

... between the Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama camps -- might give new life to that long-since-abandoned "Draft Al Gore" movement.


He also mentioned that not even his wife could have convinced him that night, but that Gore could understand.

Dean had repeated this sentiment that he first expressed in his book, You Have the Power, at a NH event recently. He also received an ovation for that.


Calling for party unity.

The most important jobs of the next President, Dean said, will be to "heal our nation" and "restore the moral authority of the United States in the rest of the world."

Dean recalled some gentle chiding he got from Al Gore at the end of Dean's own unsuccessful Presidential bid in 2004. "This is not about you. This is about your country," Gore reminded him.

And, Dean told the delegates, "This is not about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, either. This is about our country. This is not about George Bush and John McCain; it's about our country. We live in the greatest country on the face of the earth, and it's time we started acting like that again."

The crowd, which party officials said was the largest for a state party convention in more than 30 years, rose to its feet, cheering.



We had two bright shining candidates when this started. It was our year to be winners. Our decision to support Obama was made on the day she claimed the delegates here. We saw how it would be used, as a vehicle to hurt the party.

I am glad he brought up the 2000 court decision. Not one other media I can find has mentioned it. I have not heard it on TV at all. Gore's name was not mentioned in summaries given.

Here is the video if you missed it, under DNC Rules and Bylaws, Oral arguments.

Look under recent programs, and then the program.

http://c-span.org/

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:53 AM
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1. Howard was brilliant and we're lucky to have him.
:toast:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 04:24 AM
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20. Amen!
My heart STILL belongs to "Hollerin' Howard."

:toast: :loveya: :headbang:
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:54 AM
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2. He had to say something to distract attention from the fact he is
responsible for letting the whole FL & MI mess to happen in the first place.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:55 AM
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3. Wow. I didn't know that he had magical powers, too!
lol
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samdogmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:56 AM
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4. He didn't "let this happen". The states brought this on themselves!
Who told you otherwise?
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liam_laddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:34 PM
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45. Yes! The FL legislature...
controlled by RETHUGS, set the date. The FL Dems could do little; I don't know how much support the D's gave to the R's. It may have been intentional sabotage, eh? How can one do justice to describe what RW loonies have wrought...throughout the entire world, much less FL?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:58 AM
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6. Please stop acting like that. People are aware now that the states did it.
Just stop it. Accept what has happened.
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:15 AM
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9. Really, Howard Dean decided to move up those state's primaries?
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:52 AM
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17. Here a lady who undoubteedly shares your views:


But seriously, I re-watched my DVD, "Unprecedented", a few hours go, and I'm still on fire with OUTRAGE. I suggest all here to get a copy of it. Here it is at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Unprecedented-2000-Presidential-Election-Campaign/dp/B0001Y4LZA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1212396389&sr=1-1

I see where it's been updated to the 2004 election, so I'll order that one directly. $9 plus $3 for shipping, HOW could you go wrong?

pnorman
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:41 AM
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25. Wow. Why doesn't she just put a "Stupid" sticker on her forehead.
I guess she's willing to take the rest of the country down with her if she doesn't get her way. After all, if she supports Ms. Clinton because of her policies, then a vote for McCain would be turning her back on those policies. My guess is her sentiment is not about policy.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:27 PM
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40. Really? Care to substantiate your comment? Or is this just a typical "shit and run?"
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 02:28 PM by Raster
We're waiting...
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:29 PM
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41. That's a Lie
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:56 AM
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5. Howard Dean is the father of my 15 love children
:D
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:01 AM
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7. I'd wear Birkenstock's for Howard Dean but
your commitment level is commendable.

:rofl:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:02 AM
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8. Yeh, 15 love children is overload.
:rofl:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:24 AM
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32. spit my coffee onto the computer.
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BigDaddy44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:39 AM
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28. Mrs. Duggar???
Is that you??
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:19 AM
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10. Obama will steal the nomination from Hillary. History repeats itself.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:27 AM
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12. "Steal" implies it belonged to her. It did not. There is no entitlement.
No line of succession, no inevitability.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:17 AM
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15. Yep
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:39 AM
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13. Are you high?
Obama has won a (mostly) fair and honest primary, the RBC compromise was more than fair and you cannot "steal" something which never belonged to the other party in the first place.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:43 AM
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16. And Justices should not be exempt from justice, either.
This prick also helped keep a lid on Cheney's secret energy task force meetings. The ones where they actually planned the Iraqi invasion and hostile takeover of Iraqi National Oil.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:22 PM
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50. Cheney and Scalia both go hunting together.
Out in the backwoodsy area in the South where Scalia owns land.

Very little security at the airport where Cheney lands for his hunting trips.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:26 AM
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27. Exactly.
The nerve of him...stealing the election by getting more people to vote for him...

Shameless.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:18 AM
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35. steal how? by running a better campaign???
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:30 PM
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42. another placed on ignore
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:25 AM
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11. God bless them both. As for Scalia--how does one "get over" a murder? Is there a statute of limita-
-tions on murder? Because, Mr. Scalia, you started the murder of my Constitution.

Dean and Gore give me hope that someday we will see justice done for this crime.

Hekate
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:40 AM
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14. Hoo-bloody-rah!
About time someone mentioned it...
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 04:09 AM
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18. Dean has my respect and heartfelt thanks.
~PEACE~
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clyrc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 04:11 AM
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19. I happened to catch that on television-- I loved it
I almost kissed the screen
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:05 AM
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21. I'd Rather He'd Have Mentioned Impeachment...
...because that might mean that something was learned from the stolen elections.

Failing to impeach torturers is "about our country" too.

---
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:00 AM
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22. "five intellectually bankrupt justices"
Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, in remarks opening the much-anticipated rules committee meeting, invoked the name of Al Gore, the party's nominee eight years ago. And in doing so, he asserted that the presidency had been "snatched from" Gore by "five intellectually bankrupt justices."

You go, Howard!

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:11 AM
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23. The video is up in our Political Video Forum. Link
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:14 AM
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24. K&R
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WyldRogue Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:09 AM
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31. I know that scene...
It's from the movie 'They Live' starring Roddy Piper. Actually a good movie by the way.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:55 AM
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26. wow. What a world we could have had..a Gore/Dean administration for the last 8 years!!!!
:cry:
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 03:10 PM
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54. Would never have happened
Don't forget, Howard was on nobody's radar screen 8 years ago. We first met in
December 2001, and when I heard he was pondering a run for the presidency, my
first reaction was that this was one sharp guy, but I had never heard of him.
Go back a year and a half before that and I'll bet no one outside of Vermont
had EVER heard of him. He burst on the scene at a time when our party was crying,
no SCREAMING for a voice to represent, as he so aptly put it, the Democratic wing
of the Democratic Party. Howard filled a void because, sadly, there was a void to fill.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:45 AM
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29. He used that same phrase Saturday night in NYC
"Intellectually bankrupt"

Well put. I think Sandra Day O'Connor shakes her head in chagrin on an hourly basis these days.
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:34 PM
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49. As well she should-I hope it troubles her sleep
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 09:02 AM
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30. Too bad Bill and Hill think it *IS* about them ...
:(
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:26 AM
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33. that was a great part of his opening statement
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:04 AM
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34. About time we get up in arms over 2000
It must never be allowed to happen again.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:35 AM
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36. Great re 2000, but also NOTE . . .
Dean told of angrily pacing in a hotel room one night in Wisconsin -- where an impending primary loss would extinguish what had once been his front-running candidacy -- and talking with Gore on the telephone. For undisclosed reasons, he was venting, wondering why he should stay a Democrat and asking what the party had done for him.

Gore, according to Dean, finally cooled him down by saying, "This is not about you, it's about your country."


Howard Dean has above many others dedicated himself to trying to help Americans out of this two-party mess ---

The populist feelings he inspired, followed by individuals sending donations -- enough to compete
with corps and their controlled robots -- has changed our fate. It is that system which has given
us Obama now --- and shown us the way out of this. We have to buy our way out --- but with the
right candidate. Let's hope that fate is with us in Obama.

MEANWHILE, Dean is also recognizing here that we have a two-party problem and that we have to soon
break away from it. EVEN Randi Rhodes is now talking about the need to raise third parties AFTER
we elect a Democratic majority and straighten out urgent problems.

YES . . . We have to have third parties --- IRV voting as many nations do ---
we have been given another chance here to break free of the DLC-corporate leadership which
infiltrated the party -- plus 42+ blue dogs voting with Repugs ---


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raincity_calling Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:56 AM
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38. I know this is off topic, but I
just want to mention this in passing, and hopefully it can be discussed another time.

Yes, we need to give more power to third parties, but IRV is not the solution for the simple reason that it requires us to continue to use non-transparent counting methods using computers to count and record votes.

There are other possible solutions/alternatives to IRV that could allow for hand counts or statistically significant hand audits, at polling places. Two possible methods are "Approval" voting and "Fusion" voting.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:39 AM
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37. It needs to be pushed out there before the GE. Even Brazile mentioned it
yesterday on Anderson Cooper and I applauded her for it.

Keep talking, DNC, and let them know we are absolutely on to them.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:04 PM
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39. Well, there are still two lawsuits pending against the DNC
The Geller one is pending, and the one by DiMaio was dismissed in favor of the DNC but he is refiling in federal court and for the Supreme Court.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2137
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 02:31 PM
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43. It's about Time Somebody Does "Go There"
He made a great speech... I was very impressed.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 04:17 PM
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44. "5 intellectually bankrupt justices"
Edited on Mon Jun-02-08 04:17 PM by Time for change
That's much closer to the truth than you ever here uttered in public by a high ranking public figure.

I think a better word is "treasonous" or "corrupt to the core of their being". :mad:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 05:39 PM
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46. Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.
Kicked and recommended.:thumbsup:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:39 PM
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52. You are welcome.
I notice there is little coverage of what he said about Gore....but then the corporate media seldom ever mentions Gore.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:39 PM
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47. We've been so lucky to have both Howard Dean and Al Gore.
And now, we will take our country back with Barack Obama.

First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 11:56 PM
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53. I agree with you.
We have been lucky to have them.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:05 PM
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48. I want to see it in the history books!!!!!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 10:23 PM
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51. Howard is right on! Love that Howard!
:loveya: Howard!
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