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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:57 PM
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A future Ken Burns may note that on the night that the first African-American...
...became the Democratic Party's nominee that he was neither publicly congratulated for his win by the runner-up, nor did the runner-up publicly recognize their loss of the contest. And that, by and large, the night the contest for delegates concluded there was still some question as to whether his name would be removed from the ballot before or during the party's convention.

  While I have enjoyed the festivities of the day I am reminded that we are not always as far along as we might like, might hope, to think.



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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:03 PM
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1. Place the blame at the feet of Senator Clinton. She made the call,
it's her's to bear from this point forward.

And agree with you -- the film documentrians and the historians will be keeping a very close eye on the developments this week.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:15 PM
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2. I was thinking of a farther future, where the names Obama and Clinton would be as unfamiliar to...
..the layperson as Burr and Garfield are to most of us, today. And how that future would view us after the emotions of this night and the weeks and months to come have long heated white-hot and cooled forever and only the uncontroversial facts remain.

  But we do have some excellent documentarians in our time and they must be salivating over the warp and weft of this incredible tapestry of events even as it unfolds from the loom.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:32 PM
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4. Yikes, and sorry, Poll_Blind. Didn't realize the point you were
getting at.

My mistake.

Yes. Garfield & Burr. Sometimes i catch myself wondering what would have been the trajectory of our history if Meriwether Lewis had lived to seek the presidency and won, with the burden of knowing what would happen to the Louisiana Purchase trailing him into the White House. Or if we hadn't had that string of spectacularly crappy presidents leading up to Lincoln.

And if we could realize better that no one thought then that Lincoln was going to be any different, unless possibly worse than the previous 7 or 8 presidents.

But of course Lincoln did ok.

At other times I think of the savagery and brutality and remorsless clanging of power governments in the ancient world, and at just the moment when I become too one-mindedly condemning I realize that amid a lifetime of virtually uninterrupted warfare, Alexander might have sat on the shores of the Great Sea and quietly spoken his bones and blood to his friend, that amid the despair and destitution there is also poetry.

Tonight the Democrats have nominated a man who can give us more of Lincoln than of say, Pierce or Buchanan.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 09:21 AM
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5. Well-said! Sometimes it sucks living on the pages of history (when you...
...have to wait for the sun to turn the pages for you)

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:17 PM
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3. Correct, and it is a sad moment actually
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 09:51 AM
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6. After the savagery of character endured by Mrs. Clinton over the past
16 years, I think she has earned the right to take her time to end her campaign the way she feels is necessary. She will, I predict, be a strong fighter for Obama in November. However, many of Obama's supporters, who have shown utter lack of decency here and across the nation, will make it very difficult for a lot of Clinton supporters to vote for him in Nov. Heretofore, Obama has been campaigning with the "choir." He must now campaing in the congregation among which there are many detractors.

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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 09:58 AM
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7. The intent of my message was not about Obama or Clinton but about the first...
...African-American to gain enough votes to receive the Democratic party's nomination and how future historians will portray the uncontroversial facts of the day to posterity.

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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:14 AM
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8. I doubt future historians will be concerned about what Hillary
did or did not do to commemorate the moment.


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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 11:49 AM
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12. Funny, I don't doubt it a bit.
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LucyParsons Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:16 AM
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9. It has nothing to do with Obama being black and everything to do with Hillary being an asshole.
So I'm not sure what your point is.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 11:38 AM
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11. I think it has to do with how the future will view our present. But not through our eyes...
...through their eyes.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:17 AM
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10. Excellent post
I have no doubt that if the reverse were true, Obama would have conceded last night.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 11:51 AM
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13. Give me a break... NO WAY
He would take it to the convention and you know it.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 12:55 PM
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14. he has class and grace
so, no.
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