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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:37 PM
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Right wing ramping up "abstinence only" education again. Will Democrats cave again?
It was almost a year ago that our Congress under the control of the Democrats actually INCREASED funding for the teaching of abstinence only. Yes, I said they increased it.

Abstinence only education had been proven not to work, but they went ahead and increased the funding.

Abstinence-Only Campaign Ramps Up

As Congress debates whether to continue federal funding of abstinence-only sexuality education, the National Abstinence Education Association is launching an effort to organize a million supporters, with the help of the “Swift Boat Vets” PR firm.

“Parents for Truth” apparently aims to recruit support by the same method NAEA used in a poll last year: touting salacious details supposedly drawn from comprehensive sex ed curriculum and falsely implying that abstinence programs provide comparable information about contraceptives.

...."While recent studies have cast doubt on the effectiveness of abstinence-only programs to such an extent that even President Bush has seemed to back away from the fight, “Parents for Truth” is looking beyond the fight over federal funding, encouraging parents to push abstinence-only on a local level. Subscribers “will be provided information on what is going on in their state, in their community," said Huber. "nd they will also receive tools so that they can fight and win battles in their own schools on behalf of their children."


Here is the article from Tom Paine pointing out the way our Democrats caved on this issue and raised the funding in the face of evidence that it did not work.

Democrats increase funding for abstinence only education by 30%.

Back in November of 2006, after the Democrats won control of the House, what kind of odds do you think you would have gotten on the following scenario: With the Democrats in control, the appropriations cycle begins and the first big policy step the Democrats take on domestic reproductive health is to push through a 30 percent increase in abstinence-only-until-marriage programs that prohibit information about condoms and birth control. Oh, and by the way, that increase (to $140 million) is larger than any put forward in the last three years of the Republican-led Congress.

“Huh?” you might ask.


Now, let me make the scenario even better—or worse. What if you were told that just six weeks before the Appropriations Committee met, a major 10-year evaluation that Congress itself had mandated was released showing that abstinence-only programs had no impact on teen behavior? On top of that, what if you were told that the Society of Adolescent Medicine had released a report in 2006 stating that abstinence-only-programs “threaten fundamental human rights to health, information and life?”

And wait, there’s more. When Democrat Henry Waxman was the ranking minority member on government oversight back in 2004, his staff did a report on the content of abstinence-only programs that showed over 80 percent of the programs contained “false or misleading information.” All the way back in 2000, the Institute of Medicine, the nation’s leading authority on public health, had called for the termination of abstinence-only programs because they represent “poor fiscal and public health policy.”


Here is more about the actions of the Demcrats on this issue last year.

If they keep running the other way...

"The Democratic leadership of the House Appropriations Labor, Health and Human Service, and Education (LHHS) Sub-Committee set science and commonsense aside by increasing the funding for discredited abstinence-only-until-marriage programs. Despite a congressionally mandated report that found these programs do not work to help teens delay sexual initiation, House leadership allocated $141 million (an increase of $27.8 million) to continue feeding America's young people misinformation.

"Let's face it, with friends like these, who needs conservative Republicans?" said James Wagoner, President of Advocates for Youth.
"By continuing to fund these ineffective programs, the House Democratic leadership has signaled that the health and well-being of America's teens are not their priority. Young people and their parents should be outraged"


Not only that, they even went so far as to fail to fund emergency contraception on military bases. From the link above:

"On Wednesday, May 16, advocates were optimistic that legislation requiring emergency contraception to be stocked on all military bases would pass in the House. “We had the votes on Wednesday night. Things were looking good,” says Monica Castellanos, press secretary for Rep. Michael Michaud (D-Maine), one of the lead co-sponsors of the amendment that was scheduled for a vote the next day. But then, something mysterious happened.

For reasons that remain unclear, Michaud withdrew the legislation the
next morning. According to Castellanos, it was purely a logistical snafu: “Key supporters had to be in their districts.” But sources close to the issue tell a different story: The legislation, an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act, with bipartisan support, was dropped by a Democratic leadership unwilling to go to bat for pro-choice issues. Despite Michaud’s confidence that the votes were there, Democratic leadership wasn’t so sure, and they didn’t want to hang around long enough to find out. The legislation might not have sunk, but they jumped ship anyway."


So many facts have come out about how harmful the program is that states are even refusing to accept funding if they have to teach it.

States Rejecting "Abstinence-Only" Funding

A growing number of states are taking a stand and actually rejecting federal abstinence-only funds, reports Attkisson. New Mexico just became the 15th.

"The governors are saying; 'Even if this administration is going to continue to push abstinence-only, we in the states are going to do the right thing by teens and actually give them the information they need to actually prevent an unintended pregnancy,'" said Cecile Richards, the president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America.


We have probably not been keeping an eye on Congress with the excitement of the primary race. Maybe we should on a lot of issues, especially this one.

It was shameful for a Democratic congress to fund it out of fear of the right wing. Let's hope it doesn't happen again.

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:39 PM
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1. Why do they keep pushing this bullshit? They know it doesn't work!
You can teach abstinence as part of a comprehensive sex education program. I don't see why it always needs to be "abstinence ONLY."
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:44 PM
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2. they know what works, marketing-wise
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 10:45 PM by Gabi Hayes
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/bender2.html

Karl Rove & the Spectre of Freud’s Nephew

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country… We are governed, our minds molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized…"



Rove and his sleazy minions have clearly studied these two icons of modern marketing

fascinating piece that puts it all in perspective

mix in a little Ellul, and that's about all you need, along with a little electronic era fine tuning
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:56 PM
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7. That is an excellent article. It is essentially an introduction into mass propaganda.
It should be required reading for all Americans.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:38 AM
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13. Excellent article on propaganda...I just read the whole thing.
Thanks for posting the link.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:45 PM
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3. Religious evangelicals oppose anything that would remotely resemble teaching them safe sex.
Because that, in their mind, is immoral. The only tolerable thing for them is to teach them that abstinence is best and that is all. No condoms available. No day after pill. Nothing. It flies in the face of trying to prevent teen pregnancies.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:50 PM
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4. You made me think of that ritual I read about a year or so ago.
The father puts a ring on the daughter's finger, if I have it right, and the daughter pledges to remain chaste. My 14 y/o daughter now has her first boyfriend. I prefer information and honesty.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:55 AM
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15. That's the "Purity Ball," a DU favorite
It's more than just a ritual. It's essentially a full-blown prom with two differences: you go with your dad instead of a guy from your school, and the afterparty involves neither drinking nor sex.

The sex comes six months later when your daughter goes out on a date with a guy who, unbeknownst to you, specializes in one-night stands with Purity Girls.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 12:15 PM
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21. That is such a weird ritual.
There is something strange about it.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 03:48 PM
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24. I'll tell you exactly what's so strange about it
They take these little six-year-old girls who are still in their "boys are icky" phase, and make them swear not to have SEX until they've entered into a covenant marriage.

Six years old. Can girls even HAVE sex at six without suffering major structural damage? I've looked at imagery from these atrocities. I've looked into these girls' eyes. Basic Training is more fun. Anyone who MIGHT be able to have sex has that "I was ordered to come to this" look; the under-nine girls were obviously bribed with fancy dresses and lipstick. (Hint to parents of 90 percent of all little girls: one $7 lipstick will motivate your daughter to singlehandedly clean out your haunted warehouse, change the oil in your logging truck or castrate this year's calf crop.) I would be shocked if I were to learn, from a source that did NOT have the word "reverend" in front of his name, that going to one of these things was the idea of any girl in America.

Still, it's better than the other way they get girls to take one of these sexlessness pledges. Some of the churches in this area like to have an event where you bring your daughter to church and demand she pledge her chastity right now. I figure that with the Purity Ball, at least the daughter knows what's going on...let's see, your parents wear out two Bibles a year, all your friends and all THEIR friends go to the same church, you're enrolled in Awana and Upward, there's a banner on the church advertising this ball, and all of a sudden you've got an appointment to pick out a gown, one to get it fitted, a nail appointment, a hair & makeup appointment and a scheduled trip to the florist; most girls are smart enough to understand what's happening. Whereas the other way...tell your daughter that you want to go shopping for nail polish and take her to the church instead (a woman at Home Depot when I worked there actually set her daughter up in exactly this way).

I said it before and I'll say it now: if you morans don't want your kids having sex, you're going to have to turn off the teenage libido. There's only one way to do that, and it's brutal but effective: take every teenage boy in school, lock them in a room with the biggest plasma TV you can find, and play them every single episode of the original Star Trek series. See, if you turn all the boys into Trekkies it will solve the problem of teenage lust--Trekkies can't get laid.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:25 PM
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29. only one thing you missed - teenage girls lust, too.
So, unless these folks want the girls having sex with each other, better figure out what to do to turn the girls off as well.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:23 PM
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28. well, we assume the ball doesn't end in sex.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:52 PM
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5. Woohoo! Get ready for another population explosion!
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:54 PM
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6. Or more teen abortion. Really. nt
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:24 PM
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8. Abstinence works, but "abstinence only" education doesn't. n/t
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 11:25 PM by hughee99
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:33 PM
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10. Very true. Heh heh
Good point. :-)
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:32 PM
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9. Anytime anyone has "... for Truth" in their title, I know it's a lie.
Why else would they need to advertise they're "for truth?"
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:01 AM
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11. Good point.
:hi:
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:13 AM
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12. The headlines should read: religious right launches campaign to outlaw hormones!
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 01:13 AM by DFW
No more War on Poverty (ca. 1965).

Now the whacko right wants a War on Puberty (to curb the Copulation Explosion).

Where is the Guns'N'God crowd here? If their god had all this intelligent design,
then puberty and hormones were part of it and suppression goes against their god's
will. Is the rest of American supposed to wait until every one of these self-
appointed "leaders" has been exposed for their own "youthful indiscretions," for
which they will apologize and (maybe) resign, but only once their own scandals
have been made public?

The Democratic party has no business swallowing this kind of snake oil. I'd bet that
even most Republicans don't believe it. They are just cynical enough to make good
use of it. Our people in COngress need to see though the ruse and do the opposite.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:57 AM
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14. Using it as a wedge issue. I agree.
:hi:
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:58 AM
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I work at in inner city school and they have this Urban Family Council
group that comes in and talks to the kids every friday about inner city related stuff. One of the time they came they went on and on about Abstinence being the only way. I was banging my head against the wall the whole time.

:banghead:
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:03 PM
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27. and let me guess
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 04:03 PM by Iris
NONE of the girls got pregnant for the rest of the year! Right?

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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:58 AM
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16. Dupe!
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 10:59 AM by Snarkturian Clone
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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 10:58 AM
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17. Trip!
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 10:59 AM by Snarkturian Clone
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:38 PM
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19. Wow, pretty unusual to have a triplicate.
:hi:
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 11:17 AM
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18. Real goals of "Abstinence Only"
Edited on Fri Jun-06-08 11:17 AM by lolly
The real goal of all these programs/ideologies is the control of the population in general.

Induce frustration + guilt-->anger

Then they can harness that anger and use it to their benefit.

There is also a strong sadism element--shame and punish young women for their sexuality. I truly believe they get off on all that. The extreme version of this stones the young women, but here in the U.S. we used to kick them out of school, coerce them to give up their babies, watch some of them die in back-alley abortions, and condemn the rest to a life of shame.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 09:51 PM
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20. This blog reminded me of something in 1994 that I had forgotten.
They are baaack..abstinence only

Mentions Jocelyn Elders, and reminds us that fear of the right wing is not new.

I am still looking for any info about funding the program this year. No luck.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 12:45 PM
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22. Yeah, just like they abstain from adultery, hookers, etc, talk about hypocrisy.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 02:17 PM
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23. This is overt misogyny, on so many levels
and it endlessly amazes me that women agree to give their power away, they are shamed into it. These laws are made for third world countries, not the USA.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 03:57 PM
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25. What's so bad about abstinence?
At least for teenagers, anyway?

We have more important things to worry about.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 03:58 PM
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26. Um... it doesn't work?
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 03:59 PM by Iris
Further, very few people remain abstinent all their lives, so a little information from the get go might make life easier for some.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 06:41 PM
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38. ITA. The more information, the more might choose not to get
involved in it before they are ready for it.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 04:39 PM
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47. Yes. In fact, I think that might be the case more likely than not.
It was for me.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 04:31 PM
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30. It's dangerous to withhold info about protection and birth control.
Trust me, I have seen some of the abstinence teaching, and they don't even in many cases admit that a condom will help prevent STDs.

Come on, we live in enlightened times...They want to go back to the dark ages.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 05:03 PM
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32. Do you want to ENFORCE abstinence for teenagers by denying them
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 05:04 PM by defendandprotect
contraceptives . . . ???

And an understanding of normal human sexuality until they are . . . how old?

18, 19, 20, perhaps?



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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 05:25 PM
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34. although... denying them contraceptives and information will not actually enforce abstinence
Has there ever been a time in history when teenagers did not have sex? At least some of them?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 05:49 PM
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36. Of course not . . . what I was suggesting is that some THINK they can enforce it in
this way--

Like circumcisions to prevent masturbation . . . ???

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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 04:39 PM
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46. I know, I know!
This subject just infuriates me though and I can be strident about it!
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 06:42 PM
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39. Exactly, but why should those who do create a new imperative?
Plenty of teenagers are NOT ready and they should not feel like they are somehow off, or wrong.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 04:37 PM
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44. It's not a new imperative.
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 07:58 PM
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49. When adults fail to inform them...
when they ask the important questions, kids turn to each other. Never a good idea.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 06:47 PM
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42. They need to be taught "safe" methods.
Just not doing it...of course works. But they ARE doing it, and they need to be taught safe methods.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 06:40 PM
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37. No, not for those who insist
on doing it.

But there are many who wouldn't if they didnt' feel that social pressure to do it.

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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 04:38 PM
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45. They don't feel the social pressure from sex education.
They feel the social pressure from their peers and the media.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 05:31 PM
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35. Waste of money. Or more precisely, money going to groups that perpetrate fraud.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 05:00 PM
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31. They should not only give them the information - they have a moral right to it -
Edited on Sat Jun-07-08 05:02 PM by defendandprotect
but everywhere birth control should be freely available to them --

It sickens me to watch parents who are more concerned about controlling their children's lives

than protecting them --



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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 05:18 PM
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33. This really pisses me off. What a WASTE of taxpayer money and a joke of a
program. It's an "educational" program that refuses to educate. :puke:
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 06:43 PM
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40. Someone should do a study...
...to find out what the correlation between abstinence-only classes and "Acts of God" (such as tornadoes and floods, etc.)

Since the GOP believe that God will smote the sinners, those areas that force abstinence-only indoctrination should be weather-free.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-07-08 06:46 PM
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41. I have no problem wirh "abstinence"...
being brought to attention. But what is more viable and realistic is proper sex education. "abstinence only" is not going to work, roll it into sex education and you will have more luck.

The Reich Wing is never right about anything, they are only concerned about the continuation of their agenda. If I was in a political position, I would just ignore them all together.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 04:41 PM
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48. Right. Unfortunately, this is not about teaching kids they might not be ready to have sex,
Edited on Sun Jun-08-08 04:41 PM by Iris
it's simply prescribing for all people that the only legitimate form of sex is between married people, and beyond that no one needs to know anything else.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 12:30 AM
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43. Hey the Repuke's in Congress can't keep it in their pants........
perhaps they need abstinence themselves.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 08:08 PM
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50. They would be more successful if they would provide good intra-mural sports
and after school club programs to keep the kids busy and to make sure they have adult supervision at all times.

In at least one Republican County that I know of, they eliminated intra-mural sports in middle school to cut costs. Why is that bad? Because there are too many households with both parents working and plenty of empty houses available for impromptu parties. Find the high school with the highest level of STDs, and I'll show you a city which hasn't provided enough positive extra-curricular activities to keep the kids busy.
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