Can we impeach now, or does this position still make me "shrill" ...

Can we impeach now, or does this position still make me "shrill" ...



Today, the LA Times has a good summary of excerpts from the report, which highlight the chasm between what was said by the President and Vice President, and what was actually known:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-intel6-2008jun06,0,7603497.story?track=rss

Statements in dozens of prewar speeches and interviews created the impression that Baghdad and Al Qaeda had forged a partnership. But the report concludes that such assertions "were not substantiated by the intelligence" being shown to senior officials at the time.

Claims that Sept. 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta had met with an Iraqi agent in Prague, for example, were dubious from the beginning and subsequently discounted. The idea that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein had provided chemical and biological weapons training to Al Qaeda hinged on intelligence from a source who soon was discredited.

Bush officials strayed even further from the evidence in suggesting that Hussein was prepared to provide weapons of mass destruction to Al Qaeda terrorist groups -- a linchpin in the case for war.

In October 2002, for example, Bush warned in a key speech in Cincinnati that "secretly, and without fingerprints, Saddam could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own." The threat was repeated frequently in the run-up to war but was "contradicted by available intelligence information," the committee says.

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Other findings show that it seems Pentagon officials were duped by known Iranian counterintelligence. From McClatchy:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/40080.html

A small group of Pentagon officials collected dubious intelligence on Iraq and Iran from Iranian exiles whom Defense Department counterintelligence investigators said might have "been used as agents of a foreign intelligence service ... to reach into and influence the highest levels of the U.S. government," the Senate Intelligence Committee reported Thursday.

The revelation raises questions about whether Iran may have tried to use a small cabal of officials in the Pentagon and in Vice President Dick Cheney's office to feed bogus intelligence on Iraq and Iran to senior policymakers in the Bush administration who were eager to oust the Iraqi dictator and who remain determined to combat what President Bush this week called an "existential" threat from Iran.

A 2003 report by the Pentagon's Counterintelligence Field Activity, the Senate committee said, concluded that Michael Ledeen, the American civilian who brokered the contacts through Manucher Ghorbanifar, an Iranian exile whom the CIA in 1984 labeled a "fabricator," and other Iranians "was likely unwitting of any counterintelligence issues related to his relationship with Mr. Ghorbanifar."

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http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/todays_must_read_348.php

What could possibly be more important than executing these people for high treason?

Maybe, most figure impeachment wouldn't be practical, AT THIS TIME. Hopefully, justice will be sought when there is more equal footing (e.g. the power-mongering bullies are no longer in the seats of power).

I can only hope, of course.

Yet another example of mass thought control in society.

leave the White House. Can't let them leave Washington cause they'll flee the country and it would be hard to get them extradited, cause you can bet your sweet bippie they'll be in countries without extradition agreements.

through the process on just how this ruse was carried out. Dana, how about it?

"The revelation raises questions about whether Iran may have tried to use a small cabal of officials in the Pentagon and in Vice President Dick Cheney's office to feed bogus intelligence on Iraq and Iran to senior policymakers in the Bush administration who were eager to oust the Iraqi dictator and who remain determined to combat what President Bush this week called an "existential" threat from Iran".

edit to add, I doubt chimp knows what "existential" even means.

to make sure the American public was aware of all the lies. I think, at this point, prison is preferable to impeachment.

When Clarke was talking about this (not sure which program... he's been on several) he was asked if this situation didn't merit impeachment, since a blow job did - and that was Clarke's response. He also said the people in this administration should not be allowed to take jobs at universities (such as John Yoo) or be lobbyist or take positions in think tanks or with companies that do biz with the govt.

He said they need to be punished. And they do.

We have war criminals in charge of this nation and if we do not deal with them, other nations will. And if we don't deal with them, other nations will rightly see the U.S. as a banana republic... still.

The lawyer guy from GBrit - Phillipe... brought up the idea of a truth and reconciliation commission too as a way to deal with the war criminals of the Bush Administration. He also said the equivalent to the Gbrit Attn. Gen. has already expressed an interest in arresting and trying members of the Bush admin. if they set foot in England.

They will, hopefully, be destroyed because of their actions. It's the least we can do for the thousands of soldiers and hundreds of thousand of innocent Iraqis who lost their lives.

,...I would certainly consider it a step towards reconciliation.

However,...my God,...when I reflect on all the horrors resulting from their actions,...I wonder how much (i.e. punishment) would be enough to satisfy my own personal sense of justice. I mean, I really feel their property and liberty should be taken given the extent of harm done to so many.

and they certainly should not be able to profit from their actions.

,...to me, THAT WOULD BE RECONCILIATION WITH SUBSTANCE!!!

The profiteering is disgusting and, if legislated as serious criminal offenses, would seriously deter unnecessary warring.

except for Rove and Cheney. Meet with Bush directly with bipartisan group. Threaten, bully, and point out his possible future behind bars in Turkey.

And they are still lying about Iran being a threat. Even Obama is still pretending Iran is a threat.

There is something terribly wrong with this country.

if these crimes go unpunished, the us stands for nothing. just nothing.

but also tried for War Crimes.

If you remember, first two indictments at Nurenberg were:

* Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of crime against peace
* Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and other crimes against peace

I think Bush administration and all congress critters that voted for the war (Hillary and Kerry included) should be charged with War Crimes and hauled off to prison.

And if you are serious, you would need to add Obama as well. Since he was voting "yes" on war appropriation bills every time and thus participating in "waging wars"

... then make Bush resign or face impeachment.

Trust me, I'm no McCain fan, but you've gotta throw the Rethugs some sort of bone to get them to come on board with this thing. You could reasonably argue that allowing McSame a few months in the White House will give him a leg up on Obama come election time. I happen to believe that it will have the opposite effect, actually (the country will learn what a doddering fool he is) but I think it's worth the gamble.

No immunity for Bush or Dr. Evil by the way. Both will be vulnerable to criminal prosecution as private citizens.

One more thing: As a condition for his appointment, McSame must agree not to pardon either Bush or Darth.

I am ready, been ready for several years now.

Shouldn't that be the place to start?

There's still time!

Clinton impeachment timeline

Given that much of the work leading up to a potential Bush-Cheney impeachment has already been done, if you join the Clinton timeline already in progress -- perhaps at Sep. 9, 1998, the point when Ken Starr submitted his documents to the House -- then the Senate would be voting on Bush and Cheney's conviction at right about Election Day.

In other words, if we start now, we could have both of them out of here by November.

More importantly, as the Rethugs knew all too well, it's difficult for a President to stick to his agenda while he's mustering an impeachment defense. That might be just what we need to keep Bush and Cheney from attacking Iran.

He's sure on board.

We're a nation of cowards and criminals unless and until Cheney, Bush, and their cabal of corrupt profiteers are prosecuted and imprisoned for the rest of their miserable lives for their war crimes.

There is nothing to investigate. No fact witnesses. No "smoking gun" to find. Everything is already on the public record.

A simple up or down House vote for or against torture(ers) and terrorizing The American People with lies of "Mushroom Clouds!!" ought to sail through.

Then a day or two in the Senate for James A. Baker to prattle on about how the WMD were "counted, and recounted, and recounted" and how Plame's WMD-tracking network had to be rolled up so "grown-ups" could take charge of all that yellow cake.

And then, at long last, the DC/Euphemedia Analstocracy might break out of its self-induced coma to DO SOME DAMN THING about the serial treason against our once-great nation, that's been underway since the Felonious Five took the sovereign American People "out of the loop" -- making us fair game for 9-11 and legally and morally liable for nazi-like atrocities worldwide.

Impeachment remains the ONLY moral, patriotic option that can even begin to Redeem Our National Soul.

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Impeach the bastard already!

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There probably would be better ways to sabotage Obama's campaign than introducing impeachment procedings - shooting him, for example - but it would be a pretty darn good one.

Bush will be gone in six months. McCain would last for four years.

To believe that anyone was fooled into this war is naive to the extreme. We need to purge the government of the Corporate Fascist Neos to make any kind of progress but they are so entrenched it's virtually impossible. Many Democrats are as responsible for this situation as anyone. They are either on the side of the bad guys or are being blackmailed. Impeachment was warranted five years ago.