The oil/gas crisis is a hoax to take your money!

That is basically the message delivered by Lindsey Williams in this video speech.

Lindsey Williams is a Baptist minister who was recruited to be the Chaplin at the Alaskan North Slope oil fields. During his three years there, he became close friends with some of the top oil executives. Williams was even invited to attend their business meetings, and usually did. As a result he became painfully aware of their agenda to control the economies of the world. As years went by, Williams felt he could no longer keep quiet about this agenda for world control and he wrote a book about it.

The linked speech will make your hair stand on end. Even for a minister trained in oratory, Lindsey Williams is very articulate and clear as he makes his profound statements. I found his speech difficult to turn off as I listened. I did pause it though, so it would completely download before I watched the whole thing - to make it run smoother.

Should we be paying $4 or $5 a gallon for gas, or instead $1.50 as Williams says we would be if not for the manipulation we are enduring?

I've heard him before and I agree, hair stood on end. And I don't doubt his reports in the least.

And I think most of us believe it's a result of manipulation. But I'm paying $4 a gallon at the pump. Now. Knowing why isn't helping me.

My anger for those who KNEW this was happening and did nothing, grows exponentially.

I hate to say it, but just voting new people in will not change anything. The system is too corrupted by money and those who control it.

We, the people, must take charge ourselves. Former Senator Mike Gravel gave us the means to take over from our corrupt government, and without any violence. Gravel gave us the National Initiative for Democracy! Vote for it!

That solultion works for me.

Usually.

Life is good. :smoke:

And a heck of a lot of fun:



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and work harder for lower salaries.

cut it out!

The "top oil executives" control 9% of world supply.
If they gave their oil away for free, prices would drop by 9% at most. All the way down to about $126.00/barrel.

Everybody is so hot to jump on the first scapegoat that comes along. Anything to deny the bald faced fact that Americans use way to much o9il and demand is growing faster than supply. Never mind reality, by god, we have a scapegoat. Get out the torches and pitchforks. Be outraged. Shout it to the heavens above! We have a scapegoat! We don't need no stinking reality.

Are you one of the manipulators?

Have you watched the video? This guy was practically an insider as he attended their meetings. He makes a hell of a lot of sense. I can't vouch for Williams. But I can't vouch for those who manipulate the news and prices either. We need to get control of all this fraud.

I think high oil prices are a problem and that some of it is due to market manipulation. But I also think it's a good deal more complex than the picture painted in this video. Conspiracy theories are not usually a reliable guide to world events, and people who go around saying 'who's side are you on' are not only ungrammatical but usually incapable of seeing the big picture.

If you want to know more about the oil market, high prices and so on, this is a good site to get started at: you'll learn a lot if you read it for a few months: http://www.theoildrum.com/

Lindsey Williams seems quite credible to me.

I don't know if you have actually watched this video, but you certainly didn't watch it since I posted this thread - the video is over an hour long.

I am one of the people who tends to look at the big picture rather than little details. If you get bogged down in details, you will not see the forest due to all the trees.

I strongly believe that the complications we see expounded everywhere are largely created in order to confuse the public. It's a tool of manipulation. Occam's razor does a good job with this.

It's been around for a while. And I am interested, or I wouldn't know who the guy is in the first place. But your 'big picture - it's so simple' approach often ends up being merely simplistic. It's not a confusing detail to note the massive growth in the in India and China and their ever-increasing thirst for fuel. Nor is it irrelevant to note the falling value of the dollar as a factor.

Do I think the oil companies are nice people? No. But I prefer to base my arguments against them on more substantial ground than this.

We are having a national crisis - a crisis in information (bad media), in voting (hackable electronic machines), in politics (special interest money corruption), and in the economy (which private banks, the Fed, and the oil cartel are all controlling).

And of course, they control our military through the government.

In an email today, Mike Gravel stated:

We saw that electing more Democrats to Congress did not end the war in Iraq. If the People could have voted, I believe our troops would be home already. If the People could vote, I believe we would re-direct our national priorities away from the bloated military-industrial complex; away from the "war" on drugs, which has resulted in more Americans in prison for non-violent behavior than any other country in the world; and away from government invasion of our personal privacy.

If the People could vote, I believe we would establish different priorities to ensure the civil liberties of all citizens; to repair our national infrastructure; to encourage solutions to our energy policies that respect the environment and don't create food shortages; to ensure access to healthcare; and to develop educational opportunities that will lead to a vibrant economy and a better future for our children and grandchildren.

Promoting the National Initiative was the reason I entered the presidential campaign - first as a Democrat and subsequently as a Libertarian after I realized that, contrary to myth, both major parties are controlled by the influences of Wall Street and the military-industrial complex. Our economy is in deep fiscal trouble, with a society that spends more than it earns, and with a nation purposely kept on a permanent war footing. I am sad to say, regardless of who wins in November, not a great deal will change.

People are constantly mixing up good intentions with the capability to bring them about.

But reality is what it is.

As I posted elsewhere, consider the sea-level analogy:

Global warming is raising sea levels.
Daily tides push sea level up and down.
Ten foot waves crash on the shore.

The rising sea level is the pressure from supply vs demand.
The daily tides are the seasonal factors like summer driving and winter heating.
The big waves are the speculators.

To say it's all big oil controlling prices is like watching the surf and ignoring the long-term sea level rise.

Sure, a LOT of the big bounces up and down on a daily basis are pure speculation. And a lot of surfers are getting rich riding those waves. But there aren't enough speculative dollars in the world economy to control the prices against the rising demand and stagnant supply. It's like trying to build sand castles to hold back the tide.

Sure, speculators are contributing to the chaos, but even without them the tide is rising, slowly and steadily. Going after scapegoats just diverts attention away from the real problem. Growing demand and stagnant supply. That problem is NEVER going away. And all the regulations and investigations in the world will never bring back cheap oil. Ever.

I used to trade commodities, and successfully I might add.

If what this man (Williams) says is true, we are not anywhere near "peak oil". Williams says just the North Slope has enough oil and gas to last us 200 years. And he says Russia has discovered another major field.

I have no doubt that we are being manipulated. Our media information sources are being run by corporate interests, the ones controlling the manipulation.

The US currently uses about 20 million barrels of oil per day.

20 million X 365 = 7.3 billion barrels.

7.3 billion X 200 (as in "enough oil and gas to last us 200 years") - 1.46 trillion barrels.

The largest oil field ever discovered in the world, Ghawar, is estimated to contain about 170 billion barrels OOIP, at least according to Saudi Aramco, though recoverables would have to be well below that - probably on the order of 80 - 90 billion barrels.

Given that Ghawar is 174 miles long, and averages 16 miles in width, how could exploration on the North Slope have missed a formation which would have to contain at least ten times as much oil as Ghawar, allowing for the difference between OOIP and EUR? How could they POSSIBLY have missed any formation so gigantic as what you claim lies below the North Slope?

Oh, but I forgot, it's all a conspiracy!!! Check your brains at the door and enjoy the political & economic equivalent of Jerry Bruckheimer-inspired CGI.

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I'd say Williams is still close friends with those oil executives. If the U.S. public recognizes that this really is the end of inexpensive oil and we start to respond appropriately by reducing our demand ahead of the price curve, then the oil companies don't make as much money.

What if we started throwing our SUVs and short hop airliners into the smelter to build high speed electric rail systems, 100 mpg cars, and made vast improvements to our public transit systems? What if we cut the oil companies out of the loop? That would be bad for their profits.

Instead the oil companies will string us along with false hopes and vague conspiricy theories until they've squeezed every dollar out of us they can.

There is no question we need to explore all methods we can for energy. We should be doing research on all fronts, and the government should subsidize the most promising and safe technologies.

But the oil companies can make a huge profit fast right now by convincing us of a false crisis - a crisis they make artificially. I believe Lindsey Williams.

I'll give you $75.00 if you promise to fill my 18 gallon gas tank at my local ARCO station a year from now.

No, not really, I'm not going to send a stranger $75, but bookmark this post and get back to me 6/6/09. I'd like to be wrong, but I've got this dreadful feeling I'm not.

The whole reason for my post was to inform those who think we actually have a crisis.

I would not be surprised if the manipulators continued to succeed in their effort to rob us. I hope viewers of the video will be outraged and revolt. If the public does not come out of its stupor and show their outrage of our leaders today, we are lost.

By the way, I no longer believe in the free market. I don't think a free market is possible after watching market action during my lifetime. I have also come to believe that money is not a requirement for the success of civilization. It is worthless as a commodity.

Just like global warming is a fake crisis?

Some facts are hard to swallow, so people stay in denial for a long, long time.

Current production, 85 million barrels per day. Current demand around 86.5 million. Demand is not keeping up with supply. Period. End of story.

It makes me sick. It means I can't afford medication.

Oil's on the decline.

Let's deal with it -- not whine like a bunch of addicts.

OH wait, silly me the powers that be in the government already know about this. I wonder if Obama can do anything or will these people try to do away with him.

I would not be the least bit surprised if the "deceased" Ken Lay was involved on some level.