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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 12:24 AM
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Former NSA director, "By any measure the US has long used terrorism"
Posted at Opednews.com April 2006:

NSA DIRECTOR ODOM DISSECTS IRAQ BLUNDERS

by Michael Hammerschlag

Former National Security Agency Director Lt. General William Odom dissected the strategic folly of the Iraq invasion and Bush Administration policies in a major policy speech-America's Strategic Paralysis- at Brown University for the Watson Institute. "The Iraq War may turn out to be the greatest strategic disaster in American history. In a mere 18 months we went from unprecedented levels of support after 9-11..to being one of the most hated countries. Turkey used to be one of strongest pro-US regimes, now we're so unpopular, there's a movie playing there- Metal Storm, about a war between US and Turkey. In addition to producing faulty intel and ties to Al Qaida, Bush made preposterous claim that toppling Saddam would open the way for liberal democracy in a very short time... Misunderstanding the character of American power, he dismissed the allies as a nuisance and failed to get the UN Security Council's sanction. We must reinforce international law, not reject and ridicule it."

SNIP

Even if the invasion had gone well, Odom says it wouldn't have mattered: "The invasion wasn't in our interests, it was in Iran's interest, Al Qaida's interest. Seeing America invade must have made Iranian leaders ecstatic. Iran's hostility to Saddam was hard to exaggerate.. Iraq is now open to Al Qaida, which it never was before- it's easier for terrorists to kill Americans there than in the US.. Neither our leaders or the mainstream media recognize the perversity of key US policies now begetting outcomes they were designed to prevent. 3 years later the US is bogged down in Iraq, pretending a Constitution has been put in place, while the civil war rages, Iran meddles, and Al Qaida swells its ranks with new recruits.. We have lost our capacity to lead and are in a state of crisis- diplomatic and military."

He decried the "sophomoric and silly" titled war on terrorism. "Terrorism cannot be defeated because it's not an enemy, it's a tactic. A war against Al Qaida is sensible and supportable, but a war against a tactic is ludicrous and hurtful- a propaganda ploy to swindle others into supporting one's own terrorism .. and encourages prejudices against Muslims everywhere. What if we said, 'Catholic Christian IRA hitmen?'"

"The hypocrisy is deeper than this. By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In 1978-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism- in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation." (my emphasis /jc)

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_michael__060422_nsa__director__odom_.htm

Link to audio of Odom's speech (Real Player) http://hammernews.com/odom.ram
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 12:28 AM
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1. Two very different fast thoughts:
Rev. Wright was right, and

the blivet 'accomplished' whatever mission he wanted. That's what makes me so angry; how and why did he get away with this without Congress not doing something about it, like shackles?
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 01:10 PM
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5. Operation Northwoods
"Several proposals were listed. One was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign" against the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. Others were real or simulated actions against various U.S military and civilian targets."

Approved by the US Joint Chiefs of Staff and submitted to the President

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

The Wiki article understates the significance of what the Joint Chiefs approved & submitted.

The Full Operation Northwoods document http://www.smeggys.co.uk/operation_northwoods.php
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:35 PM
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13. With plans like these, who needs 19 Hijackers?
Plane Swapping
8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods


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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 09:29 AM
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23. John Glenn was a possible target.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 09:32 AM
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24. Read "Body of Secrets" by James Bamford. He has it right. I can
verify some selected parts of the book, especially the part about the USS Liberty. He writes extensivily about Operation Northwoods.
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 11:54 AM
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k/r nt
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 11:54 AM
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2. k/r nt
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 12:34 PM
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3. k & r
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 01:08 PM
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4. kick n/t
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 01:10 PM
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6. K+R
tag for later
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 01:19 PM
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7. Kicked and recommended for the common sense recognition of Orwellian thought and language.
To General Odom.:patriot:

Thanks for the thread, JohnnyCanuck.

P.S. I would add the same to the ludicrous Orwellian "War Against Drugs" mentality as well.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 03:13 PM
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9. You're welcome. n/t
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 01:23 PM
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8. K&R, How's the War on Drugs going?

The "Deep State" has siphoned off many $billions on the drug trade, now they are doing the same with terrorism.
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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 04:56 PM
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10. K&R
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:22 PM
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11. wow, my accidental double kick this A.M. brought an additional 25 recs-will try that more often! nt
Edited on Sun Jun-08-08 08:23 PM by fed-up
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 08:25 PM
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12. Brilliant
Terrorism cannot be defeated because it's not an enemy, it's a tactic. A war against Al Qaida is sensible and supportable, but a war against a tactic is ludicrous and hurtful- a propaganda ploy to swindle others into supporting one's own terrorism...
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-08-08 11:22 PM
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14. K&R n/t

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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:04 AM
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15. K&R
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 12:34 AM
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16. Kick
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 02:21 AM
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17. Awesome. But not too shocking anymore, is it?
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RoseMead Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 09:25 AM
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22. Sadly, no. n/t
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 06:44 AM
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18. "Voting only ratifies the constitutional deal that has been agreed to by elites..."
This passage is especially troubling insomuch as it sheds light on their mindset. Neocons and corpo elite around the world share this view of demockracy.

The fixation on spreading democracy was wrongheaded. "Holding elections is easy, creating stable constitutional orders is difficult. Only 8-9 of 50 new democracies created since the 40's have a constitutional system. Voting only ratifies the constitutional deal that has been agreed to by elites- people or groups with enough power- that is guns and money, to violate the rules with impunity. Voting does not cause a breakthrough. One group will win out and take them off the path to a liberal breakthrough. Spreading illiberal democracy without Constitutionalism is a very bad idea, if we care about civil liberties. We are getting that lesson again in Hamas."


This article is over two years old and its central theme is probably one of the many reasons that the dems won the minor majorities they now hold.

K & R
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 06:49 AM
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19. What a hero he was. May he Rest in Peace.
n/t
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 08:52 AM
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20. interesting that he agrees exactly with noam chomsky.
U.S. = world's biggest terrorist.

point 2. presence of constitution does not equal democracy.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 09:17 AM
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21. oh? we FOLLOW what we say- ahhh ww2 internment, gitmo, slavery...only until we dont need it
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 09:33 AM
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25. Noam Chomsky says the same thing...
...
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RedLetterRev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 09:37 AM
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26. Oh, it gets worse
So when are we going to get hold of Cheney's "shadow government" and the "official" spy and terrorist organization known as Blackwater? The thought of a private republican hired army who would give nary a moment's thought or remorse upon turning weapons on fellow American citizens seriously scares hell outta me. The domestic terrorist organizations don't stop at just the CIA. It's going to take a load of work and a lot of painful investigations to cleanse the government of these unconstitutional and dangerous shadow-governments and shadow-armies. Those have no other purpose than to create eternal war and to spy on domestic dissenters.

Read Scahill's latest: http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/87200/?page=1

May Chimp and Shooter rot in the prisons they've built for the rest of us.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 10:27 AM
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27. As in Operation Gladio -

The Strategy of Tension

We are at War

against International Terrorism,

defending our Values

and our Civilization.

Western anti-terror legislation does not allow the state to be considered in any way culpable for terrorist activities. As far as our elected representatives are concerned, terrorism is a problem of loosely associated groups of reactionary fanatics “attacking our freedoms”. The assumption, never explicitly stated for then it would be revealed, and easily and permanently ridiculed, is that the state is innocent, immune to indulging in such barbaric practices. Written into the rule of law itself, this assumption posits the state as a paternal Fuhrer, a God figure whom we must all entrust our lives and liberties to.

Yet whichever way you look at it, international terrorism has its origins in the state itself. There are many ways of understanding this, but perhaps the most pertinent for our purposes is contemporary history. We don’t need to go very far back either. Only twenty odd years, to the era of the Cold War, when we were also getting Trigger-Happy trying to defend the “Free World” from the “Evil Empire” of International Communism, as Ronald Reagan put it so aptly.

The “strategy of tension” denotes a highly secretive series of interconnected covert operations conducted jointly by the CIA and MI6 largely in Western Europe during the this period. Well-documented by several respected historians, confirmed by official inquiries, and corroborated by former intelligence officials, the “strategy of tension” is one of those unsavoury moments in contemporary history that we don’t learn about in school, or even university.

My favourite book on the subject, and the most authoritative in my view, is Dr. Daniele Ganser’s NATO’s Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe (2004). Published in the UK as part of the “Contemporary Security Studies” series of London-based academic press Routledge, Ganser’s study is the first major historical work to bring the “strategy of tension” into the mainstream of scholarship.

During the Cold War, indeed through to the late 1980s, the United States, United Kingdom, and Western European governments and secret services, participated in a sophisticated NATO-backed operation to engineer terrorist attacks inside Western Europe, to be blamed on the Soviet Union. The objective was to galvanize public opinion against leftwing policies and parties, and ultimately to mobilize popular support for purportedly anti-Soviet policies at home and abroad – most of which were really designed to legitimize brutal military interventions against nationalist independence movements in the “Third World”.

http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2007/05/strategy-of-tension.html
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 10:33 AM
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28. "By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In 1978-79 the Senate
was trying to pass a law against international terrorism - in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation."

Every now and then - actually with increasing frequency - I read a sentence or phrase that isn't at all funny, but has me doubled up with laughter. This would go to the top of any list, had I drawn one up. Oddly enough, another memorable one was on the same theme: a remark by John Pilger about special forces and commandos having to invade the beaches of Florida, in order to neutralise the largest concentration of terrorists in the world.
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