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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 01:46 AM
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French army falling apart, documents show.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/2084832/French-army-falling-apart%2C-documents-show.html

Most of France's tanks, helicopters and jet fighters are unusable and its defence apparatus is on the verge of "falling apart", it has emerged.

According to confidential defence documents leaked to the French press, less than half of France's Leclerc tanks – 142 out of 346 – are operational and even these regularly break down.

Less than half of its Puma helicopters, 37 per cent of its Lynx choppers and 33 per cent of its Super Frelon models – built 40 years ago – are in a fit state to fly, according to documents seen by Le Parisien newspaper.

Two thirds of France's Mirage F1 reconnaissance jets are unusable at present.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/2084832/French-army-falling-apart%2C-documents-show.html
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 01:53 AM
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1. OMG, will Bush invade France?
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 02:06 AM
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2. No... as they have demonstrated over and over again, they have nukes - n/t
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 06:01 AM
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7. ...and no oil
The repubublicon homelander cronies can't figure a way to make Massive Profit from invading France, or they probably would...
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 02:16 AM
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3. A nation of 60+ million should be able to afford to equip an army of 50,000 easily.
Why it doesn't is an issue French citizens should pick up with their elected leaders.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 05:11 AM
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4. Why? It's not like they have a hardon for invading people
To feed profits to a few greedy CEOs and politicians.

I think they're too busy taking 2 months of vacation every year and paying for national healthcare etc.

Good for them. They should be praised,.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 05:32 AM
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5. In a global world, you need a global military
Whether you want one or not, it's just part of how we structure society. The problem is that the US taxpayer has the burden of paying for that global military. It's the same idea behind national healthcare. The more people pay into the system, the less each person has to pay. The more people around the world that would pay for a military, the less everyone would have to pay. Since everyone else is taking 2 month vacations, and having national healthcare, the US taxpayer is the only person paying for a global military. Then we wonder why the US Government doesn't listen to anyone when the US Government wants to bomb someone. Who can stop it? Yeah, there are problems in Iraq, but the US Government went there, is there, and will remain there.
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 05:48 AM
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6. "it's just part of how we structure society"
And what a sick structure results, too.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 08:05 AM
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10. John Perkins,former economic hit man, knows just how sick.
Check out this Youtube video of John Perkins (author of "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man") explaining America's Secret Empire and how the game is rigged in the globalized economy to funnel the resources of poor countries to wealthy individuals and fat-cat multi-national corporations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0JCJ4pIFEw

"This incredible prosperity that we enjoy here is built on an empire. It's built on slavery and servitude and tremendous suffering. We don't stop to think about the fact that we represent less than 5% of the worlds population, and we consume more than 25% of the world's resources."

More Youtube videos with Perkins:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=john+perkins&search_type=&aq=f
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 08:37 AM
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11. I haven't read that one yet, but it's definitely on my list. Right now I'm working
my way through Greider: Secrets of the Temple, Fortress America, and Who Will Tell the People?
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 07:25 AM
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8. Maybe French citizens have.
Why should they spend their tax resources funding an army or navy. The overseas empires is largley gone. NATO and the U.S. are presumably the defenders of Western Europe. The largest deployed contingent of French military is the Foreign Legion. Look at what they get for their tax money vs what we get for ours.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 02:35 PM
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12. I don't know about that. Politics can cloud things in France just as it has in the US.
In the US, the taboo is that you should not cut military funding. In France, the taboo could be that you don't increase funding, simply because it is against the political orthodoxy.

Adequately maintaining an army of 50,000 is not the same as rebuilding France's former imperial armies of several hundred thousand in previous centuries. Not the same at all.

I don't think French citizens, if they are truly made aware of the state of their military, would honestly support the status quo on the issue. They'd likely demand that the government ensure that its military is prepared to defend France in a time when the world is once again moving into an age where multiple world powers exist instead of just one.

At the current rate, Switzerland is better prepared to defend itself in case of invasion than France. If the French don't want a traditional Prussian-model military, maybe they should re-structure their entire army along the lines of the Swiss militia system instead. The Swiss are likely better prepared than any other nation in Europe to defend its borders in the shortest amount of time given its decentralized nature.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 07:34 AM
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9. Those cheese eating Frenchmen are spending their money on fun things.
Like really fast sailboats:

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