Impeachment: Which of the 35 articles is likeliest to yield a CONVICTION?

A thread a couple of days ago asking which of the impeachment articles is most important led me to realize that importance in practical terms is actually the likelihood of yielding conviction and thus the removal of the criminal regime from office. Other crimes can then be pursued in a court setting. The highest priority is to end the immediate danger, so what's the best strategy?

Full text of resolution:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3418214

One conviction = removal from office.

So, which looks best for conviction?

(Note: Please kick this thread on the way out, pass on word of impeachment to everyone you know, and call a media contact or congressperson every day to voice your support!)

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Article I
Creating a Secret Propaganda Campaign to Manufacture a False Case for War Against Iraq

Article II
Falsely, Systematically, and with Criminal Intent Conflating the Attacks of September 11, 2001, With Misrepresentation of Iraq as a Security Threat as Part of Fraudulent Justification for a War of
Aggression

Article III
Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction, to Manufacture a False Case for War

Article IV
Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Posed an Imminent Threat to the United States

Article V
Illegally Misspending Funds to Secretly Begin a War of Aggression

Article VI
Invading Iraq in Violation of the Requirements of HJRes114

Article VII
Invading Iraq Absent a Declaration of War.

Article VIII
Invading Iraq, A Sovereign Nation, in Violation of the UN Charter

Article IX
Failing to Provide Troops With Body Armor and Vehicle Armor

Article X
Falsifying Accounts of US Troop Deaths and Injuries for Political Purposes

Article XI
Establishment of Permanent U.S. Military Bases in Iraq

Article XII
Initiating a War Against Iraq for Control of That Nation's Natural Resources

Article XIIII
Creating a Secret Task Force to Develop Energy and Military Policies With Respect to Iraq and Other Countries

Article XIV
Misprision of a Felony, Misuse and Exposure of Classified Information And Obstruction of Justice in the Matter of Valerie Plame Wilson, Clandestine Agent of the Central Intelligence Agency

Article XV
Providing Immunity from Prosecution for Criminal Contractors in Iraq

Article XVI
Reckless Misspending and Waste of U.S. Tax Dollars in Connection With Iraq and US Contractors

Article XVII
Illegal Detention: Detaining Indefinitely And Without Charge Persons Both U.S. Citizens and Foreign Captives

Article XVIII
Torture: Secretly Authorizing, and Encouraging the Use of Torture Against Captives in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Other Places, as a Matter of Official Policy

Article XIX
Rendition: Kidnapping People and Taking Them Against Their Will to "Black Sites" Located in Other Nations, Including Nations Known to Practice Torture

Article XX
Imprisoning Children

Article XXI
Misleading Congress and the American People About Threats from Iran, and Supporting Terrorist Organizations Within Iran, With the Goal of Overthrowing the Iranian Government

Article XXII
Creating Secret Laws

Article XXIII
Violation of the Posse Comitatus Act

Article XXIV
Spying on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Law and the Fourth Amendment

Article XXV
Directing Telecommunications Companies to Create an Illegal and Unconstitutional Database of the Private Telephone Numbers and Emails of American Citizens

Article XXVI
Announcing the Intent to Violate Laws with Signing Statements

Article XXVII
Failing to Comply with Congressional Subpoenas and Instructing Former Employees Not to Comply

Article XXVIII
Tampering with Free and Fair Elections, Corruption of the Administration of Justice

Article XXIX
Conspiracy to Violate the Voting Rights Act of 1965

Article XXX
Misleading Congress and the American People in an Attempt to Destroy Medicare

Article XXXI
Katrina: Failure to Plan for the Predicted Disaster of Hurricane Katrina, Failure to Respond to a Civil Emergency

Article XXXII
Misleading Congress and the American People, Systematically Undermining Efforts to Address Global Climate Change

Article XXXIII
Repeatedly Ignored and Failed to Respond to High Level Intelligence Warnings of Planned Terrorist Attacks in the US, Prior to 911.

Article XXXIV
Obstruction of the Investigation into the Attacks of September 11, 2001

Article XXXV
Endangering the Health of 911 First Responders

The odds are very significant (not impossible, but nearly) that it will never even go to the Senate. It's called "reality". It sucks, but welcome to it.

You raise the probability by believing and acting as if it has a chance.

The Bush regime is not planning to go quietly. They may yet expose themselves to justice in this most perilous time, both for the country and the world, and for them.

as kucinich said, if congress does nothing with these articles, he'll come back with 60. the bushies are in so deep in so much criminal activity. i can't choose one article. but rendition, torture, lying to congress and the people of the USA, imprisoning children, spying on citizens without a warrant, outing a covert spy, firing the attorneys for political reasons, letting new orleans drown, what else? how about over 4,000 dead americans in iraq and almost 3,000 dead on 911? because he didn't do his job. throw the book at him! something's gonna stick. the truth may will out, justice may have her day. you make a great point: You raise the probability by believing and acting as if it has a chance.

visualize impeachment. preach impeachment. keep those cards and letters and emails and phone calls coming. it can't hurt, and it just might help a lot.

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Article I - Downing Street Memo

Article III - Mushroom Cloud, Colin Powell and the glass vial.

Article V - Afghan funds diverted to Iraq.

Article XII - Or John McCain is a liar.

XIV - Scotty gave Bush up on this.

XXII - XXXII are plainly factual on their face.

So basically, I think 15 counts are un-defensible.

Can't even make an argument in the face of facts.

Forgive me.

Article XVII: Illegal Detention: Detaining Indefinitely And Without Charge Persons Both U.S. Citizens and Foreign Captives

:D

(The answer to everything)

:D

although there is enough already.

Not only unbefuckinglievable, but completely unnecessary. I really hope the whole terra scam unravels before fratboy and fatboy ride off into the sunset.

Article 6 says treaties entered into shall be the supreme
law of the land.

The Geneva Convention and the Nuremberg Principles are
treaties entered into.

How the manifest illegality of all the dirty US intel operations, including "outsourced" ones, goes unmentioned by anyone in Congress but Kucinich and maybe McKinney for decades is beyond me. :shrug:

This is why she had to go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eootfzAhAoU

Anyone who hasn't seen it, WATCH. I don't give a damn about her social skills or lack thereof, anyone in Congress who had the guts to ask those questions over and over was doing her job and doing it well. Too well for some, apparently.

Article 6 says treaties entered into shall be the supreme
law of the land.

The Geneva Convention and the Nuremberg Principles are
treaties entered into.

Torture is morally and legally wrong ANYWAY, but those two knock it out of the park.

War crimes. Done.

So treaties signed by the US aren't worth a bucket of warm spit, or sorry I'm mixing the metaphor. That's what we need to tell'em.

and the breaking of same being therefore illegal is too highly complicated for the comprehension of some. Never mind that pesky 'moral' thing. Ah, well.

allows you to murder today. Can't really do anything about it, you know?

It's not going anywhere. Time to focus on the election.

I know though that if this basic truth can be so resoundingly ignored by so-called 'politically active' persons who frequent a democratic discussion board, repeating it even 100 times will have no effect. So I won't repeat it. Glad you posted it though.

Great post. K&R

Article III
Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction, to Manufacture a False Case for War

Article IV
Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Posed an Imminent Threat to the United States

Article V
Illegally Misspending Funds to Secretly Begin a War of Aggression

Article VI
Invading Iraq in Violation of the Requirements of HJRes114

Article XIV
Misprision of a Felony, Misuse and Exposure of Classified Information And Obstruction of Justice in the Matter of Valerie Plame Wilson, Clandestine Agent of the Central Intelligence Agency

Article XVIII
Torture: Secretly Authorizing, and Encouraging the Use of Torture Against Captives in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Other Places, as a Matter of Official Policy

Article XIX
Rendition: Kidnapping People and Taking Them Against Their Will to "Black Sites" Located in Other Nations, Including Nations Known to Practice Torture

Article XXIV
Spying on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Law and the Fourth Amendment

Article XXV
Directing Telecommunications Companies to Create an Illegal and Unconstitutional Database of the Private Telephone Numbers and Emails of American Citizens

Serious Crimes have been commited & yet nothing is being done to hold anyone accountable.

Someone has to think these things through rationally.


Lying to the american public and/or congress, unless under oath (and he never is), is not illegal.


See Article I


See Article I


See Article I


As long as congress keeps writing a blank check, he can spend it any way he wants.


Could you point out the exact section he is in violation of. I couldn't find it (the section, not law)


And this would be different from Yugoslavia, 1st Gulf War, Panama, Grenada, Vietnam, Korea ... how?


UN Charter is not US law, cannot be used. POTUS can withdraw from any treaty at will.


And, but, so, therefore? Immoral yes. Despicable, yes. Illegal, not a chance.


See Article I


And the establishment of permanent US military bases in the UK, Germany, Italy, Korea, Japan, etc. is any different.


Last I looked, we didn't have control of Iraq's natrual resources.


This is what presidents do. They create "task forces" to create policy. They don't have to make it public.


Unless you can get one of the Bush cabal to testify against him that he ordered it there is no case.


He can provide immunity from prosecution for any federal charge he wants, it's called a pardon.


So he's a moron. See Article V


Could be, no one can argue that he didn't know it was going on by now. Problem is, SCOTUS only recently ruled on this.


Could be, but againt you need evidence that he personally directed it (and you won't get it).


See Article XVIII


And just which law is being violated?


See Article I


It's called an executive order.


Placing the national guard on the border is not a violation (it's partially what they are there for).


This is the most likely.


AFAIK, all the telecom companies either complied voluntarally or told him where to shove it.


Until he actually violates them, there is no law broken.


Which subpoena did he not comply with?


Good luck proving this.


Good luck proving this too. Making a law doesn't count.


See Article I


And which law is he personally to have violated?


See Article I


Just like FDR was impeached for ignoring and failing to respons to high level intelligence warning of planned japanese attacks.




How? He was too busy reading "My pet goat" to doo anything.

buzzwords designed to capture the imagination of the left-wing blogosphere. He engages in non-productive grandstanding like this for vanity and for donations, not because he thinks there's any legal case to be had.

Since they're dead and all, they are only "political" in that someone has callously minimized and ignored them as though they are meaningless. So, who has done this?

Kucinich is not the one who has pulled "a stunt."

"Left-wing blogosphere?" What could you possibly mean by that?

would be political as well.

I'm picking up a distinctly negative connotation. Since "politics" is the exercise of power in the public sphere or arena, what do you mean when you state "Impeachment is a ....".

their career/party, and not what they believe the merits of the case are. The particular charge discussed would be a very, very minor factor in the decision to vote for or against conviction.

If they spent a week on each charge that would just about hogtie the Manson family until they get evicted in January.

Impeachment is a fantasy.

Some fantasies are necessary, and through persistence come true.