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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:19 PM
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grave pissers are extremist kooks.
I remember when Paul Wellstone died and the nonsense I saw on those right wing sites - horrible. And don't forget Andy. The extremist freeps were so hateful. There's a whiff of that here today over Tim Russerts death. It's unfortunate.

That's all I wanted to say.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:21 PM
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1. Rec'd n/t
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:23 PM
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2. I agree.
Those here who are doing so soil this web site.
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Bob Dobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:27 PM
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3. Deification of someone for merely dying is rather kooky as well.
A little perspective would be valuable.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:33 PM
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5. Don't mix up admiration and respect with deification.
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 12:34 PM by ourbluenation
nobody is deifying tim russert here.
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Bob Dobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:37 PM
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10. OK, admiring and respecting someone for merely dying is rather kooky.
He was no friend of progressives.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:44 PM
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16. i don't think people are saying they admire and respect him for dying. n/t





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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:00 PM
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20. I think you just made his point.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:26 PM
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25. "Russert was a SAINT!"
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 01:27 PM by Bluebear
That thread qualifies, no? :evilgrin:
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:29 PM
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30. yep - that's kooky too.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:18 AM
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37. Technically, that's canonization, not deification.
;)
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:16 AM
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36. Give us one link -- just one link -- to a comment on DU that deifies Tim Russert.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:29 PM
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4. k/r
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:34 PM
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6. you've been here long enough
Did you object just as loudly when Ford, Falwell, or Reggie White died?

I remember far more extreme hatred and rejoicing then than I see now. Now I see some DUers saying "Russert was not all that and a bag of chips" and that is conflated somehow with 'dancing on his grave' or 'grave pi$$ing'.

So I'd like you to link me to something that you are complaining about and also, if you can, to your objections to the grave dancing about Falwell and Ford.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:18 PM
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23. check your inbox
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:19 AM
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38. You don't have to look far to find Russert being called evil or a traitor.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:34 PM
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7. Bullshit
don't you fucking DARE use Andy's name in conjunction with that Sell Out Right Wing Media Whore windbag Russert..

You are the one Defaming my Friend Andy by doing so..

You want to bitch, go nuts, but don't Drag Andy into it..

Does Not Apply HERE.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:37 PM
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12. i can and i did. i'm sorry if that upsets you...
but i stand by my comments.

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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:44 PM
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15. Im alerting then
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 12:51 PM by symbolman
that's bullshit and you should be ashamed, there's no reason on earth to bring Andy's name up AT ALL..

I think I've only alerted about Four Times in Seven years here, but the use of his name is beyond the Pale.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:51 PM
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17. no reason to you. again - I'm sorry if that upsets you but I think the comparison is noteworthy...
in that they both died, and people were hateful towards them in the immediate aftermath. I would think you, of all people, would understand this. You know what those fuckers did to your friend after he passed. We all remember. I remember how that made me feel. I remember thinking they were so extreme in their views they couldn't even stop for one, red hot second and just feel bad for the people close to him for their loss. For goodness sakes - the same thing happened to Coretta Scott King. And it also happened here last year when some right winger died.

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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:57 PM
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19. Bullshit
No one HERE was Hateful to Him, you are using Freepers to compare Andy AND the DU..

Maybe Will Pitt might be interested in this thread, he gave the Eulogy, and my Flash work was still on Andy's site long after he died, my flash made in his honor was in Newspapers, as poetry FOR Him.

You have no right, the lowest I've seen in Years right here..

I'm going to alert other members to this.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:35 PM
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8. ha-ha
you are funny!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:36 PM
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9. Devaluing a human being merely for having different political beliefs is pretty childish
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 12:36 PM by slackmaster
:nuke:
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:40 PM
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14. No one is devaluing him "merely for having different political beliefs"
he was a sellout whore to the right wing neocons, hiding behind a mantle of respectability.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:51 PM
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18. In other words, his political views were different from yours
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 12:52 PM by slackmaster
And even here on DU there are plenty of people who disagree with you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3449351&mesg_id=3449351

:hi:
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:09 PM
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21. No. There is plenty of documented evidence of how he was a cheerleader for the
Iraq occupation (which has killed more than a million, and ruined countless lives), how he gave neocons a pass when they came on his show and lied and spouted bullshit, how he was Cheney's go-to guy http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/25/AR2007012501951.html , how he was a shrieking leader of the choruses of "Clinton's Cock! Clinton's Cock!" and "Gore's a Liar! Gore's a Liar!", and on and on.

He and his ilk in the Corporate Propaganda Ministry (what some call the "press") have done untold damage to our republic.

It's past time that people wake up to that fact. Read up a bit.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:14 AM
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34. Another emotionally-based label, an appeal to "isness"
So on one show he seemed to be leaning toward a viewpoint you disagree with. The totality of his entire career means nothing because of one session that bothered you.

Your reaction is childish, just as I posted previously.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:27 PM
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28. No he was a
sell out to the neocons.

Not a different opinion. A dangerous fucking opinion.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:12 AM
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33. Slapping an emotionally-based label on him means diddly squat
:hi:
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:37 PM
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11. There has been very, VERY little grave-pissing here.
what's pathetic, childish and primitive is 1)that so many people here think that those who die must be deified,

and 2) that people are too stoopid to understand that non-deification does NOT equal "grave pissing".

OY.


and then there's the stoopid concept that "if someone pisses off both left and right, that means they are fair and balanced."

ACK.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:26 PM
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26. "if someone pisses off both left and right, that means they are fair and balanced"
Exactly. Thanks for pointing that out. That postulation has a much validity as deeming the right wing, corporate owned/managed media as "liberal."
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:28 PM
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29. i'm just not seeing the deification, Kath.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:39 PM
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13. Apple, meet radioactive orange flavored crab cakes
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:10 PM
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22. Well I think it's the same crowd frankly.
Most of the DUers I respect and many of the old timers are not participating.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:24 PM
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24. What a crock of crap
I mean really.

Why would you go to a rightwing site when a liberal was killed? of course they hated him.

I will not make a saint out of Russert.

I haven't seen any posts yet on the DU where anyone said something really mean. I have read objective critisism but nothing like what RW'ers say about ME AND YOU on a daily basis. I have read a lot of posts from people who want to make the guy into some icon of journalism. He was another right wing slanted hack who should have tried to expose the war crimes of the Bush Administration. He did not.

Now add me to your ignore list.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:26 PM
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27. I dont have an ignore list. that's kooky. n/t
:P
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:30 PM
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31. I'm an extremist kook
but I don't care to kick the dead.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:53 PM
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32. Sorry, but you can NOT compare a rethug like Russert to other true dems.
:eyes:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:15 AM
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35. It's more than a whiff. It's a strangling stench.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 09:23 AM
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39. The same people who mock Fred Phelps and his ilk...
Do the same to others and then try to rationalize their behavior.

Tim Russert was a fundamentally decent man and a professional journalist. I don't care if you didn't like the way he did his job sometimes.

Show some class and some respect.
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