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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:47 PM
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WEXLER LIES!! wexlerwantshearings.com is now a deception!
They changed the page after 235,000 people signed the Cheney petition.

It gives the false impression that 235,000 people ptitioned for Bush impeachment investigations. That is a LIE!!

Do you want a Bush hearings petition? I sure do.

I also want my name removed from the Cheney petition unless the deception is corrected!

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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:52 PM
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1. this could be damaging. Did you write to the designers?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:54 PM
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3. The domain does not post an e-mail address, but they will accept money!!
Is this just a scheme to raise money?
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:27 PM
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17. (edited) I found the contact page for their site
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 02:33 PM by crikkett
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:52 PM
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2. Here is the link and a screen capture of the original page:
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. that link/page looks the same as the one now...what's the difference? n/t
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:05 PM
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6. It adds Bush to the mix?
Now it says "Join Congressman Wexler's Call for Bush and Cheney Impeachment Hearings"

I don't see a problem with that... Wexler's one of the good guys... He's always speaking up against these guys. I interviewed him about electronic voting machines; he's been an advocate against the electronic voting machines.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. Now, it gives the impression 235,000 people petitioned to investigate Bush
They did not!! They petitioned to investigate Cheney.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:22 PM
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16. Yes, you're right. It appears that the Cheney petition seems to be attached to Bush now.
And you're right, it does appear to deceptive.

I'm not thrilled with that but not outraged.

At this link you can contact the campaign (the campaign is paying for the petition) It'towards the bottom of the page.

http://www.wexlerforcongress.com/index.asp
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:54 PM
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4. It may just be a stupid mistake? n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:08 PM
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7. That does not change the deception in the least.
If you want to impeach LIARS, don't lie in the process!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:17 PM
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11. If it's a mistake, it can be corrected without assigning
some kind of malignant motive. Have you tried?
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:18 PM
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12. Is there a problem investigating Bush, too?
They're both complicit. Is it more important to only investigate Cheney? Is it possible that adding Bush to the mix will get more people signing the petition? I understand your point, but I say pick your battles. Wexler's one of the good guys. He's a little haphazard at times, but he fights for the right things.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:55 PM
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24. The idea was to target Cheney first, for obvious reasons. n/t
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VeraAgnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:14 PM
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9. Obama needs to dump this self-serving
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 02:17 PM by VeraAgnes
political ambulance chaser.:mad: Time for some rapid damage control. Good time since the media is in mourning.

Coyote, you sure do pay attention to the details. Thank you!
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:18 PM
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13. Just what we need, another knee-JERK reactionary!
:eyes:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:19 PM
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14. Obama is a safe distance away from this. n/t
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:21 PM
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15. He's not SAFE from anything... and if SAFE from this means anything?
It's because he is a coward!!! :grr:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:30 PM
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18. Now re-read two posts up, and notice the box Dems are trying to put him in.
What's wrong with you people? Can't we just have a single, common agenda until November? How many more times do selfish, single-issue voters have to blackmail their own party with their pet cause?

I know that pisses you off to no end, but NOBODY here thinks the Bush regime should get a pass. We have a better chance convicting them after they leave - BUT ONLY WITH A DEM IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Get it? Read between the lines and trust our leadership. They've sent us several signals if you look for them.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:07 PM
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29. WTF are you talking about? Did you mistake me for a Rethug?!
:wtf:

GET A CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :grr:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:58 PM
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41. You said Obama was a coward.
and I responded appropriately.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #18
32. "Get it?"
Oh, I get you alright.

Sound just like my super-authoritarian parents.

You got that demeaning language from them???
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 04:05 PM
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44. Maybe if you ham-fisted pots and pans clangers would just be patient
and LISTEN, you wouldn't have people asking that.

If that touched a nerve, and a certain tone played in your head when you read it, I can't really help that.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 04:18 PM
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45. ah, yes.... you make us really LOOOOOVE obama....
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 04:19 PM by bobbolink
I'm sure he would be pleased for you to represent him this way.

I'm so glad you have that little red "x"... I'll make good use of it, thank you.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #9
21. you're calling wexler a "political ambulance chaser?"
what the fuck are you talking about????
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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:53 PM
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22. You cannot be serious
That's just slander. You would call Rep. Wexler a self-serving political ambulance chaser based on ONE FUCKING THING that some guy says on a political message board?

He isn't. If he was, he would have been "uncloaked" long ago. In the 10 years that he's been my Representative, I haven't agreed with him on every issue, but on every issue, he typifies an honest, truly representative approach to the issue. He actually REPRESENTS his constituents.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:24 PM
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33. I envy you having Wexler! Wish I was so blessed...
Maybe that clown with the authoritarian language would like to have my rep instead... Tancredo...?

:puke:

Excellent points, kd!

:hug:
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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:41 PM
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37. EWWWWW... Tancredo
My condolences, Bobbolink!! :hug:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-15-08 02:02 PM
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46. Ewwww is right. I'm still trying to find the "silver lining" in that one.
THanks for the condolences.

However, what I keep telling folks here is that only means we have to get LOTS of mail to him. Jam his office with people for important votes. MAKE him hear us!

I'd like to at least *try* that approach, and see what happens.

:loveya:
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:16 PM
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10. Oh, fuck... another alarmist...
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 02:17 PM by Breeze54
:wtf: are you talking about!?!

I don't understand your outrage except that it comes at an opportune time.

:wtf: ???

PLEASE explain because I can't wrap my head around this today

and your explanations have fallen short, thus far.

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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:47 PM
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19. You are ridiculous
To look at something like this and then scream "Wexler Lies!!!!"... pretty absurd my friend. I wonder what your agenda is?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:54 PM
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23. Truth in all things is my agenda! Especially when my name is attached to it!!
Don't be f**king with my good name, damnit!!

Not to mention, I want to be the first to sign the BUSH petition!!!!
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:05 PM
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28. Sure you do
You want to impeach Bush and Cheney and you get your knickers in a twist over this? Yeah, right.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:16 PM
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30. Damn right. I promoted this petition like noone else!
And I brought a lot of names to the list. It is a matter of integrity!!

You don't have people sign a political petition, then change it afterwards!!

IMPEACH Cheney NOW! Contact your friends = 7 x 7 x 7 .... SIGN the online petition.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2480819

**** Official 100,000 signatures on Call for IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS petition thread ****
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2498964

**** Official Wexler's Call for Cheney IMPEACHMENT Hearings = 200,000 Signatures Thread ****
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2705769
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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:47 PM
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20. So you think that Rep. Wexler sits there and creates his own website
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 02:47 PM by kdmorris
That's pretty handy. Maybe one of the web designers just changed the title? Maybe something else has happened that was a MISTAKE? Maybe someone should let them know that a mistake has been made rather than post this inflammatory bullshit.

A lie is a DELIBERATE attempt to deceive. You have no proof that this was DELIBERATE on Rep. Robert Wexler's part.

Oh, and in the 10 years that I have been a constituent of Wexler, I've always thought he was honest and fair, so I take offense to you trying to paint the one person who has tried to do away with Black Box voting, one of the few that has tried to impeach this administrations for their abuses of power, and the ONLY one of my representatives (neither of my Senators is worth a shit) who ever even listens to me as a LIAR... In big fucking letters, no less.

Calm the fuck down already and try letting Rep. Wexler know instead of assuming that he LIES.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:01 PM
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27. They were informed and have not responded or reverted the page.
Why do you assume to know my actions, or lack of actions?
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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:20 PM
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31. LOL
Is that supposed to be an attempt at a logical response? You posted WEXLER LIES, which is a huge overreaction to what has happened.

They added "and Bush" to a survey that was originally about Cheney. That needs to be rectified, but you have no cause to assassinate the character of a person because of something so minor. Wexler didn't lie. Someone added "and Bush" to a survey. As I said before (and you didn't respond to) a LIE is a DELIBERATE attempt to deceive, which you have no proof Wexler has done.

What EXACTLY is your reason for doing this, then? What EXACTLY do you hope to accomplish? Because it seems to me that this is just an attempt to discredit Wexler and all of the good work he has done.


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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:28 PM
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34. L. Coyote is a huge stickler for facts
And this is to be admired.

Changing the intent of the petition, even though I'm sure Wexler means well, is deceptive - intentional or not.
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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:37 PM
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36. I'm well aware of what L. Coyote is
Thanks for chiming in, though.
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 04:02 PM
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42. Great! Then you know how much invaluable research he's done here
L. Coyote's done some incredible work and I'm glad he's here.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 02:59 PM
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25. I wrote him to let him know what's up...
Let's see what happens - personally I think it is just an oversight
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:00 PM
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26. Oops! You jumped the gun:
Impeachment Update/McClellan's Revelations

(snip)

"Your commitment to accountability for the Bush/Cheney Administration, and the support of 230,000 other Americans who signed up at wexlerwantshearings.com, has inspired and motivated me in my effort to hold impeachment hearings for Vice President Dick Cheney and Inherent Contempt for Rove and others. During the past months I have been a tireless and dogged advocate of this vitally important cause.

Many of you have written me, asking for an update on where we stand with regards to impeachment hearings. I know most of you believe - as I do - that impeachment hearings for Vice President Cheney – are not only justified, but that it is our constitutional obligation to look into the serious allegations of wrongdoing that have been raised. This is especially true based on the newest revelations from Scott McClellan."

(snip)

http://www.wexlerforcongress.com/news.asp?ItemID=255

_______________

So there you have it. Rep, Wexeler is not trying to deceive anyone - nowhere does it say 230,000 voted for Cheney AND bush's impeachment. Apparently, they want to add Bush to the list, but have not yet finished redesigning the webpage and the petition.


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youknowmenotdlc Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #26
35. L.Coyote and anybody else outraged by this
Why jump the gun and assume a malignant intent without having all the facts?

Furthermore, now that you do have the facts (see post above) will y'all admit you jumped the gun and apologize for smearing Wexler unnecessarily?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:48 PM
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39. This does not change the fact the petition was modified AFTER the signatures
There's only one person's name as the petition sponsor, Wexler!
There's only one person getting the money from the website, Wexler!

Hence, there's only one person to hold to account, Wexler!
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Carnea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:45 PM
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38. I see the Democratic Circular Firing Squad is up and ready or this Election Season.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 03:55 PM
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40. Truth is not a partisan issue.
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Carnea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 04:02 PM
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43. I'm not just talking about you. But I'm sure someone on Bob's staff did this and they will fix it.
I constantly harp on progressives that feel lying for the greater good is okay. I just don't think thats the case here.
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