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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:48 PM
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No sexism left in industry, nope, none at all
“We urge everyone to come along to the event, celebrate our world class capabilities and put the UK electronics industry back on the map,” added Simon Payne. “The event is far more than a showcase of products and services, it is a major networking opportunity, a place to interact face-to-face and cross-fertilise with peers in the industry.”

The XJTAG girls will be welcoming visitors to this inaugural event. The XJTAG team will be on stand C61.



Photo caption: XJTAG’s international models Gemma Massey and Laurena Lacey will be welcoming visitors to National Electronics Week at Earls Court (17-19 June).
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:51 PM
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1. has this been sent to the Ms. magazine "no comment" section?
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:01 PM
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3. Not that I know of. It was reported on a mailing list I sub to
I'm sure you could do it if you want to
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 01:53 PM
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2. well, it IS the electronics industry...
and I have to admit it sort of caused a spark...

:)

But yes, very tacky. Almost as bad as the old Rigid Tools calendars. I still can't take then seriously. Nothing but Craftsman or B&D for me! I wouldn't have a Rigid tool if you gave it to me.
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:02 PM
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4. I've never seen anything from Rigid but their trucks, which are innocuous
But their advertizing is made for the benefit of oinkers, eh?
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:19 AM
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65. Don't think they still use the babes
http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/About-Ridge-Tool/

Used to have calendars with women in hard hats and little else holding wrenches, drills, etc.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:35 PM
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15. I wouldn't have a Rigid tool if you gave it to me.?
They do make a pill for that you know.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:11 PM
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33. Got that new B&D calendar?
Ohhhh, Black & Decker. Sorry, I thought you meant something else. :D

And you know, I'm sure, that the Rigid Tool Company got its name because it was an extension of the Rigid Pipe Company.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:03 PM
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5. I'm sorry...how is this sexist?
:shrug:
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:06 PM
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6. Well it implies that Sexy Women make good Electronics Engineers
So obviously . . . wait . . . I might be missing the point.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 06:04 PM
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48. No, it doesn't. It implies that no women ARE electronics engineers.
Least of all these women, who are obviously there only to sell to men.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:28 AM
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69. Exactly
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:09 PM
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8. The event's big feature is eye candy for men
so I must assume there aren't any heterosexual women who are electrical engineers. Or at least they're assuming that. Or they know that isn't the case but they made their big feature eye candy for the men anyway because women engineers are irrelevant or something and this is more important.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:48 PM
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21. Oh come on now, I'm sure they'll invite those ladies to hang with them at the strip club afterwards
:sarcasm:
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:07 PM
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27. there aren't (m)any heterosexual women who are electrical engineers
Pretty much true. I work for a major electronics corporation and there just not that many female engineers. And it's not for lack of trying; the company has programs ranging from recruitment incentives to scholarships to try to woo engineers-any engineers--but generally speaking it is just not a field that attracts a lot of women.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 06:07 PM
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49. And the sexist atmosphere -- and the obliviousness to these issues even on
the part of non-offenders -- is part of the reason.

My daughter chose a different engineering major (where she's doing work that overlaps with EE and physics) in part because of the pervasiveness of the negative attitude toward women in the EE field.
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 12:57 PM
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77. There are in Silicon Valley.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:12 PM
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52. How do you know?
These ladies could very well be electrical engineers. After all, Denise Richards played a nuclear physicist in a James Bond flick once. And she wore very skimpy outfits. So it could happen.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:13 PM
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For one thing it's assuming that all of the visitors will be male.
Most women would be turned off these greeters. Where are the cute guys dressed up in skimpy clothes?

For another, it's using women's sexuality to sell a product to men. Which is ubiquitous, of course.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:29 PM
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13. I dunno...maybe they have done market research that tells them that the majority of buyers are..
...horny males...??

Sex sells. Is this news to you?

"Sex sells" does NOT automatically equate to sexism...or are you suggesting that the company is ACTUALLY saying that women are only good for looking at and have no brains to actually create/manufacture/use the products they are advertising?

No, I don't think so...I think they are saying "HEY!!! LOOK AT MY ARSE!!! - oh, and while you're here, check out what's for sale"....
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:08 PM
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29. Actually the notion that "sex sells" has been demonstrated to be false in many cases
My degree is in marketing and in various projects I studied many types of advertising and which ones were successful. Sexy models tend to increase sales in certain segments, obvious ones being personal grooming products. But there has been a tendency to over-use attractive women (and now men) to such an extent that it's not really as effective as you might think. When you remember the "hot babe" in the ad or promotion, but not the product she's selling, then it hasn't succeeded.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:10 PM
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31. Either way you show me a plunging neckline or an acre and a half ot tanned toned inner thigh....
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 03:11 PM by truebrit71
...you could be selling suppositories, you will have my FULL attention....


;-)
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:12 PM
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34. Doesn't mean you're going to buy the suppositories.
Unless you really are that easily led by your libido.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:17 PM
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37. ...no but the next time I had a pain in the arse that wasn't caused by the wife I would know which..
..product to use...;-)
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 05:57 PM
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43. And for a woman techie to walk in there and see other women dressed up
like that is demeaning.
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galledgoblin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 06:03 PM
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47. no... no she wouldn't
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Carnea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:12 PM
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35. Then why do trade shows by and for woman use them as well?
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 03:14 PM by Carnea
see my post below for details
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Spooky_D Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:06 PM
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7. "What's wrong with being sexy?" - Nigel Tufnel
N/T
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:13 PM
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11. Depends on who you are appealing to. Appeal to men, it sexism, appeal to women and it's
"Sex in the City."
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:51 PM
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22. Right. Because one "Sex in the City" cancels out the ubiquitous T and A imagery aimed at men.
It's totally equal now. :sarcasm:
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:01 PM
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24. Is "Sex in the City" sexism?
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 03:39 PM by Mountainman
Seems to me sexism appeals to and exists on both sides. Being attracted to sexual imagery is a part of the procreation drive IMHO. That's why it captures your attention like it does. I would think that you were dysfunctional if it didn't capture your attention.

In a department store, in a mall I was at, that caters to young women, there was a male model greeter at the door in a pair of jeans and nothing else. Works both ways doesn't it?
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:03 PM
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26. I don't watch it, so I don't know. You brought it up and attempted to make an equivalence. nt
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:09 PM
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30. I edited my post to add more ideas.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:24 PM
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41. In a pair of genes? You mean a pair of chromosomes, don't you?
XY in his case.
And why wasn't he arrested for Public Indecency if all he had on was genes???

(((SPIT TAKE))))
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:37 PM
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42. My bad I can't spell did you get the original idea?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:31 AM
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70. Remember that Nigel asked that while being wholly ignorant of context/meaning
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Spooky_D Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 12:47 PM
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76. Aye, that's where the joke lies....
:)
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:11 PM
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9. I still have no idea what XJTAG is...
but for some reason, i feel an unexplainable urge to buy one.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:12 PM
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10. No, and there's none left anywhere in America, except the harmless type, you know.
Police ID Body of Missing Reno Coed
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330890,00.html

University of North Texas missing alumna found dead
http://www.kntu.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1605&Itemid=96

Officials: Hiker was alive for days; suspect now faces murder charge
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/08/georgia.hiker/index.html

Drew Peterson Talks About Wife's Disappearance, Grief on FOX News
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,325685,00.html
Drew Peterson's 3rd Wife Murdered by Drowning, New Autopsy Reveals
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331816,00.html
Drew Peterson wants to start dating again
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/22821093/
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:33 PM
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14. don't forget (not that you aren't already spoiled for choice!)
Darrell David Rice, age 34, has already been in jail since 1998 because he pleaded guilty to a charge of attempted abduction of another woman in the Shenandoah National Park. The hate crime legislation has been called into use because he allegedly told officials that he deliberately targeted women for harassment and assault because "they are more vulnerable than men."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3693/is_200205/ai_n9033669
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:52 PM
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23. I was getting ill googling for links.
There was a dismembered girlfriend in Houston who was grilled, a pregnant woman found dead in a field her boyfriend showed to cops, missing joggers and little girls and wives and girlfriends all over. Men own women and can dispose of them when they are through, but it's harmless according to a lot of posters. Just good clean fun, nowhere near as dangerous as racism or homophobia. How dare the PC scaredy cat society complain about sexual harassment and stuff, you know!
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 06:09 PM
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50. I know the feeling!
What makes it especially sickening (to me) is to realize that the boys defending their ignorance, immaturity, and sexism are in some cases the *grandsons* of those who were immature sexist a-holes back when I first realized what was going on. Evidence of male parthenogenesis?
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Sundoggy Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:15 PM
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12. Sexy does not equal sexism, for the four millionth time
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 02:15 PM by Sundoggy
But thanks for the post. Better than coffee.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:35 PM
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16. Of course it doesn't...exploiting women is an entirely different matter.
:eyes:
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Carnea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:42 PM
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19. I am at a loss check calander yup 21st century.....
Again how is this exploitation?????
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 05:59 PM
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44. Having sexy posters up at a workplace has been acknowledged as a form
of sexual harrassment. So why wouldn't real live poster girls also be?
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:34 AM
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Selective beliefs: many prefer to think that if one enjoys or is ignorant of their exploitation...
...than it isn't actually exploitation. Not so ... it's a similar attitude toward the poor and homeless: they must secretly enjoy living on the street, so what's the problem?
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:38 PM
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17. If you hate that, you're gonna LOVE the gaming conventions. n/t
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Carnea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:38 PM
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18. There booth babes, When I do a convention I also Hire booth babes.
What is wrong with booth babes???????

It is Marketing 101. Honestly people don't want to look at me. Thats why you hire salesgirl to hold up your product.

I find the attacks by a certain type of woman against other certain type woman to be sexist.

Honestly a lot of feminists are not happy unless everyone else is not happy... per my sig line.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:02 PM
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25. What are you selling?
Because unless you are selling something specifically geared to men (and by that I mean something like male enhancement pills) you are deliberately ignoring and possibly offending half your potential consumer base. Women make the majority of household purchases, and more often than not, are the decision makers. And yes, women buy cars, boats, hi tech items, and tools. Those "babes" may drive horny guys to your booth but I bet the vast majority of them don't end up buying anything.
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Carnea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:11 PM
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32. Um booth babes are hired all the time to sell products to woman.
Here is a show (and industry) I hired booth babes for in 2003 http://www.ibsnewyork.com/ibsnewyork/v42/index.cvn

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/ibsny08-preview/

http://newyork.backpage.com/Auditions/models_wanted_for_the_international_beauty_show_new_york_pays_200_400_per_day/classifieds/ViewAd?oid=3270807

Almost 100% female (and gay male) clientele and yet we hired booth babes to sell our products.

Shocking
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:21 PM
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38. Of course. It's beauty products. That's why I asked you what you sold.
It makes sense to use attractive women to sell personal grooming items to women. It doesn't necessarily make sense to use sexy models to sell tools or software. When I see "Booth Babes" hawking items that have nothing directly to do with appearance I conclude that the marketers have no imagination and also that their product or service might leave a lot to be desired. Not to mention that many of their potential customers are going to be offended. Believe it or not, even dour humorless feminists have money. And you can't always tell who we are by looking at us.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 06:01 PM
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45. The "booth babes" that sell products to other women are not dressed
like these women. Not in any place that I've been.
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Carnea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:35 PM
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54. No this is true.. THough some are awfully close.
But you still hire models to decorate your sales area. You simply dress them for the product. (And in fairness there is the occasional use of male models as well)

The objection I assume is the use of woman to help sell your product not the fact these woman happen to be so particularly adept at it
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 01:19 PM
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79. I would imagine that if one's product is good enough
I would imagine that if one's product is good enough, it would sell without the T&A incentive.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 02:46 PM
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20. "face-to-face and cross-fertilise"???
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 02:50 PM by TahitiNut
Kewl! I've never been a "doggy-style" cross-fertiliser. :dunce: :silly:


(FWIW ... for those confused ... the objectification of human beings is morally wrong, no matter what you call it.)
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:07 PM
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28. Strohs beer got sued for Sexual Harassment because
Of their Swedish Bikini Team ads.


In 1991, the Center for Science in the Public Interest pronounced the ad "unfair, misleading and irresponsible." Female employees of the Stroh's Brewery (now Pabst) filed a lawsuit against their employers stating that their ads (which portrayed women as "giggling, jiggling idiots who have large breasts and small minds") helped foster a work environment that encouraged sexual harassment.


http://www.tvacres.com/sex_news_swedish.htm

Those lawsuits have diminished considerably do to what Lawyers call the Lewinsky Defense, but for most of the 80's and 90's they were daily headlines. One Attorney in Minnesota made a nice living filing these suits. It has been said that she never had to go to court because the companies would usually settle.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:13 PM
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36. They should have been sued for their shiite beer instead...and leave the bikini team to me...
... :evilgrin:
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:14 PM
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53. Fucker!
You stole my post!

Strohs was really shitty beer. They still make it?
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:21 PM
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39. Lemme guess...the women who sued were not actually ON
the Swedish Bikini Team.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 06:03 PM
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46. No. But the images at work contributed to an atmosphere that
was demeaning and uncomfortable to other female employees.

Sexual Harassment law 101.
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Carnea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:39 PM
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55. And created easy money lawsuits instead of correcting real harassment issues
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 07:42 PM by Carnea
somewhat lazy (though understandably efficient) Lawyer rule 101
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:28 PM
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57. They were part of real harassment issues.
Ask any woman who has been part of that kind of workplace.
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Carnea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:40 PM
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60. IMHO they were low hanging fruit that gave EEOC issues a bad name for years
to come. Again my humble opinion.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:49 PM
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62. As a guy, right?
Like I said, ask the women.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 03:23 PM
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40. What? Someone in America is using SEX to sell something?!
You'd better get a press release out on this.

Using sex to sell is not the same thing as sexism, FYI.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 06:57 PM
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51. I have more of a problem with this than hardcore porn. (I actually have no problem with porn)
Fantasy is for jacking off not industry bonding. This is unprofessional. How many drunk fucks are going to say to their coworkers: God Mary I wish you looked like that!!! Why are all the real "girl" electrical engineers dogs like you???? Or worse "Aw, don't be pissed! You're as hot as they are. If you dressed like that you'd get our attention too!"

Yes, I'm making these examples up, but it's nothing I haven't heard before in similar contexts.



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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:31 PM
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58. Exactly. And how many of these male techies -- the straight ones, anyway --
would like a friendly greeting by men in comparable attire?
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:37 PM
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59. It's not really comparable because they're with their buddies and can laugh it off.
A better example might be living in an all gay world where gays and lesbians have power and being forced to stick a 5 in the speedo of a go-go boy and a group of co-workers or boss saying "Can you imagine Marty's bitty dick in those speedos?" And another saying "I try not to!" And then everyone cracking up and Marty waiting and hoping they'll get back to the topic of electrical engineering. Then one says "We're just joking with you Marty...You know we love you."
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 08:48 PM
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61. Did you see the article in the NYTimes a couple weeks ago about women
in scientific and tech fields? At least they're recognizing the problem, but it is discouraging that sexism is still so rampant.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 09:19 PM
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63. Honestly, I think it's something that is best stopped by other men. Not all of them like it.
Ending homophobia is really going to help. Men will be able to say "George is an asshole for what he said to Nadine and I don't think that shit is excusable." Instead of calling him a fag, which will have no power, they might argue a little, hang their head and maybe next year the guys will say "I'm not so sure about going to that thing with the titty girls. Obviouslly not all the guys here can handle it..." It's a start.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:26 AM
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68. and maybe the sun will come up in the west
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:40 AM
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72. Much like the totalitarian aspects of our democracy: so numerous it's overlooked...
...it becomes woven into the fabric of the corporate culture, taken for granted, and worse yet, over the course of time, many of these unquestioned, diminished qualities become the new exalted norm. {What's the problem? :shrug: }

"The monumentalism of fascism would seem to be a safety mechanism against the bewildering multiplicity of the living. The more lifeless, regimented, and monumental reality appears to be, the more secure the men feel. The danger is being alive itself." ~ Klaus Theweleit, Male Fantasies
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Carnea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 07:53 PM
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56. No offense but this ad has actually gotten me interested in the fact
Edited on Tue Jun-17-08 07:54 PM by Carnea
that Curtiss-Wright selected XJTAG system to improve, debug and test thier radar, video and graphics products. Good job girls another win for Britain.

And now for something completely different Graphical Circuit Interaction
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-17-08 11:01 PM
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64. I was going to point out some of the plethora of fallacies and asinine assumptions,
but then I noticed you are from FloriDuh. Don't worry, we liberals are always ready to make allowances for the developmentally challenged.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:25 AM
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66. you said "plethora!"
:silly: snicker :evilgrin:

(there's a story behind that, if it makes no sense whatsoever to you)
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El Pinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:25 AM
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67. Thank you for posting this.
:):):):):):):):)


What's good for the goose is good for the gander. They should have some half-naked hunks for the the folks who are into that to look at as well...
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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 07:34 AM
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71. Insecure much?
:eyes:
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 09:55 AM
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73. Insecure?? (nt)
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 12:02 PM
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74. The company ditched the page, but anyone who wants to see more of the "girls"
can find them at http://www.purestorm.com/profile.aspx?id=sion
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 12:07 PM
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75. There was a "news segment" on M$NBC this morning featuring Mario Lopez
either nude (properly pixelated, of course,) or scantily-clad recreating People magazines memorable "pin up" poses over the years. The two 40-something female hosts were tittering like school girls.

I'm sure that's different somehow, of course...
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-18-08 01:10 PM
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78. Men attending these functions should be offended as well
It implies they are losers that only qualify for paid escorts. Unless they fit that description, I suppose.

As a technical woman attending some of these events, let me just say how sexist and degrading this is. You are either confused with these sex peddlers, and therefore incapable of comprehending technology, or you aren't female enough. It is just another way men like to maintain control over business and it is complete crap.
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