OK how is this new FISA bill "Change We Can Believe In"

Bandit

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Sat Jun-21-08 10:47 AM
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OK how is this new FISA bill "Change We Can Believe In"

In fact can anyone give me an example of anything Congress has done that could resemble "Change We Can Believe In"?

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ixion

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Sat Jun-21-08 10:50 AM
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1. It's nothing we can believe in. It's unconstitutional trash, and nothing more

and Obama's pathetic response is status quo politics as usual that tells me that NOTHING will be restored if he happens to beat the odds and get elected.

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ananda

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Sat Jun-21-08 10:55 AM
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4. Obama needs to..

.. get behind Feingold on FISA.

Period.

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Randypiper

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Sat Jun-21-08 12:05 PM
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14. He needs to get in front of Feingold on FISA to be a leader

My Senators Casey and Specter both claim they are against immunity, but both will vote for the bill with immunty in it like last time. This is how senators are trying to be on both sides like Obama's doing now. I'm sure Hoyer passed this bill by Obama before there was a vote in the house, He will be the Democratic leader, and that was when he could have worked to change it. Now he has to fight to change it and it doesn't sound like he going to to me. We'll see.

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chimpymustgo

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Sat Jun-21-08 10:50 AM
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2. Or anything our presumtive nominee has actually fought for that counted?

Sorry - this is just the last straw. I've been skeptical, but trying desperately to get my heart in this. But I'm not going to taken for a fool. Drink the Koolaid, write the check and shut up!

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SammyWinstonJack

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Sat Jun-21-08 10:52 AM
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3. "Drink the Koolaid, write the check and shut up!" Ah yea, that seems too be the sum of it.

And no thanks! :puke:

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tabatha

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Sat Jun-21-08 11:01 AM
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5. Did you read his full statement?

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MrCoffee

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Sat Jun-21-08 11:21 AM
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12. Yes, did you?

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jimshoes

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Sat Jun-21-08 11:05 AM
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6. All I could do yesterday was

shake my head. Absolutely not the kind of change I was hoping for.

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Echo In Light

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Sat Jun-21-08 11:07 AM
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7. That's because a central part of a politician's job is to lie

T'was ever thus.

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SammyWinstonJack

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Sat Jun-21-08 11:09 AM
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8. Lie to get elected and lie some more to get re-elected and in between

cave in to the cash cow...erhm...lobbyists.

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Echo In Light

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Sat Jun-21-08 11:12 AM
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9. The question remains: why do millions of people continually but into the bullshit?

Never underestimate the power of denial.

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griffi94

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Sat Jun-21-08 11:15 AM
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10. denial

and the argument that "our guys" are better than "their guys".
while that may be true to some degree, it's getting harder to tell "our guys" from "their guys"
i realize compromise is part of politics but imho you can't compromise constitutional rights.

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SammyWinstonJack

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Sat Jun-21-08 05:25 PM
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16. Denial not so much as delusion.

:shrug:

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slipslidingaway

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Sat Jun-21-08 11:19 AM
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11. Kick n/t

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dana_b

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Sat Jun-21-08 11:26 AM
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13. I am going to wait and see how he actually votes on this

I know that he said that he would but maybe with enough of us bitching, he'll think twice. If he does vote for it, well, then I guess he doesn't want my money.

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TheWatcher

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Sat Jun-21-08 12:40 PM
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15. No, But it's "Business As Usual You Can Count On"

Edited on Sat Jun-21-08 12:40 PM by TheWatcher

As it has always been.

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